New player confused about... pretty much everything...

**Frell** · 19-02-14, 05:31

I would start this game with gen tank driver in Tangent Technology faction.

I would spend all starting int points to weapon lore.
STR half heavy weapons and oher half transport.
Con 10 points to athletic and rest body health.
Dex 16 points to recycle skill and rest in agility.

I would skip the tutorial and come straight to city to your apartment.
After that i would ask some help in help channel what to do next.

**Doc Holliday** · 19-02-14, 06:25

Originally Posted by Frell

I would start this game with gen tank driver in Tangent Technology faction.

I would spend all starting int points to weapon lore.
STR half heavy weapons and oher half transport.
Con 10 points to athletic and rest body health.
Dex 16 points to recycle skill and rest in agility.

I would skip the tutorial and come straight to city to your apartment.
After that i would ask some help in help channel what to do next.

As a new player in the game i would wonder why you are telling me this. As an old player i can see the logic but if im the new guy i want to know why.

Skip the advice above as its already telling you to go do something different to what you want to do and the whole point of gaming is to do what YOU want to do not feel you have to do.

The new player experience is something that is being worked on and mc5 is best to be skipped from the word go and come to the city as mentioned. From there you have a lot of options to go off and explore as torg said and for the time being keep the LE chip firmly implanted in your head until your confident to take it out.

If you can find your way in to pepper park 1 there is a place called the abandoned rooms (pepper park 1. There is a ramp going up to an abandoned store opposite of club veronique. Under the ramp is the hatch. go down in there) which is a much better starter levelling area than any of the sewers. You will find it a lot more fun without being too difficult to level up and toughen up your starting character regardless of class.

My final piece of advice to you is the most simple. IGNORE half of the community when they say you should do this or you should do that. Thats not what being a new player is all about and most of them are too stupid to realise they will be cheating you out of the new player experience when telling you how to use the best possible set ups.

When i started i didnt ask people for the best set ups etc. I asked questions and i figured things out. If i got stuck i asked another question. That is what i would suggest you do. Take your time and look at everything and just have fun getting fully immersed. IF something doesnt make sense ask what it means/says/does. if they start telling you where to go and what to do ignore it and make your own way around till you feel you have the basics down. then keep an eye on the help channel as questions are asked all the time and sometimes you will get good answers. these helps to facilitate the learning.

**fatbackwards** · 19-02-14, 06:39

Originally Posted by Doc Holliday

As a new player in the game i would wonder why you are telling me this....

You know what's fun? I had that exact thought. I have no idea what any of those stats mean, apart from being a driver. That's the profession that lets you drive the cars and tanks, right?

Uh... which I could ask, do you need to be a driver to have your own personal car/tank/hoverboat/camper?

Originally Posted by Doc Holliday

... for the time being keep the LE chip firmly implanted in your head...

That's the thing they put in my brain, right? The reason the MC-5 exists? Prevents the good little citizens from having bad thoughts about others? I assume that has something to do with PVP... so I'll keep it in. Are there any drawback to keeping it in, I mean... past the fact that, I assume, people can kill you?

Originally Posted by Doc Holliday

... find your way in to pepper park 1 there is a place called the abandoned rooms ...

I'll try that... my head is spinning from being in the sewers.

And well, I assume this game is a mob based grinding game... so no real quests other than Mr. Jones and the faction ones, right?

OH OH OH... and is there a way to respec your points? One of the things that's kinda holding me back... is that I don't know how to distribute my points, so... I feel like I'm gonna gimp myself somehow. You know, like putting in all my points into like... psi defense, when I could have distributed them with psi pool and like... the skill that allows you to use psi skills. Since this game is already feeling like a grind... I really would hate to reach the end and go...

"SHIT, I can't hit the broad side of a barn! Why did I put all my points into barter?! The weapon shops are garbage anyways!!!"

Mr. Jones won't have a fix for me then.

**Doc Holliday** · 19-02-14, 07:03

In response to this thread fat you already figured out way more than you credit yourself with.

Im gonna try and give you a quick response to these Qs. First off the driver profession gives you a pretty neat quad. It needs 15 vhc (approxx) and can never ever be permanently lost. and its fast as grease lightning across the wastes. this you will like. It is the only profession that is able to earn the quad from the Mr (Morpheus) Jones mission line. Others receive different rewards.

No you do not NEED to be a driver to own a car. any class can spec the points in driving to drive different vehicles but be warned not all of them have the necessary dexterity to make it worth while using tanks and such because they are unable to repair them in the field. (this is something you can worry about later if you are going to use vehicles for combat rather than transport)

Simplely the quad is an awesome piece of kit but dont despair you can buy one usually from players for around $150k. ]

The LE. as a new player KEEP IT IN. learn the game. At around level 30 it starts taking away from your xp and from your cash earned. This is a good thing in the most part because it prevents high level noobs (see my signature) from abusing it too much. HOWEVER it is working absolutely as intended for you the new guy. Its gonna save your ass and you can decide when to remove it if you feel u want to. If you do it cannot be reimplanted past a certain level. be warned. The info should be on the chip (right click and show info on it in your head)

Regards to quests. There are some. Not many. Its not like wow. Its more sandbox. You are free to go off as you please. The "Quests" you will see in game are the faction epic runs (item reward) and the Wisdom of Ceres Gun runs (guns. surprisingly) and one or two others. They are not really worth doing for the XP but are totally worth it for the items. again dont bite off more than you can chew. Decide on what you want from the char and then have a read of tech haven and see if something strikes your fancy and you can organise trying to do that mission. I wont bore you with too much info now.

Finally last question. Simple answer yes you can reset your points. LOM pills. Loss of memory. Sold at taylors biochem stores. (There is one opposite medicare in plaza 1) You buy 1 tablet it has ten uses and removes 5 skill points at a time. It costs xp so you will lose levels potentially. You cannot lom away less than 5 at a time either so if your skill falls below 5 the pill wont work and it wont cost you any xp. If you find you put points in places you didnt want to it is an easy way to reskill and you can "unfuck" your character quickly. I could tell you horror stories of how they used to operate but again too much info too soon.

Finally. Most important point to make. DONT SPEC ENDURANCE. its a waste of a stat in constitution. Avoid it.

Dont forget there is always the help channel. pay attention to it. it will help. be mindful of idiots who think its their own private chat channel for smack talk. they generally talk a lot and know very little. any more help you need pm me here or if im in game just shout up. im happy to give 10 mins of my time to explain a few more bits.

**Vid Gamer** · 19-02-14, 08:06

This is the difference between a game made in 2002 and today. Today, all MMO's are linear, themepark, hand-holding affairs, so when someone genuinely new tries to play a game like Neocron, it's practically impossible.

Luckily, the community both on these forums and in-game are very helpful. Whenever you have a question, use the help chat in-game and more often then not you will have people answering your questions. When I started over again recently I had people just come up to me and give me weapons, armor, money, etc. to help me start out.

It's a very daunting game for a new player and it will take a LONG time to get accustomed to this game, but it's also very rewarding.

**Doc Holliday** · 19-02-14, 08:24

"It's not about the 'new user experience'; in these games the new user experience is utter shit, and it's okay," he said. "There are two lessons people have not learned from Minecraft: Get the game out there and build it. Some kid will put out a video. Players will teach each other. You don't need the 'press A to jump'."

Full Article http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...isc-based-game

I found that particular paragraph amusing given the current thread topic.

**Alduin** · 19-02-14, 10:53

Originally Posted by Vid Gamer

It's a very daunting game for a new player and it will take a LONG time to get accustomed to this game, but it's also very rewarding.

I still remember my first time crawling through the mainsewer, my first time getting lost in the outzone, my first time in the wastelands... this game just felt huge and it still is... there is so much to discover.

**William Antrim** · 19-02-14, 12:22

Dude you found your way to the forum instead of quitting. Best advice right now is to just work it out for yourself where possible and ask where that is not possible. If you need help then post up your questions here and they will be answered in detail, dissected, resuggested, trawled over and argued about, carefully picked apart and then thoughtfully reanswered. All of this will happen in the blink of a cybereye - (or a few hours if its a daytime) - because there is a contingent of this community that is die hard through the core and absolutely loves helping out new players.

You will genuinely find some of the most bipolar players I have ever experienced anywhere in online communities. The degrees of hatred savoured for one another can only be tempered by the desire to help find new people help out in the short term. You will find them the most generous of fellows as you level and then you will have new people to loathe and hate when you cap along with the rest of us.

The combat system in this game is a little daunting but it is bloody brilliant. Sure the graphics are out of date and would probably benefit from some updates but the gameplay is second to none and cannot be replicated by even the most modern games!

**Vid Gamer** · 19-02-14, 13:43

Originally Posted by Alduin

I still remember my first time crawling through the mainsewer, my first time getting lost in the outzone, my first time in the wastelands... this game just felt huge and it still is... there is so much to discover.

Oh man, the first time I logged into the game back in beta 4 I was absolutely mesmerized. The graphics, futuristic cyberpunk art style, the grittiness, and just the overall scope of the game was really amazing. The fact that all of this was designed around a game that was first-person with real time combat was like a dream come true. I'd go so far to say Neocron was way ahead of its time. I thought the city itself was huge, but the first time I left and opened the map I couldn't believe how much there was to explore.

Not to go off into too much of a tangent, but if the game could receive a facelift (huge, if somewhat an impossible endeavor), more areas to level and explore (basically a PvE redo. So many places to go but the "hotspot" areas are the only places to level effectively) and a boost in XP gain across the board would do wonders and continue to attract many new players like the OP.

**zii** · 19-02-14, 21:18

Originally Posted by Frell

I would start this game with gen tank driver in Tangent Technology faction.

I would spend all starting int points to weapon lore.
STR half heavy weapons and oher half transport.
Con 10 points to athletic and rest body health.
Dex 16 points to recycle skill and rest in agility.

I would skip the tutorial and come straight to city to your apartment.
After that i would ask some help in help channel what to do next.

I pretty much did this set-up with all my chars including Spies and PEs. I levelled up their CON and STR quickly in the Plaza2 cellars with a poor grenade launcher.

I don't know if somebody mentioned this before, http://www.techhaven.org/ should be a great port of call, because it's loaded with information and a brillant wiki.

And finally, welcome to this wonderfully frustrating game for life

**William Antrim** · 19-02-14, 22:19

That's the benefit of experience though. You're forgetting that part. He's new don't deny him that experience of learning.

It's like parents who want their child to grow up fast, when they get to 25 and ask you for money towards their wedding then you suddenly wonder where those years went.

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