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    OK so its an automatic fee not a tip. but ive seen several threads where pokers where complaining about the low amount some people pay for pokes. one solution that was suggested was asking for the poker to state a fee before poking.

    This idea proposes a compromise situation where the poker cant demand a huge fee and can even offer the poke for free with the unlimited tool.

    Some pokers may only buy a TL150 tool but if you need a low TL poke and there are 2 pokers one with a TL150 and one with a TL 75 then the poker with the tl150 could lose business.
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    I've seen the following in Plaza:

    "Poking all allied clans/factions for free. KoS clans pay up 15k up front per poke."

    That was started by one runner... You know who you are



    Now of course, you see lots of people doing similar stuff. And people will pay if they need it direly.

    Anyway, in the amount of time it takes you to poke a group of people... I can probably research and ID one 'e' part.

    A research batch job gets me crap pay.

    I've yet to enforce a fee - because I'm nice and don't care much.

    Now, don't cry to me about lack of tips - If you poke, that means generally you have a combat skill and are able to go out and kill stuff for money.

    Leo doesn't, all his dex is in repair and all int is in research. Because he doesn't force a fee, he gets craptastical tips like "5k for a research batch job"... and I live with it.

    Why you ask? Because one day... A lot of tradeskillers will dissapear and Leo will be left; and he will be rich.

    At the moment though, he's only getting poorer.

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    And then noone came up with the bright idea:
    "What if you payed for the TL of the imp instead?
    n00bs would pay less while MC5ers the most,
    simple and easy
    And yes I support auto tip
    Since poking is the only trade skill where u can't stop people from not tipping
    What if u remote built?
    OH GREAT 3 5-slot Blacksuns anda a 4-slot libb and the fella just runs off
    Would u like that no?
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    I think im generous enough in my tips

    For construction : 1,ooo CR for every item built, 1,ooo CR for every slot on the built items. Unless its a cheap item like a heal spell or unlabeled nailgun, low level items like that.

    For Researchers : 2,ooo CR for every blueprint made. I usually get 3 or 5 done of an item so thats 6,ooo CR to 10,ooo CR.

    All depends on the TL of the item though.

    Researcher did 15 blueprints for me, mostly low level spells (and rapid fire smg) gave him 30k

    For Pokers : 2,ooo CR per poke unless I have just 1 to get done or its my first set of implants on my poor n00b.

    Only problem I have with tring to be a poker myself is this.

    Personal Implant Tools (TL 150): NEEDED to poke yourself, costs 400k
    Remote Implant Tools (TL 150) : CANT poke yourself with it AND NEEDED to poke others, costs 1 million CR.

    Constructors need 1 tool, researchers 1 tool, salvagers, recyclers.

    I dont even use that cheap self poke, remote poke tool.

    You would think that the technology to poke others with the remote implant tool could allow you to poke yourself too.
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    Buddahs friggin' blue balls.

    You "auto-tip" pokers are just lazy.

    ASK FOR A FUCKING FEE INSTEAD OF A TIP.

    THE TERM TIP AS DEFINED BY MY LOCAL DICTIONARY.

    "A small sum of money given to a provider of services by a satisfied person or group.."

    HAVE YOU SATISFIED YOUR CUSTOMER?

    IS HE OR SHE ABSOLUTELY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE YOU PROVIDE?

    HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THEIR NEEDS?

    Or perhaps you guys can pull your collective head from your ass and use the term 'fee' instead of 'tip'.

    A 'tip' is optional. A 'fee' is not.


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    1) U dunn need that tl 150 remote
    get the... err.. 1610 I think it is, cheap as fuck

    2)Maybe ur a good tipper, but ur not the only one using tradeskillers.

    [EDIT]
    3)And Marx, if u say, pay first, they just walk away.
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    Originally posted by Richard Slade
    3)And Marx, if u say, pay first, they just walk away.
    My ass, the pokers I know who ask for cash up front make a killing.

    Not to mention desperation makes for bigger cash flow.

    //
    Mr. Tank dude:> "ONOZ, OP BATTLE!!!1"

    *quick thought to self: "I'm the only poker here..."

    Moi:> "Poking all factions, enemy factions 5k per poke, allied factions 1k per poke - Pay up front."

    Mr. Tank dude:> "Damn, I hate to lose my money, but I need teh pokes.

    Monkeh manz:> "Anyone poke?"

    Moi:> "Poking all factions, enemy factions 5k per poke, allied factions 1k per poke - Pay up front."

    \\

    As I said, those who support auto-tip are ignorant and lazy.

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    Or this way since I'm on Saturn:

    "Scenario with Moi (ME) and Mr. Bollox (Enemy)
    Act I

    Mr. Bollox: POKER?!

    Moi:Poking everyone, enemy facs cash up front first!

    Mr. Bollox:FUCK OFF LAMER!
    Mr. Bollox:POKER?!

    Moi:Poking everyone, enemy facs cash up front first!

    Mr. Bollox:STFU U N00B!
    Mr. Bollox:POKER?!

    Moi:Poking everyone, enemy facs cash up front first!

    **Two hours later**

    Mr. Bollox:POKER?!

    Moi:Poking everyone, enemy facs cash up front first!

    Mr. Bollox: Will you fuck off?!

    Other Poker: Poking ANYONE for tips!

    Mr. Bollox: At last! A poker!

    *Mr. Bollox get's poked and runs off without tipping*

    End of act XI
    "

    Yeah that's being fucking lazy of me and also a very good way to make money
    How about NOT?!
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    If you're known as a poker - you get buisiness.

    If you're not, that's your problem.

    Other Poker: Poking ANYONE for tips!
    And he'll bitch if the dude runs off without paying? Probably.

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    i didnt read the whole thread but when i wonna poke a friend or a noobie for free, or when the person doesnt have cash (like 0cr) then i cant poke em :/ or its substracts cash automatically ? nah i know the tradewindows are annoying but making it auto isnt a perfect solution.

    If you wonna make big bucks ya also dont gonna be a poker, ya gonna make sum other moneymakin char like barter or so ....

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    Im probably gonna make my character a poker on pluto.

    My Private Eye has 50 Weapon Lore, 50 Psi Use, 55 Hacking.

    He can get 96 Implant in just pure skills, no boost or glove.

    which means, spy boost 1, implant glove.

    Thufir : Poking TL 115 - Charging 2,ooo CR per poke, Pay, THEN poke.

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    Ack.. bad idea. Some people poke just for the fun of it and wanting to be useful. And some people refure to take a tip when offered.

    Bad tips for researchers? Well, you can always tell them how much the research costs instead of letting them to decide how much to tip. I payed a researcher who did 249 psi booster 3 BPs for me a 150k. Cause it's damn boring and time wasting to do those bp's so he deserved it. Can't remember who it was tho.

    So if you won't tell them what to tip, then don't poke them who pay bad tips.

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    @ original monk, yes you missed the bit where i said the T1610 tool wouldnt deduct a fee, you could use it for free or ask for tips.

    a couple of nights ago i arrived in plaza 1 and someone was screaming that he needed a poke and had been asking for over an hour.
    i rushed over and poked him (cos i'm a nice guy ) then he asked who poked him. i answered, he paid a nice tip but then yelled "AXEMAN POKES" i was then swamped by at least 20 people, pushing, shoving etc. i ended up inside yakarma.

    i was just thinking it would have been nice to have an automated way of getting money every time i "fired" the remote tool rather than being interupted when one of the customers opened up a trade window. cos when they did everyone else must have thought i couldnt see them and tried pushing in front of me.
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    whats that T1610 tool or whatever do anyways.

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    the t1610 remote implant tool costs about 3k and does pokes without a limit restriction. until recently it was the only remote implant tool
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