[R#186] T#186-T#197 Patch Discussion

**Dasore** · 26-05-14, 13:23

reduce dmg of apu attacks... but what the sense of you even writing here? no nc installed? so you couldnt even test the last mhh 10 patches?

**slith** · 26-05-14, 15:50

Guess who walkmen was fighting against..

**Drachenpaladin** · 26-05-14, 16:45

Originally Posted by slith

Guess who walkmen was fighting against..

Queen Magdalene of Sweden?

**Dasore** · 26-05-14, 17:34

Originally Posted by slith

Guess who walkmen was fighting against..

lol falk, couldnt u turn ur monitor off for that fight... first he was flaming in the tankocron threat, now in here....

Happy Birthday Drachen, wasnt it yesterday?

**Drachenpaladin** · 26-05-14, 17:56

Originally Posted by Dasore

Happy Birthday Drachen, wasnt it yesterday?

Daaaww... yep, thanks but shush, no offtopic in here *cough*

**Kame** · 26-05-14, 22:26

[Edited]

**Dropout** · 27-05-14, 10:59

Originally Posted by walkman

So, your PPU casts on you bad buffs in OP fights, LOL. Because mechanic for PPU and APU spells are same. In next 2-3 secs I may run away, turn on 180 degree and do the same again. And trust me, victim will got all its damage. And actually this is not a bug. This is just prevent spell spuffing/spamming.

Uhm.. Unless something have changed (Im not really a monk-player) on the testserver, this is completely bullshit..
APU's have a reticle - If the reticle is not closed you will do damage, yes.. But the damage you do will be so low that the cast was a waste of time. Not really the same as for PPU's, now is it?

Originally Posted by walkman

There are no cap. That thing in info is just soft cap. When you reached it any adjustment has smaller effect. Read the notes from dev. In another case they are liers.

Some thing do have a cap.. like freq.. Uh yeah, and aim.

Originally Posted by Dasore

lol falk, couldnt u turn ur monitor off for that fight... first he was flaming in the tankocron threat, now in here....

Still wouldnt have been a fair fight

**Massaker** · 29-05-14, 13:43

I really like to see that someone try to fix the last worth balancing and make it more viable for all classes. For instance the APU that lost his right to exist after the remove of the anti shield spells.
Now he got this spells back and the PPU can focus on supporting the players while the APU can focus on damage and debuff the others what make more sence.

What I miss a little bit is the return of the stacks of the Fire Apoc and poison beam. They make instant damage now. I really liked the disadvantages and benefits of the stack damage of this spells in the past. One shot of a Fire Apoc or poison beam made less damage than the instant damage of the Holy Lighting.
But after the third shot the damage was the same and raised if the APU kept to fire on one single target. This was some kind of reward for good aim and skill. So I think this should be back. If you say the Devourer is a powerful weapon that spreads the burning gasoline all over the body of the target and burns heavily why should the Fire Apoc or the poison beam don't do the same?
I mean we have a lot of anti spells for the PPU like the antidote or anti fire and some drugs but they are useless in PVP and are only usefull in the caves. But the Bat Queen for instance put the next poison stack on you while you removed the last stacks with a drug or an antidote spell.
To give this items more importance it will be nice to get the dots for some weapons back again.

Another thing that scares me a little bit is the frequency of some weapons on the test server now. I logged my Tank and tried the CS. OK the frequence is a bit slower than before but the frequence of the rifles is joke (sorry but this is my personal opinion). The First love made now pew...pew... The last balancing project decrease the old burst from four shots to two shots. Who the hell made this and why were the plasma weapons not eaqualized to one kind of burst? A burst of three shots or four shots for the plasma pistols and rilfes will be better and compensate the great stamina consumption that the weapon have now.
So my proposal for the plasma rifles and pistols will be to lower the damage of one burst but increase the frequence again and edit the shots of a single burst. At the end the weapon should do the same damage in a minute with a higher frequence but less damage with a single burst.

Another idea will be to get back to the old burst of Neocron 1. Maybe someone know the old burst frequence of the CS. In other words :-) the burst was pew, pew, pew, pew...(a little break) and then continued. But now it make pew... pew... pew... pew... while holding the mouse button and it sounds monotonous (this is the moment when I'll get sleepy because it's so slow). The first shot should come instantly but after the last shot of the burst there should be a little break.
As it's now on the test server it's like a low speed shooter. The only thing that is fast is the movement and the gatling cannon of the Tank :-P So there should be some changes to the count of shots of a single burst for some weapons (for instance the plasma pistol and rifle).

**Kame** · 29-05-14, 16:06

I've been campaigning for a burst and clip size fixe for weeks now.

Equalize burst based on :

Weapon type (pistol 2, rifles 3, cannons 4)

Or

Weapon familly (plasma 4, laser 4, as it used to be)

Remove the clipsize bonus for rares. Make non rare more viable.

Dissy has 1 more shots than stabber.

CS has 2 more shots than TPC.

**slith** · 30-05-14, 10:00

Originally Posted by Kame

Weapon familly (plasma 4, laser 4, as it used to be)

This! Especially the First Love needs its 4 projectiles per click back.

Originally Posted by Kame

Remove the clipsize bonus for rares. Make non rare more viable.

This!

Originally Posted by Kame

CS has 2 more shots than TPC.

And this is not true, only 1 shot less. Still sucks :P

**Massaker** · 30-05-14, 15:25

Originally Posted by slith

This! Especially the First Love needs its 4 projectiles per click back.

This!

And this is not true, only 1 shot less. Still sucks :P

Sorry its true

The TPC has a clipsize of 32

**Kame** · 30-05-14, 19:02

I pvp a lot lately using Raekwon, my /53 HC tank.

TPC's clip indeed is 32 while CS is 40.

**Kame** · 30-05-14, 20:30

Speaking with Dasore today he mentionned you guys changed the burst shot size on Dissy because it seemed the best way to get damage in line.

WELL DUH GUYS IVE ONLY BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MY LAST 20 POSTS !!!

It irritates me so much the way you guys tell me "we will adjust those later" an then of course you adjust it now because it's the only logical thing to do.

/ rant

You design a weak solution, and just because you get told so you delay the patch progress because youre too stubborn to admit some random guy on forum was right all along.

Now please look at the clip shot size. Now, not later.

**Teal`c** · 31-05-14, 13:50

Originally Posted by Massaker

What I miss a little bit is the return of the stacks of the Fire Apoc and poison beam.

We`ll see synch whoring monks then. Placing some dots towards the enemy and then back to safezone while still doing damage.

Another thing that scares me a little bit is the frequency of some weapons on the test server now.

Agree , some are much slower like liberator or plasma pistols. Either raising the frequency or people getting tired as fast as playing world of warcraft.

Another idea will be to get back to the old burst of Neocron 1. Maybe someone know the old burst frequence of the CS

Its 227.

**Dasore** · 01-06-14, 20:58

Any updates?

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