Here are new statements from Kirk lenke regarding NC3 (in german). But what about NC2CE?
"dears, it will probably remain a dream. We had financing on paper, but, however, investors turned out to be a joke.
All work on the prototype, with already functioning and Unreal Mission System Tech was stopped and I doubt that it can start again, because there's just no money." (my translation)
Thread: Kirk has no hope for NC 3
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09-12-15, 12:58 #1freedom for neocron!
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Kirk has no hope for NC 3
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09-12-15, 15:39 #2Xpertz
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I cant see FB at work.
Can you transcribe or just cut and paste it? Its good that you have posted it but it is pretty monumental for the community and I can see this thread either getting a load of "well thats that then" style replies or fanboi explosions.
Investors turning out to be a joke worries me the most tbh. I hope kirk has heard of crowdfunding but I really do worry if its not him thats the joke."dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
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09-12-15, 17:29 #3freedom for neocron!
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raw copypaste.
Originally Posted by facebook
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09-12-15, 19:37 #4Registered User
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Dang I can't wait for a translate of that !
If investors aren't signing in then you need to find others.
Investors aren't the issue. It must be Kirk's passion is no more for NC :-/
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09-12-15, 19:59 #5Ein Drom, zwei Drom, Drei Drom
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whats about kickstarter?
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Image 2.png Originally Posted by Fremen
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10-12-15, 00:14 #7freedom for neocron!
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google translate is terrible sometimes Originally Posted by hudsonbeck
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10-12-15, 01:00 #8Bitter Veteran
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This is not good but can't say I'm shocked. Kirk has been quiet for a while.
As for crowd funding I think that comes with its own pitfalls. Not every game that gets backed on kickstarter gets made or gets made to the standard promised. Let's be honest and look at some harsh truths, the population that play is low how many serious backers can we get? A new MMO costs millions and who here can tell me they have that stashed down their couch?
Is it any wonder that investors have bailed or have no interest?
You are essentially saying " Hey back this game which never made it as a huge commercial success before, that has a diminishing community, has to compete with other MMO's in an increasing saturated market and has ties to a name that has terrible reviews associated with it. Investment opportunity of the year!"
Truth.
Have more luck creating an entirely new I.P. We all love neocron here but it has an image problem and some serious baggage. We are stuck at an impasse. Can't get a new neocron and current neocron is practically retro, yet we still get these modern hipsters to play it
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10-12-15, 06:40 #9Order of the Black Flame
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It is terrible, who ever translated mine (probably google too) said the investors "have a blender" rather than "have emerged as blender". Originally Posted by Torg
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10-12-15, 15:35 #10Registered User
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It was pretty bad in this case. I speak no German but travel to DE and CH often from the US and it usually gets me by. I just hate when I go to a restaurant and no one speaks English and I have no cellular service! I just point at something and its always good.
I mostly posted the screenshot for the pics for William
We can always hope one of us hits the big lottery... I know if I did, I would look into resurrecting NC.
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10-12-15, 18:19 #11Xpertz
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Indie developers make games on shoestring budgets all the time. If you just changed the name of the game and kept the core mechanics you'd be fine.
Like that pile of shite exile online tried to do.
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10-12-15, 22:45 #12Bitter Veteran
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Very true but Neocron is something quite ambitious if your an indie developer. This isn't your rougelike 32-bit game backed on Kickstarter. Originally Posted by William Antrim
To make neocron 3, or at least a fully fleshed out version that can be a profitable project, you need a studio. You need a host of coders, animators, designers and testers, plus any other thing I've left out. Then you need a lot of time to develop it while making sure everyone gets paid and development is on track.
Then you need to find a way to keep it going. Microtransactions out the arse will do. That's what everyone else will do so you have to compete. Subscriptions wont cut it when you've got loads of free MMO's out there, so you get a cash shop going but you also need to draw in a new crowd.
Advertising out the arse and you will need to pander to your new audience so you will have to change aspects of the game to suit them.
My point is that the neocron we know and love is from a different age. A new Neocron...well get those COD kiddies and microtransactions and that is Neocron 3.Last edited by Hell-demon; 10-12-15 at 23:21.
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10-12-15, 23:29 #13Order of the Black Flame
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fuck no, dont say that hell-demon, we dont need that korean style microtransactions shit!!
say no to cash shops!
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But realistically how would Neocron make it's money? Even Eve online now sells cosmetic skins for ships and cosmetic items for players and that still has the subscription model.
It's just a sign of the times. MMO's need cash shops. A new neocron would have one. What kind of cash shop is the crucial part.
Pay 2 win?
Or pay for conveniance and cosmetics?
The latter is better.
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While there is tons of "Free MMO's" out there, non of them are cyberpunk. This game may never appeal to more than a few thousand (more for than enough to keep the game feeling populated) it all comes down to how big money they want to make. I feel a niche crowd would happily pay a subscription to play an updated Neocron. So if they charged £8.99 for say 5000 people then your pulling in around 500k a year.
The main issue seems the initial investment to get the game up to scratch and advertisement. Hard to estimate that though.
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