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    Quote Originally Posted by Lodar
    Take it from someone who has lost an obscene amount of money at roulette, there is no effective strategy. Even the 50/50 outside red or black spins have a way of screwing you when you least expect it. Some people refer to it as 'sods law'. Like Nid says, the house always wins.

    Actually you're wrong. There is one, and only one effective strategy to playing roulette. You have to bet all your money on one color on the first go. Like other says, it doesn't matter if 5000 reds were just rolled, they chance that the next roll is red is the exact same.

    Oh and btw, roulette is never 50/50. You have to take into account the 0 and 00 greens.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexxuk
    Funnily enough, heads or tails is not a 50/50 chance, its a 49/51. Some people with too much time on their hands set up an experiment flipping the coin enough times (about a million or some really weird high number) with a mechanical coin tosser, the eventual results were 49/51 (was a question on QI).

    Tables though usually tell you the "rough" odds when you bet, the odds being how much money you get back if you win.

    Red / Black 2-1
    Top / Middle / Bottom 3-1
    Left / Middle / Right 3-1
    Number 36-1 or whatever the number of numbers is.

    You could try to go red / middle / left which will drop down the odds, but still not in your favour because it could easily go black which means you lose, although if its a black 15 you win.

    Over time though you will lose all your money and end up writing a self help guide on how to quit gambling.
    Then they did not flip a fair coin, pure and simple.
    Whenever I talk about coins or dice or whatever, I am generally talking about fair coins/dice.

    Fair means that all outcomes are equally likely.

    we could use a coin where P(heads) = .51 and P(tails) = .49
    it wouldn't really change much in the long run.
    Oh and btw, roulette is never 50/50. You have to take into account the 0 and 00 greens.
    Thanks, I have almost zero idea of how the roulette wheel is set up, my results were based on the assumption that they were 50/50

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexxuk
    Funnily enough, heads or tails is not a 50/50 chance, its a 49/51. Some people with too much time on their hands set up an experiment flipping the coin enough times (about a million or some really weird high number) with a mechanical coin tosser, the eventual results were 49/51 (was a question on QI).

    Tables though usually tell you the "rough" odds when you bet, the odds being how much money you get back if you win.

    Red / Black 2-1
    Top / Middle / Bottom 3-1
    Left / Middle / Right 3-1
    Number 36-1 or whatever the number of numbers is.

    You could try to go red / middle / left which will drop down the odds, but still not in your favour because it could easily go black which means you lose, although if its a black 15 you win.

    Over time though you will lose all your money and end up writing a self help guide on how to quit gambling.
    plus, odd generally assume infinity afaik, as in, non-measurable in real experiments, just approachable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transformer
    Oh and btw, roulette is never 50/50. You have to take into account the 0 and 00 greens.
    In American roulette, yes. In Europe, we only have single 0. That does change the odds slightly.

    At my last casino night, I found that by spreading my chips around, I could make my money last a good while, but it gets spent in the end. Note the word "spent"; you have to be mentally prepared to "spend" money for a night's entertainment. You will be disappointed if you lose money. Keeping aside a £5 chip to cash in at the end of the night helps to lessen the blow of spending your budget sooner than you thought (and it's your taxi fare home )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoder
    , but it gets spent in the end.

    Exactly. Like I said before, your best odds (although not the most fun) are to put all your money on 1 color and then stop. 1 bet, that is it. After that, the house advantage will run its course.

    With only a single 0 it looks like your advantage increase about 2%.. Just means you get to play longer before losing all your money.

    Remember, there's always exceptions. I'm sure some people can play for 2 hours and get lucky every once in a while, but statistically, what I said give you your best chance.

    Games like blackjack and craps usually yield the best results, but the problem is that it's skill based to an extent. Like my chart before says, a good blackjack player can bring the house advantage down to .2%-.6%

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    After checking out betfair's "zero edge"

    It is incompatible with my strategy, as you HAVE to bet to spin the wheel.

    So i'm sticking with 888.com

    I deposited $71 (£49.60) plus $17 welcome bonus PLUS $50 bonus as I saw a "CREATE YOUR ACCOUNT WITH THE USERNAME CO2FREE AND GET A FREE $50 BONUS ON TOP OF YOUR WELCOME BONUS"

    So altogether starting with $138

    by using this strategy, i'm now at $ 199

    so looking good



    Sticking to a diciplined strategy is REALLY hard...

    Temptation is a cunt, truly... "what if i bet just $5..."

    Still I've been a good boy


    When I get to $300, i'll withdraw $100




    edit: just had my 9th consecutive row appear now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobby
    After checking out betfair's "zero edge"

    It is incompatible with my strategy, as you HAVE to bet to spin the wheel.

    So i'm sticking with 888.com

    I deposited $71 (£49.60) plus $17 welcome bonus PLUS $50 bonus as I saw a "CREATE YOUR ACCOUNT WITH THE USERNAME CO2FREE AND GET A FREE $50 BONUS ON TOP OF YOUR WELCOME BONUS"

    So altogether starting with $138

    by using this strategy, i'm now at $ 199

    so looking good



    Sticking to a diciplined strategy is REALLY hard...

    Temptation is a cunt, truly... "what if i bet just $5..."

    Still I've been a good boy


    When I get to $300, i'll withdraw $100




    edit: just had my 9th consecutive row appear now...
    The odds are loaded in the favor of the house, this is a business.
    Plus, if you are doing it online do you know how easy it is for them to 'tweak' the results to lull you into a false sense of victory then fuck you in ass?

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    yes, however i got an 8 consecutive row on my SECOND row of doing it, which made me think maybe they "Have" to stick by their word of percentage for law's sake.


    I'm gonna take my profit and leave me thinks...




    by the way, how would i find out how many decks of cards 888's blackjack uses?
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    no card counting for Nobby then

    guess i'll practise 40 million times a day until I go to the Real casino again
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    I really hate it when people write "loose" when they really mean "lose". Hate it.

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    Very amateur'ish isn't it Niddy.


    With my AS level in English, I'm very skilled in spelling

    All bad spelling and bad grammar make Nobby a very angry boy ><
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    I'm loving this

    Got to $300, withdrew it all

    Then got a message saying i'd accumilated enough "comp points" to receive the other 75% of my welcome bonus

    So that was $59 more to play with, got that to $100 and withdrew $90

    with my ten to play with, I went on Blackjack, sat using one of those "Basic Strategy cards" and took my $ 10 to $30.

    withdrew all that

    overall $420

    Profit - $349 (£234)


    woot ? ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidhogg
    I really hate it when people write "loose" when they really mean "lose". Hate it.

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    /agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by nobby
    With my AS level in English, I'm very skilled in spelling

    All bad spelling and bad grammar make Nobby a very angry boy ><
    Have you any idea how often you're gonna get quoted on that with your next typo? I'll give it a week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidhogg
    I really hate it when people write "loose" when they really mean "lose". Hate it.

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    I do too, but I can see where it comes from.
    choose, lose

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