Vehicle Damage

**bobhoskins** · 03-07-17, 16:18

This is an outstanding issue that needs addressing. Many haven't reported the issue as they are reaping advantage of the insane damage for fast PVE farming and easy PVP kills

**JoshCooper** · 03-07-17, 18:47

I don't see an issue with vehicle damage.

Yes they are powerful - they have to be to attract people. But it's not like they are difficult to acquire, meaning noone is getting an unfair advantage by using them.

All combat vehicles have their weakness' and people just have to adapt and play against them. Not run at a bomber / stand in the open shooting it.

Coordinated groups of players may make them seem OP, but that's because they are a coordinated group of players. Without that coordination & support they are no stronger then the 2-3 people being on foot.

Vehicles add another layer of fun and that's ultimately why we still play, lets not ruin an area of the game.

**Drake6k** · 04-07-17, 00:57

Whenever I see a rhino or bomber I get excited. If two DPS focus a bomber, the bomber will nearly die even if it immediately starts flying away. Run circles around it, the thing turns slowly. Rhinos are great, but quite easy to kill if you focus them too. Vehicle pvp has been the hightlight of gameplay for me recently. Vehicles are finally viable enough to use. They require specialized characters and a lot of teamwork.

Of course vehicles are going to be used in outdoor (wasteland) PvE. If vehicles did less damage than normal weapons, no one would use them. Rhinos are fucking tanks after all. There is plenty of indoor PvE where vehicles aren't even an option.

BG tried to use bombers against us and we blew both of them up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3w4oHAOlwI

If you can't counter vehicles, you're doing something wrong. If they are so easy to use, why isn't anyone else getting bomber kills? It's literally just me, one person. Get some vehicles and show us how easy it is, we might end up having fun.

**bmurph101** · 04-07-17, 09:37

Yeah, this is not any kind of issue that needs to be addressed at all currently lmao. Waaaaay more important stuff to focus on.

Sorry man.

**bobhoskins** · 04-07-17, 09:43

Originally Posted by Drake6k

Whenever I see a rhino or bomber I get excited. If two DPS focus a bomber, the bomber will nearly die even if it immediately starts flying away. Run circles around it, the thing turns slowly. Rhinos are great, but quite easy to kill if you focus them too. Vehicle pvp has been the hightlight of gameplay for me recently. Vehicles are finally viable enough to use. They require specialized characters and a lot of teamwork.

Of course vehicles are going to be used in outdoor (wasteland) PvE. If vehicles did less damage than normal weapons, no one would use them. Rhinos are fucking tanks after all. There is plenty of indoor PvE where vehicles aren't even an option.

BG tried to use bombers against us and we blew both of them up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3w4oHAOlwI

If you can't counter vehicles, you're doing something wrong. If they are so easy to use, why isn't anyone else getting bomber kills? It's literally just me, one person. Get some vehicles and show us how easy it is, we might end up having fun.

You also didn�t see an issue with Kami Damage and tried your hardiest to rally against them being balanced� along with the rest of your clan mates� here�s the link to that https://forum.neocron-game.com/showt...ng-Kami-drones, they have since been balanced correctly.
The vehicle damage currently has an absolute minimum of 2x more DPS than any Weapon available in game, so in both PVE and PVP it only make�s sense to use vehicles currently as anything else is under powered in comparison, this has been noted by many players. Even your man Brendan agree's it's an issue as above. Not saying needs to be addressed as a priority Brendan i've made it clear there are far more game breaking issues to solve... and i dont mean a big light saber lol.

**Mal** · 04-07-17, 10:07

Originally Posted by bobhoskins

This is an outstanding issue that needs addressing. Many haven't reported the issue as they are reaping advantage of the insane damage for fast PVE farming and easy PVP kills

You've failed to say what you think the issue is. How do you expect it to be addressed when you're not clearly and concisely advising what you think it wrong, and how you feel it could be rectified?

'many' haven't reported. Perhaps 'many' don't think it's an issue, just you?

**bobhoskins** · 04-07-17, 10:19

Originally Posted by Mal

You've failed to say what you think the issue is. How do you expect it to be addressed when you're not clearly and concisely advising what you think it wrong, and how you feel it could be rectified?

'many' haven't reported. Perhaps 'many' don't think it's an issue, just you?

"The vehicle damage currently has an absolute minimum of 2x more DPS than any Weapon available in game" They have a higher survivability than any runner in game has that goes hand in hand with the extra damage making it overpowered.

Maybe you should take some time to educate yourself on balancing Mal.

The only argument you have is it's "Fun".... funny how you never found them fun before the damage was a minimum of 2x more powerful than any weapon available to anyone on foot. You should spend efforts on learning to coordinate single target weapons more effectively in your clan as you should be able to with 3-4 guys.

**JoshCooper** · 04-07-17, 10:39

Originally Posted by bobhoskins

"The vehicle damage currently has an absolute minimum of 2x more DPS than any Weapon available in game" They have a higher survivability than any runner in game has that goes hand in hand with the extra damage making it overpowered.

These vehicles also require 2 people to use, they should do more dmg as your taking 2 foot soldiers away. The exceptions being the trike & assault gliders which leaves the driver super vunerable and only able to shoot in a small cone infront.

**bobhoskins** · 04-07-17, 10:45

Originally Posted by JoshCooper

These vehicles also require 2 people to use, they should do more dmg as your taking 2 foot soldiers away. The exceptions being the trike & assault gliders which leaves the driver super vulnerable and only able to shoot in a small cone infront.

No they don't these vehicles i am referring to can be piloted and gunned by one runner. The bomber pilot can also drop the bombs, and that vehicle specifically has 4x DPS output than that of any weapon available lol. You are clutching at straws to try and find justification for an area that is currently unbalanced. Vehicle's have never been this way in neocron and have never supposed to be.

**JoshCooper** · 04-07-17, 11:01

Originally Posted by bobhoskins

No they don't these vehicles i am referring to can be piloted and gunned by one runner. The bomber pilot can also drop the bombs, and that vehicle specifically has 4x DPS output than that of any weapon available lol. You are clutching at straws to try and find justification for an area that is currently unbalanced. Vehicle's have never been this way in neocron and have never supposed to be.

Now you really are showing your lack of knowledge on the subject. No bombing vehicle allows the pilot to drop bombs. Bombing involves 2 people, skill & coordination.

You already admitted on discord you have no interest in participating in vehicle PvP - please don't try to ruin it for those who enjoy it because you cba to counter it / don't have the back up to take one on.

**DIS** · 04-07-17, 11:15

Originally Posted by bobhoskins

No they don't these vehicles i am referring to can be piloted and gunned by one runner. The bomber pilot can also drop the bombs, and that vehicle specifically has 4x DPS output than that of any weapon available lol. You are clutching at straws to try and find justification for an area that is currently unbalanced. Vehicle's have never been this way in neocron and have never supposed to be.

There are two bombers, the main DOY bomber and a glider that drops bombs, both require bomber and pilot, latter leaves the players vulnerable to attack as its open top like any other Glider. So much for your 200+ hours of VHC testing...

Bombers are slow, hard to manoeuvrer and require team co-ordination, a single bomber going to an OP with no eyes on the ground will fail... BG proved that when they sent two bombers at us when they had no ground troops attacking, which we made a video of and posted... BG have also fended off a single bomber at Cycrow that we sent without a problem.

As you are so predictable by attacking from the UG and getting bombed then you will of course die and we will keep hovering over the entrance because you are predictable - the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting the same result - famous quote there Bob, you could learn a thing or two from it.

**DIS** · 04-07-17, 13:41

No one agrees with you Bob, Rekt and BG are enemies yet we agree on a lot of things including Vhc. You've lost your argument due to your flaming and nonsensical posts.

**bobhoskins** · 04-07-17, 14:00

Originally Posted by DIS

No one agrees with you Bob, Rekt and BG are enemies yet we agree on a lot of things including Vhc. You've lost your argument due to your flaming and nonsensical posts.

I have seen several clans agree and discuss about this issue both on Discord and in game... One runner returned recently after a 3 month period of inactive and was shocked to see the overpowerd vehicle damage hasn't been addressed yet. But unfortunately most don't comment on here as they are hounded by the guys with selfish opinions just supporting their preferred playstyle.
I have provided valid points why it is not balanced. You have all failed to counter and justify and try clutching at straws in attempt to sideline the awareness i am providing. Currently weapons are obsolete compared with Vehicles, the DPS between the 2 is too far apart... That comes hand in hand with your desperate attempts to avoid the vehicles being balanced as the information is all there.... The guys arguing against the damage being too high here have stated that they dont want it nerfed as they are the only good things left for PVE. So it all boils down to personal gain/benefit "selfish opinions" rather than looking at balance as a whole across the group sets... It's players like this that put off clan's playing when they rally so hard to keep something in game that is really out of line.

**JoshCooper** · 04-07-17, 14:08

Bob all you have done is repeatedly state they do too much damage. Even in doing so you have shown inconsistencies with how much damage they do.

This, along with your general lack of knowledge on how vehicles work, throws your claims of testing into dispute.

Once we know your claims of testing are rubbish, we also have to question your inconsistent accounts of how much damage they actually do.

You then realise that people aren't agreeing so try to discredit them, this isn't going to help your argument seem like a logical one for balance. It turns it into a flame war, from which nothing constructive will come.

We have provided several short comings of vehicles, to which your only reply was that they do too much damage. Completely ignoring the other relevant points which must be taken into account when balancing.

Balance isn't as simple as "make the flashy numbers smaller".

**bobhoskins** · 04-07-17, 14:17

Originally Posted by JoshCooper

Bob all you have done is repeatedly state they do too much damage. Even in doing so you have shown inconsistencies with how much damage they do.

This, along with your general lack of knowledge on how vehicles work, throws your claims of testing into dispute.

Once we know your claims of testing are rubbish, we also have to question your inconsistent accounts of how much damage they actually do.

You then realise that people aren't agreeing so try to discredit them, this isn't going to help your argument seem like a logical one for balance. It turns it into a flame war, from which nothing constructive will come.

We have provided several short comings of vehicles, to which your only reply was that they do too much damage. Completely ignoring the other relevant points which must be taken into account when balancing.

Balance isn't as simple as "make the flashy numbers smaller".

I've stated enough , not going to waste anymore of my time ... It's players like yourselfs that are a big part of the reason why we have such a small player base when you go out of your way to rally against balance. Real shame that the main active player base now would rather have am unbalanced area of the game for personal gains rather than taking the bigger part of the community into account . Shit we are literally at the worst active population and pvp right now since titans revival in 2012. And we still have players going out of their way to defend areas thay are not balanced. Wow

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