how to get rid of pesky LEd droners

**Torg** · 02-01-13, 17:21

spoiler ahead, fellow neocronians. here is how to deal with LE droners in important places like MC5, regants, caves. and to some extent this also applies to LEd whatsoevers "stealing" your favourite loot.

so what happens if you gather a small team of hardened fighters plus one or two supporters and enter the area of interest, only to find an LE droner in a corner, emptying his (or her) drones' ammo capacity onto your favourite NPC victims? shoot first, ask question later, thats whats happening. but, but, how can you hurt and kill someone wearing an LE (to some of us the root of all evil)? You cant. And you dont even need to.

All you need to do is concentrate your firepower on all the innocent little mobs around you, and soon you'll notice that your team is killing faster than that single LE guy. Even mobs he started firing at first will be finished by your team pretty much faster, so you will gain the lootright on all and everything. And all the precious loot. And Mr. LE droner guy will get nothing. The magic word here is "competition", and if you do a better job than the competition, you will profit.

But, but, whats up when theres 5 LE droners instead of one? Then you'll meet the dark side of competition, you just have been outperformed and need to go somewhere else, do something else. Luckily theres so much to do in Neocron.

Have a happy and productive year, everyone!

**DR REED** · 02-01-13, 17:46

Hm... another question is: how to get rid of those pesky "damn all over (LE) droners" ???

The droner is of of the FEW details which make Neocron really different from all the endless "gather a group and make a boss instance over 2 hours" games. The droner is a hightech char type which is rare to find in other games. And he is a "REMOTE FIGHT CHARACTER", you realize the difference to playing a Black Knight, which is spanking the creature eye-to-eye ?

And, finally, of course - the droner is one of the few possibilities to make a certain style of solo-ing. Solo playing is of interest of a special type aof gamer, almost mostly pve oriented gamers with a strong RP side.

On this way now the nerf of the droner is nearly complete. Drones are all the time blinded by high freq energy weapons (plasma etcx). Whats the sense of this ??? Droners have problems to make quick movements, so they are not everytime "group-compatible". Droners often have problems of proper looting. Only El Farid now seems to be the rest of higher level caves. MC5 and obviously the Labs are possible anymore or much to high effort. He is worthless in PVP.

In my opinion we are on the way to eliminate this type out of the game or his only funtcion is to make a quicker level-up fpr spys which will evolve to trade skillers.

Sad, very sad, the game will not getting more attractive with this.

And : Why is a droner a bad player if occuping a cave and a group of other char types mixed are the "good guys " ???

Neocron's caves were always a common property with normal ways of competition and/ or grouping ?!?

Bad thing if threads like this are supposed to "brainpooling" for making Neocron better. Its more like "discriminating" especially of players which are using a LE-droner.

Think about it.....
Reed

**William Antrim** · 02-01-13, 17:51

How is this anything other than flame bait? It is not constructive.... at best it is veiled sarcasm and appears to be designed to cause a giant argument about the LE.

If it is tongue in cheek then forgive me for missing something but it doesn't actually satisfy any of the criteria it sets out to "fix". Everyone understands the mechanic of loot rights by now. I am pretty sure of that.

How does this counter the LE'd runners logging out at the back of the Chaos Caves while a team legitimately tries to clear to the Queen only to find some LE'd tank/droner just standing there in an empty room, having killed, looted and cleared said room. How does that help anyone when he/she just goes "reset?" (so I can do the same thing over and over again?).

Your post is laden with sarcasm Torg and it is a little bit immature to be honest. I expected better.

**Mokoi** · 02-01-13, 18:18

The brainport is here for suggestions, change request or feature proposal that are relevant to the developement or governance of Neocron. I'm afraid I cannot find any such thing in the opening post.

-moved to Community Talk

**Torg** · 02-01-13, 22:53

[thx mokoi.]

tl;dr: there is no problem with LEd droners, or LE in general, just opinions.

why? because, like i described in the OP, any LE droner can be outdamaged by a team of non-LEds. so there is no need to limit access of LEd chars to any area.

to make it clear: i like drones. drones are a) warm and wonderful and b) entertaining, once you keep from grinding. drones should get more attention, imho.

Originally Posted by William Antrim

How does this counter the LE'd runners logging out at the back of the Chaos Caves while a team legitimately tries to clear to the Queen only to find some LE'd tank/droner just standing there in an empty room, having killed, looted and cleared said room. How does that help anyone when he/she just goes "reset?" (so I can do the same thing over and over again?).

interesting point, william. i think its unrelated to the LE discussion in general. logging out in the back/bossroom of a cave and relogging for maximum profit could be prevented, if anyone logged out for any reason could be sent to the main respawn point (i.e. near the entry) instead of respawning where he/she left. but thats up to our devs.

**DR REED** · 03-01-13, 02:04

Ok Torg, William,

the discussion maybe useless, because: if anybody blocks a location, it's forbidden and you have the right to call a GM. If parties encounter in a cave or something, then regardless whether one is LE'd of not - this will be solved - so or so

My opinion is: we have such a lot of balancing issues, a lot of them are not concerning droners. PVE, vehicles, specific char type issues - and the luck, that a new team is willing to deal them.

The droner was adressed a lot last time - i think he's nerfed to much, but this is my opinion. Now we should not forget that there are many other problems open und unsolved.

Greetz, Reed

**[F6]Knight** · 03-01-13, 08:34

Originally Posted by William Antrim

How does this counter the LE'd runners logging out at the back of the Chaos Caves while a team legitimately tries to clear to the Queen only to find some LE'd tank/droner just standing there in an empty room, having killed, looted and cleared said room.

Long ago this was considered to be "against the spirit of the game". People would get warnings and eventually a ban if they kept doing it.
Relogging at the entrance of a cave / dungeon was never an issue.
However, I don't know if the current dev team still thinks about it this way.

**Mokoi** · 03-01-13, 09:41

Originally Posted by [F6]Knight

Long ago this was considered to be "against the spirit of the game". People would get warnings and eventually a ban if they kept doing it.
Relogging at the entrance of a cave / dungeon was never an issue.
However, I don't know if the current dev team still thinks about it this way.

Provided that no other rules are being breached in the process, it is only a problem when it hinders other players, i.e. when it becomes an issue of blocking the zone.
Even when not blocking respawn on purpose, you will find that it can be hard to coordinate the zone reset with a number of people about. When this happens, we ask you to play along and exit the zone in conjunction with everyone else.

**Forget My Name** · 03-01-13, 16:14

Un LE'd can block, and do block, dungeons as well because LE players can't stop them either. Quit being a twat and making this seem like this is an LE problem when this is piss poor dungeon design programming from 1999.

Droners are a solo class, and without it I wouldn't play Neocron. The tiny population means I can't play most of the end game content because when there is 60 people online, I can't get anything done. If it weren't for dual logging my droner to help my tank get woc equipment, I'd be logged into guild wars 2 out of the famed neocron solo boredom we all face.

Lastly, all you pvpers depend on tradeskillers to play this game, and you can thank LE Droners for that as well. Once again the devs in 1999 figured players shouldn't be able to level tradeskilling alone. And once again, in guild wars 2, I can max my character's level without ever leaving the crafting area.

Thank your local Droner, because without him, Neocron would be a ghost town.

**Load** · 03-01-13, 16:59

There is so much wrong with the above post it makes me question your sanity, intelligence, social abilities and whether you actually play the game