[R#186] T#186-T#197 Patch Discussion

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

No I just think that your idea is flawed tino and i am giving reasons why behind it.

Kame as for your suggestion.....


#brains indeed. If you remove one shot from the burst then all you need to do is make the others do an equal amount of damage that the previous burst did.

If a weapon has 4 shots and you remove one but it used to do 100 damage then you can make it do the same damage over 3 shots (ok to make it divisible by 3 we would make it do 99 damage....). Problem fixed.

Simple maths.

Making all weapons hit all the time with a closed reticle IS the biggest issue I think you guys are trying to get at underneath all of the arguing. If thats the case then yes I agree completely. It doesnt retract from the fact you need a template though.

I think you will find you cannot argue with that logic.

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The point of shortening the dissy to a 3 shot burst isnt to simply change the number of shots...it's to bring the damage a single burst does down.

best post since weeks @bragi

so what exatly do you guys need now?

As far as clip size vs DPM goes, clipsize will only be a changing factor if the DPM/TL is adjusted via algorithm, which is what I assumed was the case.

Only if weapon DPM is set manually will the clipsize not be a a changing factor.

However if weapon damage is set independently of DPM, obviously there will be a lot of trial and error ?


Can you clarify how is the damage set on weapons ?

The Proportional DPM takes into account clip size and frequency, as well as reloading time.

Each weapon has it's own unique modifier, which we set individually (in fact there's almost no interlinking between weapons, there's over 60 variables for each weapon governing everything from TL, damage, light effects and where on the player model it sits). In the past this was done manually, one at a time, which took a long time to do (especially APU, *twitches*). We've since updated our tools to do it auto-magically, so we can generate a curve much quicker.

Regarding the bugged weapons, we are well aware of it. It's not my department though, since it's a coding problem.

Also, while the stages I mentioned hopefully means we can get a much more solid foundation to the balance effort, it will take a while to get to the parts that many of you are desperate to have fixed, PPUs in particular.
We have been coming up with some changes that we can implement quickly (though probably not in the next patch) as a temporary 'fix' until we come to look at them directly later on for a more refined solution.

Thanks for the update bargi. I'll be on testing this weekend

The real question is timeline...i think most neocron players are slowly giving up and losing faith in the game...its sad

its done when its done :)

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Originally Posted by Dasore

its done when its done :)

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Which we accept is unacceptable for many people; hence my mention of getting 'something' in place soon to make PvP a bit more enjoyable in a team environment.

I recommend fixing ammo clip size and burst size to give PVP in general a temp fix.

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Originally Posted by Kame

I recommend fixing ammo clip size and burst size to give PVP in general a temp fix.

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Honestly I would rather just Op fight on the test server than waste time on temporary fixes that slow down the work on balancing the game.

Is there any useful testing I can do if there is no one on when I'm on? I'm usually on late night early morn EST which is worst time pop wise. I'd like to contribute.
Can I collect numbers from any NPC or what might be useful.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by hudsonbeck

Is there any useful testing I can do if there is no one on when I'm on? I'm usually on late night early morn EST which is worst time pop wise. I'd like to contribute.
Can I collect numbers from any NPC or what might be useful.

Thanks.

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I guess thats why people also gave results they gathered with Launcher Cyclopse and such... tho you might also try dual logged testing, firing on your own toon.

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Originally Posted by Drachenpaladin

I guess thats why people also gave results they gathered with Launcher Cyclopse and such... tho you might also try dual logged testing, firing on your own toon.

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Great idea. Not sure why i didn't think of that... I use multiple accts all the time on retail.

I've been watching from the shadows, and yet to understand how this will affect of apus? Stacking was removed the the class a long time ago, as were a lot of things. Making the class futile.

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Originally Posted by Ascension

I've been watching from the shadows, and yet to understand how this will affect of apus? Stacking was removed the the class a long time ago, as were a lot of things. Making the class futile.

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Don't think that is in scope of the patch, but it is definitely something a large number of players would like to see. The return of a class that used to be fun.