Recruit the Noobs

**William Antrim** · 15-03-14, 13:24

Lol are you still going on about this?

this is absolutely brilliant. Im at work, youre keeping me entertained.

Take a moment and look at this from a neutral outsiders point of view, someone will read this and see some of the crap and probably be put right off the game. It doesnt actually DO anything for the good of the community, or the good of the game. It just makes you look silly.

If you reply now you will look even more silly because all you can do is flame. It will just put off more people from playing if anything because they wont bother to even post, they will just go off and play other games just like I am. Only you wont notice it because they wont bring it to your attention.

You will possibly realise when the pvp in nc dries up completely and youre left to just having your fights with your clan.

I am showing you this is what will happen, irrespective of what I or anyone else here has acheived in the past. We are discussing the here and now. As it stands YOU have a problem because you have noone to fight. I do not have that problem but I can see your point. I have presented solutions to fix said problem which you do not like.

At what point did I ever say I cared about op fighting in nc? In my first post I even said I dont care much for your situation, it makes me laugh that you are still clinging to that line. I am at work, bored as there is nothing to do today so I came to the forum to pass some time. On that score you have given me some entertainment.

None of what you said is true because I do not care what you think. It is your opinion. I dont believe it so I laugh at it because you can be so single-minded in your crusade to defame me personally.

I laugh at the fact that while you are waging this personal attack against a person who dared to provide an opposing viewpoint all the while your original problem is not getting solved.

What good does this thread ACTUALLY do? It has done nothing other than show the rest of the world that you do not want to shrink your clan to provide opposition.

It is merely a suggestion to do something about your predicament. Yet you have to go on and on making these attacks when it is quite clear that all you are doing is making yourself look even more silly.

I have seen this situation happen before. I tried to stem the tide that time and it got me nowhere. I wont make the same mistake twice. I would rather focus my efforts on parts of the game I have some influence over.

If you arent willing to even acknowledge an opposing viewpoint then there is little I, or anyone else will be able to do to help you solve your problem.

As I said before I wish you all the very best on your mission. When the game becomes fun for me again I will play, in the meantime I am going to seek my fun elsewhere.

**I See Blue** · 15-03-14, 13:37

So why is me answering you silly, and you answering me not silly?

I do agree that it doesn�t get us anywhere, and that is as much your fault as mine. And if you think my discussing what your suggestion would lead to is a flame, you don�t really understand what a discussion is.

I�ve tried to give sensible suggestions as to how players could make an effort to improve the game, your suggestion has been breaking up one of 2 actually fighting clans. And opening all grs and thus messing up opfights. Not really viable alternatives.

I�m not waging a war, I�m answering your presumptous claims and suggestions. When you have made sensible suggestions, I have agreed with you, as you can see in other threads.

You keep coming back to shrinking/dividing the clan, like I said it�s at most 12 people we can muster, and that is the rare occasions. I would say our clan is on the border of having too few people to consistently opfight. So clearly, it�s the other clans that are lacking people, not we that are too many. Most of the time we fight in groups of 4 to 7/8 people. And that means that splitting isn�t really an option, as you would not even have enough people to hack an op without dual-logging. If we were talking a clan of say 20-25, I would agree a split would be sensible, but we are not even close to that.

So get back to work, and I�ll get back to tanning, and I�ll see you if and when you get back to the game.

**William Antrim** · 15-03-14, 13:55

Lol even more.

Dude you are gonna have to go down with your ship on this one. If you are posting this from your holiday then you seriously do need to just close the laptop for a mo and enjoy the sunshine.

The two solutions I posted are perfectly viable, you just dont like them for various reasons. That's all good but see the difference between not liking something and saying it is bad. There is a clear cut difference. This thread is nothing to do with other threads, its about this one. You do not like the advice given yet you ought to have thought about this before posting the thread in the first place!

At most you have 12 people - 6v6 is a good op fight tbh. Less and it just becomes a skirmish but you get the fights you clearly want. As I keep saying. You claim to just care about the fights but I have yet to see a proposal about what YOU are going to do about the current "problem" you have.

All your guys are ppus and pistol spys so the comment about not having enough hackers in a 6 man team is a push at best. Dual logging to hack an op is easily doable. It is not ideal I will be the first to admit but in this day and age (better computers means you CAN dual log more easily) - where you care more about the fights than the op then you DONT NEED to dual log. All you need is one hacker.

He hacks the op, other team turns up, you get the fight you desire.

I keep coming back to the dividing the clan idea because it is the only sensible one in the thread. You havent posted any and you just keep coming back with more of the same, just words. Words wont change the situation. Half the population of the game dont read the forum. The rest cant be bothered to post. The only reason I am is I enjoy a good discussion.

If you want to have a good discussion please reply. Or better still bump one of the threads discussing aspects of op fighting - ie the 3 hacker thread from a while back. Lets get the hacker problem changed with enough of a driving force behind the problem it could easily get overturned I am sure.

We could probably muster enough support to go back to something LIKE the old days of hacking Ops. Originally it was 1 hacker did all 3 layers and no hacknet (in case anyone doesnt know) but due to ninja-ing ops it got changed.

If we went to a 2 hacker rule (hacking ALTERNATE layers) then that would alleviate some of the problems while stopping the "ninja-ing" that goes on. That was the gist of the thread for anyone who is curious.

As for the "presumptions" and the "you dont understand what a discussion is" bollocks, save that for your op fights and flame wars in game. The forum is a place for mature discussion. Im more than happy to engage you in one.

**I See Blue** · 15-03-14, 14:16

It�s like 9 am here, I�m waiting for the others to wake up.

Ok, so you finally responded to something I posted, the numbers. If you read what I said, the 12 was the rare occurance, RARE. And that is the number you run with. I said most of the time it is from 4 to 8, which means, teams from 2 to 4 people. Which isn�t viable in the long term. And those numbers means either everyone has to be a hacker (4 people), or the 2 guys have to dual log.

Are you seriously saying op fights with 2 people on each side are the way to go? Or three? This thread was meant as a call to arms, a challenge to muster some opposition. And you just wanted it to be about 17th. It isn�t. The server has to step up, people can�t just expect everything to be fixed for them, they have to make an effort themselves.

The thread (made by BlueRobot, not me as you seem to believe) was about this originally

eople are asking for clans to join. Because they want to fight, they want to join in the endgame stuff. At the same time there are clans complaining they can�t get enough numbers. There�s you saying you aren�t able to put a clan together to make some opposition. Clans have been too picky, not accepting non-vets into their clans. Or not making enough effort in recruiting.

Are you serious in saying I haven�t made suggestions? Then you should read my posts again, I�ve made suggestions here and in other threads. On recruiting, on training, on making a fucking effort to improve the game. None of which you can be bothered to do.

Ok, I�ll leave this now, since you are just a broken record, spouting the same nonsense over and over.

As for mature discussion, you are the one using descriptions such as Sheep clan, calling others insignificant, telling me to get over myself, mocking me for answering what you say, trying to correct me (and failing miserably). Try taking the high ground guy, you�ll have a hard time getting up there.

**William Antrim** · 15-03-14, 14:28

Stop posting.

Start doing.

If there are all of these people out there who want to join a clan but cant then the 4 or 5 people you think you guys will have on one side (which is a bad op fight apparently) will suddenly swell up in size back to the 7 or 8 or more per side like you said you want.

I cant believe you are still posting this stuff. You are just making yourself look even more silly, its not THAT youre posting but WHAT youre posting!

I never said I couldnt, I said I couldnt be arsed.

This is truly hilarious. If there is this nucleus of people just waiting to be trained up to op fight then the two new clans that spawn out of the 17th that is here currently will have all of these noobs to train and be able to give them the benefit of your experience.

It is even more obvious now that this is the way to go. You guys could grab all of those guys up, train em up, coach em up whatever em up and get your op fights back to how they used to be!

Dont keep writing are you saying..... followed by another assumption - read what I wrote, its right there for all to see. It just makes you look lazy or silly. Either or.

Yes I am serious in saying that you havent made an effort. You (the collective brain trust of 17th) made a thread and some posts in a thread. The thread went nowhere. If you want to change the game then change the first and easiest thing you can do, yourself. Some of this enthusiasm needs to rub off in the game and you will find you are richly rewarded in following my advice. The noobs will benefit, they will get their pvp fix. You will get yours also because you will have what you wanted in the OP and you guys will all be able to keep your ops, have your fights and generally be happier that you made a difference today.

See thats that problem fixed - I am on a roll here, I am gonna take a look at North Korea next and then sort out world peace this afternoon.

If you don't like it, dont reply. Then the thread will die.

**William Antrim** · 15-03-14, 14:31

Is english your first language?

I sense some translation errors at times is all. This is not a flame. Just checking because you talk about how I am correcting you using a very literal version of correction. Specifically with the threat vs thread thing. That was a contextual correction not a literal spelling correction.

I made a thread, not a threat.

**BlueRobot** · 15-03-14, 14:45

It seems i have to clarify something here: This thread was not directed at William + Doc aka the Regulators.

This thread is pointed towards anyone who plays the game actively and wants to contribute to keep the players and help players to get into the game so the population can rise again. It was also a hint and offer of help for guys who want to get into PvP.

William has clarified his position a hundred times now. Its OK if you're not interested in putting any effort into what I suggested, but why the fuck do you keep writing articles in this thread ?
To make this clear: I don't give a shit about you or Regulators. We beat the crap out of you 1v2 the last time you were active on Titen and we did so this time. We're not going to split so you can join us and win some fights. If you weren't so seriously butthurt these whole ninja/"zerg"/"bully tactics" (wtf you serious lol?) accusations would be loughable. You guys attacked us 2 times. (Oh you glorious PvPers you) Once with 2-3 more people than us, where we had a decently lasting fight, but you still lost after a while. And once with 1 more guy than us, where you got roflowned in 5 minutes. Since then you tried ninjaing 2-3 times and then left. Since then you went onto an embarassing spam attack on the forums to salvage your honor with talking bullshit on an online forum. If someone reads your dumb posts and doesn't know you guys PvP'd for about a week before becoming butthurt and stopping to play they might actually think you arent super worthless at PvP, which is exactly what you are. Good job!
My suggestion? If you don't have enough time to go ingame and accomplish anything there, you might want to spend less time on the forum and more time in your awesome real life, about which I (you guessed correctly) dont give a shit. Go carry some sandbags with your bros, go back to the army and shoot some crocodiles but pls don't tell me more about the shitty life lessons about leadership you learned at APB.
But if you're not interested in doing something for the game, then keep your inane posts out of serious threads about that topic.

**I See Blue** · 15-03-14, 14:53

Originally Posted by William Antrim

Is english your first language?

I sense some translation errors at times is all. This is not a flame. Just checking because you talk about how I am correcting you using a very literal version of correction. Specifically with the threat vs thread thing. That was a contextual correction not a literal spelling correction.

I made a thread, not a threat.

I know I said I�d leave this, but this needs answering. You made a threat in that thread. A threat saying if you don�t do what I tell you too, I will make you do it. A threat you failed to back up.

I know what I�m writing, even if english isn�t my first language, I don�t need you to correct me. I�m norwegian, not that this has anything to do with anything.

The silly" OMG, you answered again thing you are doing" is really a pathetic tactic. Childish behaviour basically, since you are unable to discuss properly.

You are the one who aren�t doing anything. I�ve been away on holiday a month, so my only possible contribution is posting in the forums. When I get back in 2 days I�ll start putting into action some of my suggestions from this and other threads.

For a guy preaching action over words, you talk A LOT more than you actually do man. I�ve done stuff in the recent past (before I went on holiday), created an event, helped people, etc. Yet in my time back since november I have hardly noticed you in game, though you make a lot of noise here on the forums.

As for the other thread you posted in just now, you are much to pedantic and inflexible for me to want to cooperate with you.
Maybe someone else wants to, I don�t know.

OK, that was the last of it for me. Honestly, I mean it this time.

**William Antrim** · 15-03-14, 15:17

lol.

Ok guys. This one is done.

Thanks for a great discussion - you too Blue robot.

That was some insightful posting. Thanks. Yes. Really.

I have done a shitload for this community and continue to do so. Just because you chaps dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. I make a lot of contributions in the brainport, you tend to get a better quality of discussion there for example. Just because you dont see "William Antrim" in the game doesnt mean the player is not there helping people, running missions, giving out advice etc. With 3 accounts active and 3 more inactive I tend to spend a lot of time on my other 11 characters but hey thats my choice.

I dont need to flame you fellas to get my point across. I can do it in a calm relaxed manner. It seems I am one of the few.

Anyway as I said before - good luck with your op fights guys I truly hope you manage to get some more good fights out of this game.

Have fun, see you in game sometime.

**BlueRobot** · 15-03-14, 15:28

Originally Posted by William Antrim

I have done a shitload for this community and continue to do so.

LOL. Can some mods pls remove the flaming/self-staging, now that it's stopped?

Back on topic now: Another reason for this post is, that 10-15% population during prime-time should mean 100-150 people online, which means 10 times as many people as we have online during peak time. It should easily be possible to form a few more clans just as big as 17/pricks. If you're afraid of ninjaing/laming we can talk and lay down rules as well.

**William Antrim** · 15-03-14, 16:09

Moderate yourself first buddy.

100 players is a lot different to 100 people who can or want to PvP.

I have never seen pops above about a 100 people myself but hey who am I to argue.

If you want something done start it off is all I'm saying.

If it's as easy as you claim then why hasn't it happened?

**Faid** · 15-03-14, 16:26

I think you should remake this thread I see blue. But this time, make it clear that you are not talking to William or Doc. The thread wasn't aimed at the regulators, it was aimed at the other 100 or so people that play NC. I'm tired of having to sift through Williams derogatory whine posts to see if any actual NC players have something constructive to add. It's obvious he's bored at work and just wants to clutter up this thread with insignificant babble, he and his 3 mates don't even play NC anymore so lets leave it at that.

**BlueRobot** · 15-03-14, 16:49

Click for population. I know there are a lot of players open to join a PvPing clan, because i get asked a lot. This isn't only about PvP as well, but about giving those players a chance to experience the whole game for which you need a PvPing clan.

I'm not saying it's easy, but I'm trying to encourage people and help them.

But since you're asking those questions now - after posting bs flame, getting off to your own ego and telling us to shut up and recruit/train/equip all the players to then send them over to you while praising the "shitload" you did for the community - I'm sure there isn't going to be decent conversation with you, so quit the moaning already and go post stuff in the Brainport if you have to.

**Dropout** · 15-03-14, 17:27

Impressive how fast ignorance and straight up stupidity can change what you think about certain people..
I have not read this last page, since.. Well you all just sound like broken records.
Will and to some extent Doc, talking about stuff they clearly do not have a clue about. And I See Blue, trying to explain how it is to them..
I See Blue have clearly capped out his PATIENCE skills..

Will, sorry buddy but you're the one Im mainly talking about here..
So let me put it like this for you...
WE..DO..NOT..HAVE..ENOUGH..MEMBERS..TO..SPLIT..THE..CLAN..UP..
4-8 people is NOT enough to make two different clans.. How god damn hard is that to get through your thick skull?

Personally I play once or twice a week, since I just dont have time for more (or are too tired).
Sure once in a while 17th can suddenly have more than the 4-8 members mentioned in this thread online at once. But thats only when 2-3 of the people that rarely plays, gets online at the same time.. Its rare, but it happens. And then we suddenly have "24 people online!"
*sigh*

**r3yka** · 15-03-14, 18:36

Doc and Will you guys sound ridiculous man, our clan took months to reach the stage where we could compete with LG and TASA, and im sure if they came back, we would still be getting those high quality OP fights, and more often than not, get our asses spanked! Our clan is not overly sized like most claim, its just that there are not enough clans active atm, and the TSU clan are all american so when they log on in the week, a lot of our guys are sleeping so we kind of all log on mostly on sundays for organized PVP days, and when that happens, we sometimes happen to have 2-3 more than the TSU guys. If there were some more active clans that could attack atleast before 12-1:00 am then i'm sure you'd see a max of around 6-8 players defending, as I See Blue previously said.

You guys are just purely lazy from what I can see anyway. When i came back after 10 years of not playing, the guys here saw i was nooby and took me and a ppu to fight our best tank at the time (Torrez) and a ppu, and took time to highlight some things that were wrong with my set up etc, this has been the general process with most of our clannies, taking hours and hours in NF and stuff to compare different set ups and practice, you guys sound so lazy, and just expect instant-gratification, or other people to fix the problems, if you don't want to train up players and stuff then well, unless all your pro guys come back i highly doubt you'll be the leaders of an OP fight ready clan any time soon, I think this post was aimed at runners that do actually have a passion for the game, and are willing to take the time to forge bonds with other players and come up the ranks in an honorable fashion. you really just need to calm your poisonous attitudes, your continuous flaming of us, and it is continuous, is just getting annoying, especially when all we want is a healthy environment in the game

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