PE are worth less , Dieing class

[Load]

That is because people arguing about balancing all the time without seeing the current possibilities. There is a way for a PE to get to Desperado without drugs, without WOC PA and with a Protopharm resist chip. Problem is that people don't try hard enough.

If you say the PE is underpowered than you can't say that for all the aspects of the class. You can't even say that for all the settings he is able to use. We have to stop crying and stop putting out generalised phrases and start at the very ground of all problems. And this is the WEAPON BALANCING.
Maybe the Private Eye isn't so wrong with low techlevel weapons doing more damage. Maybe my Desperado setup will become superior with all the things you suggest for the private eye?

you mean buffing then putting in a dex glove? or using nanites instead? i dont really care about what you say or what special setups you have - players shouldnt have to find workarounds to compensate for imbalance

[Kame]

The problem is that viable setups turned to shit overnight with 2.2

Judge PE, HC PE, Mellee PE, low-tech PE, all turned to shit because of yes, weapon balance.

[Doc Holliday]

That is because people arguing about balancing all the time without seeing the current possibilities. There is a way for a PE to get to Desperado without drugs, without WOC PA and with a Protopharm resist chip. Problem is that people don't try hard enough.

If you say the PE is underpowered than you can't say that for all the aspects of the class. You can't even say that for all the settings he is able to use. We have to stop crying and stop putting out generalised phrases and start at the very ground of all problems. And this is the WEAPON BALANCING.
Maybe the Private Eye isn't so wrong with low techlevel weapons doing more damage. Maybe my Desperado setup will become superior with all the things you suggest for the private eye?

Still using blessed def?

[Netphreak]

Using a dex glove to allow you to use a desperado with PPR isn't really what I'd call a far better setup.
I'm sure it's fine if you just so happen to have a PPU strapped to your ass/a zone line away, but that doesn't really give the PE his self sufficient play style back.

[eNTi]

Using a dex glove to allow you to use a desperado with PPR isn't really what I'd call a far better setup.
I'm sure it's fine if you just so happen to have a PPU strapped to your ass/a zone line away, but that doesn't really give the PE his self sufficient play style back.

it also defeats the purpose of having a higher psi pool than 0.

[nabbl]

it also defeats the purpose of having a higher psi pool than 0.

heard of psi resist? ;-)

Absorber and so on are pretty much useless. You have the following problems:

1.) You have 3 shields to cast which last 2 minutes. Your frequency to cast them is relatively low. Casting them can easily need until 10 seconds in which you should not move. Recasting the shields during fight is not recommended since you do not do any damage and your dps will drop by a great amount.

2.) You would be able to use HEAT 1. BUT you have to take 2 drugs and completely gimp your psi skilling because of that. Casting absorber without a drug would not be possible anymore. Casting Spy 1 and Rifle 1 are recommended, but need its time and a lot of PSI to cast.

3.) You have to spend points on PSI USE... which prevent you from getting high accuracy on rifles.

4.) Your shields give up to 10% shield resist. That sounds much but in fact it isn't. Little calcuation: Let's say your armor and skills give you 60% resist in energy. You give yourself an absorber and you land at 64% or something in overall resist. It is 4% more resist which is maybe one hit you will last longer in the end.

5.) Additionally your shields will go down really fast. After a few hits you lose up to 50% in your shield effectivity.

Conclusion: In the end you have so much disadvantages, that the advantages don't cover them at all. Because you can't use the high dex level weapons, you can't use two MC5 chips (because otherwise blessed deflector wouldn't be possible) and you have to put in extra effort to maintain your shields. And in the end you get a four percent resist buff.

I myself... wouldn't do it.

And I don't know why I am telling you that. Every decent PvPer on the server playing a PE knows this...

[eNTi]

And I don't know why I am telling you that. Every decent PvPer on the server playing a PE knows this...

because you are the only one posting this here and it's valuable information? so you say the psi for pe is basically psi resist. well you are probably right even though meeting an apu in pvp who's not already face down in the mud sure must be a rare thing indeed.

as for the skill boosters, they are almost pointless. they giver you VERY little additional damage. the only thing that might be neat is the +hacking. psi on a pe is very gimmicky. tbh right now they could just remove psi from everyone but monks altogether and it wouldn't make too much of a difference

[Doc Holliday]

Interesting points nabbl. i didnt know pe psi shields were that bad that it almost makes them not worth using but then i havent ever tried a pe without them.

[Load]

And I don't know why I am telling you that. Every decent PvPer on the server playing a PE knows this...

your attitude fucking stinks

you have one setup that you like and supposedly its the best thing in neocron since drom rape, literally get over yourself and start contributing properly, i know good setups that use no drugs have high defense and good offense which suit some people and ones that have high offense dont use psi and suit other people no setup is that superior to the other - i remember when you were a scrub running around on terra what makes you think you can justify this attitude ive known colossally better players than you who were always happy to contribute constructively

[Castr0]

I play a PE and it's not worthless. I really like him.

I've done some duels last night and I won all my 1v1 fights. (against APU, spy and tank)
The people I fought are good players to me.
My PE is also good in OPwar where I bring him a lot at the moment (more than my spy for exemple).

The only problem on PE atm is you need WoC to get access to good weapon. I tried TSU rifle or TT rifle, it's not good. I also tried PE and TL92 pulselaser pistol which are not better. As far as I remember, judge and ray of god are not good.

To me, PE is really not a diing class if you have WoC (took me 2 days to WoC my PE (starting from 80 dext) <-- no exploit needed of course).

Non-WoC weapon need a boost though (PE, judge, etc ...)

[Netphreak]

I play a PE and it's not worthless. I really like him.

I've done some duels last night and I won all my 1v1 fights. (against APU, spy and tank)
The people I fought are good players to me.
My PE is also good in OPwar where I bring him a lot at the moment (more than my spy for exemple).

The only problem on PE atm is you need WoC to get access to good weapon. I tried TSU rifle or TT rifle, it's not good. I also tried PE and TL92 pulselaser pistol which are not better. As far as I remember, judge and ray of god are not good.

To me, PE is really not a diing class if you have WoC (took me 2 days to WoC my PE (starting from 80 dext) <-- no exploit needed of course).

Non-WoC weapon need a boost though (PE, judge, etc ...)

Sounds like you must be using one of the few decent weapons a PE can use ATM.

And 2 days to WoC..? That's impressive.

[eNTi]

Interesting points nabbl. i didnt know pe psi shields were that bad that it almost makes them not worth using but then i havent ever tried a pe without them.

i'm currently hunting wbs with my pe and thus i often fight small cyberspiders (?) or mad copbots. mad copbots do good damage, while the spiders do ridiculous damage. my point is, it doesn't really matter too much if i run around with my blessed deflector or without it. the damage reduction is almost negligible to the point where i just don't cast it any more. the h-c booster at least gives me +1 damage on my speed gun.

[RogerRamjet]

I play a PE and it's not worthless. I really like him.

I've done some duels last night and I won all my 1v1 fights. (against APU, spy and tank)
The people I fought are good players to me.
My PE is also good in OPwar where I bring him a lot at the moment (more than my spy for exemple).

The only problem on PE atm is you need WoC to get access to good weapon. I tried TSU rifle or TT rifle, it's not good. I also tried PE and TL92 pulselaser pistol which are not better. As far as I remember, judge and ray of god are not good.

To me, PE is really not a diing class if you have WoC (took me 2 days to WoC my PE (starting from 80 dext) <-- no exploit needed of course).

Non-WoC weapon need a boost though (PE, judge, etc ...)

WoC should never be a necessity though, for any class. Last time I played NC nearly every variable was available to PE (except lotech pistols, and ROLH, but hopefully they will be fixed as well), and that's somewhere near the state the PE should be in my eyes. The current system of weapons being un-cappable means a spy will now always be better for the real hitech stuff, but the PE should have the dominance of the epic-mid range rares offset with greater defensive capabilities.

[Chuck Norris]

They just need PE only items if they offset the lower weapon hierarchy your going to see insane tanks running around with pistol and rifle setups

[Doc Holliday]

They just need PE only items if they offset the lower weapon hierarchy

we agree on something.