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    Sounds like people should join clans and make friends for protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strife View Post
    Sounds like people should join clans and make friends for protection.
    A clan can't protect you from having your vehicle griefed. What are people going to do, never go anywhere without a capped escort? At best a clan can retaliate on your behalf.... but this works much better in a ganking scenario than a griefing one where someone is just going to blow up your stuff and run off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faid View Post
    This is no compromise it's an outright exploit against LE'd vehicles. UN-LE'd people can shoot and destroy something that cannot shoot or destroy them back. It's an exploit and it will be abused as an exploit. This is a horrible idea and it's only going to screw things up way more than they already are.

    If the Devs cannot see the problem with this change then I fear we are in for more trouble than we know. I guess it's back to typical KK behaviour. sigh
    Wastelands = Dangerous place non Le'd players can be killed by other players non Le'd cant so wheres the danger for Le'd players apart from mobs???? If a non le'd person is griefing in a zone they can be killed them as you farm but you cant do that to someone with an LE so they should have some sort of downside end of LE'd players should not have a complete shield around them at all times.

    Plus most tanks rolling about are all double logged fools, and sorry to say but its probably easier to farm with a normal car and a weapon since my Rav and Creed both out dmg a rhino... plus the fact Le'd players consistantly block loot on Doomreapers Grim chasers and Grim percy's, I have many a screenshot as I have had this done to me alot! 2 times yesterday and attempted 3 other times infact.

    If you want to solve the issue with expensive vehicles simply give a respawn count depending on the cost of the vehicles IE bike has max 3 spawns a tank has max 6 spawns ie it can be repaired at depo after being destroyed 5 times the 6th time it will be lost completely.

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    Make it cost half the original key price to have a destroyed vehicle recovered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Antrim View Post
    Make it cost half the original key price to have a destroyed vehicle recovered.
    This is about as far from addressing this issue as can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dundonian View Post
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    Plus most tanks rolling about are all double logged fools, and sorry to say but its probably easier to farm with a normal car and a weapon since my Rav and Creed both out dmg a rhino...

    It is not foolish to level barter, resser, conster, driver, APUs, PPUs easy in DEX/INT/ with double logging as driver/repairer same time as you can collect rare parts. What's wrong with this?

    This would be destroyed as an excellent an funny game option to avoid boring Dex/Int levelling.

    Another fail patch which only prolongs the boring levelling of this char types.

    Often simple changes make things more worse in a complex environment, therefore this "simple" patches should be overthought more.

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    Still waiting on the official statement which will probably never come. [edit]
    Last edited by Baldur; 16-03-13 at 20:26. Reason: flame

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    This is starting to remind me of the drone nerf discussions a few months ago.

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    Also, this still sidesteps an issue. Duel logged, LE player in drive seat with 69 VHC and everything else in rep. Non LE player in gunner seat. If attacked, the LE player jumps out snd starts repairing like mad, the Gunner can still continue to fire.
    A Non-LE team can't do this as the gunner would simply shoot the repairing driver.

    LE players and non-LE players shouldn't be allowed to enter the same vehicle. That's the majority of the issues that this change resolves, still resolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas Kell View Post
    Also, this still sidesteps an issue. Duel logged, LE player in drive seat with 69 VHC and everything else in rep. Non LE player in gunner seat. If attacked, the LE player jumps out snd starts repairing like mad, the Gunner can still continue to fire.
    A Non-LE team can't do this as the gunner would simply shoot the repairing driver.

    LE players and non-LE players shouldn't be allowed to enter the same vehicle. That's the majority of the issues that this change resolves, still resolved.
    Your proposed change will also not prevent a LE from repping a Rhino while a non LE is shooting.

    This example shows clearly that there never can be a perfect environment for LE and PvP together.

    We will always have to compromise.

    Your suggested change will separate the players. The opposite is the goal and making LEs buffable by non-LEs shows this (in the patch).

    There will still be LE'd people who will use a Rhino even if it can be attacked now. People will learn to cope with it.

    Everybody will learn to survive in the dangeous wastelands before the gates of the city.

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    Well LE players shouldn't be able to rep a non-LE vehicle either then

    And in my opinion we shouldn't be trying to help LE and non-LE work together. I don't think the LE is doing very well as so many end-gamers use it. I think we should be separating LE users out even more, to encourage people to move off of the LE.

    With this change this just opens up grief though. I'd be much happier if LE users simply couldn't use vehicles. The current change is just going to cause new players who are unaware they are unsafe to spend a lot of money on a vehicle only to get blown up by a bored non-LE user. it wouldn't even need to be a big character, a /30 can rip through a lot of vehicles fairly quickly.
    All this change does is move the grief from affecting non-LE users to affecting LE users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas Kell View Post
    Well LE players shouldn't be able to rep a non-LE vehicle either then

    And in my opinion we shouldn't be trying to help LE and non-LE work together. I don't think the LE is doing very well as so many end-gamers use it. I think we should be separating LE users out even more, to encourage people to move off of the LE.

    With this change this just opens up grief though. I'd be much happier if LE users simply couldn't use vehicles. The current change is just going to cause new players who are unaware they are unsafe to spend a lot of money on a vehicle only to get blown up by a bored non-LE user. it wouldn't even need to be a big character, a /30 can rip through a lot of vehicles fairly quickly.
    All this change does is move the grief from affecting non-LE users to affecting LE users.
    Very nice idea: because LE player with vehicles could be griefed all the time we simply took away the vec option from them :P

    Better way is as described: no LE/ Un-LE mix in vehicles is allowed, then make the rules clear and LE's cannot attack/ cannot be attacked even with vehicles.

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    Doesnt solve LEd parking on dead mobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidhogg View Post
    Look, we're aware of the issue and we're considering it in the wider context of how the LE should work in general. We need some time to think that through, and it isn't being forgotten or ignored.
    Any other absolute gems of ideas we can expect implemented that hasn't been thought through?
    It's all part of the same issue as I see it. We've been told to wait for numerous things (balancing springs to mind) because they tie in to more/bigger aspects of the game and we've been quite accepting of that. Why couldn't this wait as well? I greatly appreciate all the work that is being done by the team, but in future, if you could think things through first, that'd be great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kame View Post
    Doesnt solve LEd parking on dead mobs.
    Except this change just means that unLEd can now park on dead mobs, and just shot any LE vehicles that comes nearby.
    It's not a fix if you are just changing the target of the problem.

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