This is an outstanding issue that needs addressing. Many haven't reported the issue as they are reaping advantage of the insane damage for fast PVE farming and easy PVP kills
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This is an outstanding issue that needs addressing. Many haven't reported the issue as they are reaping advantage of the insane damage for fast PVE farming and easy PVP kills
I don't see an issue with vehicle damage.
Yes they are powerful - they have to be to attract people. But it's not like they are difficult to acquire, meaning noone is getting an unfair advantage by using them.
All combat vehicles have their weakness' and people just have to adapt and play against them. Not run at a bomber / stand in the open shooting it.
Coordinated groups of players may make them seem OP, but that's because they are a coordinated group of players. Without that coordination & support they are no stronger then the 2-3 people being on foot.
Vehicles add another layer of fun and that's ultimately why we still play, lets not ruin an area of the game.
Whenever I see a rhino or bomber I get excited. If two DPS focus a bomber, the bomber will nearly die even if it immediately starts flying away. Run circles around it, the thing turns slowly. Rhinos are great, but quite easy to kill if you focus them too. Vehicle pvp has been the hightlight of gameplay for me recently. Vehicles are finally viable enough to use. They require specialized characters and a lot of teamwork.
Of course vehicles are going to be used in outdoor (wasteland) PvE. If vehicles did less damage than normal weapons, no one would use them. Rhinos are fucking tanks after all. There is plenty of indoor PvE where vehicles aren't even an option.
BG tried to use bombers against us and we blew both of them up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3w4oHAOlwI
If you can't counter vehicles, you're doing something wrong. If they are so easy to use, why isn't anyone else getting bomber kills? It's literally just me, one person. Get some vehicles and show us how easy it is, we might end up having fun.
Yeah, this is not any kind of issue that needs to be addressed at all currently lmao. Waaaaay more important stuff to focus on.
Sorry man.
You also didn’t see an issue with Kami Damage and tried your hardiest to rally against them being balanced… along with the rest of your clan mates… here’s the link to that https://forum.neocron-game.com/showt...ng-Kami-drones, they have since been balanced correctly.
The vehicle damage currently has an absolute minimum of 2x more DPS than any Weapon available in game, so in both PVE and PVP it only make’s sense to use vehicles currently as anything else is under powered in comparison, this has been noted by many players. Even your man Brendan agree's it's an issue as above. Not saying needs to be addressed as a priority Brendan i've made it clear there are far more game breaking issues to solve... and i dont mean a big light saber lol.
You've failed to say what you think the issue is. How do you expect it to be addressed when you're not clearly and concisely advising what you think it wrong, and how you feel it could be rectified?
'many' haven't reported. Perhaps 'many' don't think it's an issue, just you?
"The vehicle damage currently has an absolute minimum of 2x more DPS than any Weapon available in game" They have a higher survivability than any runner in game has that goes hand in hand with the extra damage making it overpowered.
Maybe you should take some time to educate yourself on balancing Mal.
The only argument you have is it's "Fun".... funny how you never found them fun before the damage was a minimum of 2x more powerful than any weapon available to anyone on foot. You should spend efforts on learning to coordinate single target weapons more effectively in your clan as you should be able to with 3-4 guys.
No they don't these vehicles i am referring to can be piloted and gunned by one runner. The bomber pilot can also drop the bombs, and that vehicle specifically has 4x DPS output than that of any weapon available lol. You are clutching at straws to try and find justification for an area that is currently unbalanced. Vehicle's have never been this way in neocron and have never supposed to be.
Now you really are showing your lack of knowledge on the subject. No bombing vehicle allows the pilot to drop bombs. Bombing involves 2 people, skill & coordination.
You already admitted on discord you have no interest in participating in vehicle PvP - please don't try to ruin it for those who enjoy it because you cba to counter it / don't have the back up to take one on.
Just trying to get a more balanced game. Regardless if it take's 2 guys that doesnt justifty the vehicle DPS being 5 time's higher than any weapon in game with a higher survivibility than any runner. Currently the weapons are obsolete in comparison to vehicles due to the differences in damage. This is apparent in both PVP & PVE. I've seen a runner saying the other day about how he was farming firemobs with his cannon and players just told him straight up your doing it wrong... you need to use a rhino because of the increased damage.. So now runners are more restricted in play styles when it comes to both elements unless they want to choose the less effective path
There are two bombers, the main DOY bomber and a glider that drops bombs, both require bomber and pilot, latter leaves the players vulnerable to attack as its open top like any other Glider. So much for your 200+ hours of VHC testing...
Bombers are slow, hard to manoeuvrer and require team co-ordination, a single bomber going to an OP with no eyes on the ground will fail... BG proved that when they sent two bombers at us when they had no ground troops attacking, which we made a video of and posted... BG have also fended off a single bomber at Cycrow that we sent without a problem.
As you are so predictable by attacking from the UG and getting bombed then you will of course die and we will keep hovering over the entrance because you are predictable - the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting the same result - famous quote there Bob, you could learn a thing or two from it.
Rubbish... VHC will always be more powerful than hand weapons, isn't that the point? Players have the choice whether to invest in a VHC or not.. its a choice, ofc using a rhino is preferred over using cannons, but they are expensive, costly to maintain if you don't repair and can get easily overwhelmed if you do not have separate players driving and gunning.
I attacked a Rhino at El Farid the other day with 3-4 clan mates, no PPU.. PE, APU and hybrid, it had to leave... it could not kill us as we used cover and flanked it, not that difficult really.
VHC dps has been put to a level where it's useable again, pre patch you could out DPS any VHC which is ridiculous...
[Edited] Before the Kami nerf your clan were big users of kami drones. Since they have been balanced not at all. You then switched to the Woc Launchers as they were also overpowered 2 hits killing any unbuffed character... This has now been balanced and you have all stopped using it as usual as you can no longer exploit the damage. The one exploitable area remaining is vehicles.. and you are trying your hardest to justify why it's not overpowered. Regardless if it takes 2 runners or not, that does not justify it doing 5x minimum increase over the highest hitting weapon. This needs to be addressed as currently weapons /normal pvp is obsolute compared to a vehicle which has much higher survivability than any combat character and has the ability to cause significantly more damage and also from more of a distance. VHC can be more powerfull than hand weapons i can agree on that... but it shouldn't be 5x more powerful than the highest hitting weapon in game lol
Which is it? You seem to be increasing their dmg with each new post. I think it's best you get these "many" other runners to come and post. If the community as a whole thinks it needs a nerf I'd happily submit.
However I very much suspect it's you just wanting to nerf an area you personally don't like.
Those factors are relevant to vehicle that can be piloted and gunned by 1 runner and the other 2 runners. Just like to point out that the only members commenting about not wanting it a balanced are all from the one clan that is exploting the damage for their personal benefit. All Bad Dragon members who have changed clan name to "Rekt". Unfortunately in all games you always get the little toxic group of kiddys that like to exploit areas that are overpowered. Those well versed in pvp haven't touched them as they were not intended for that.. they are only being exploited now for it because of the damage irregularities
Bob - if you're having the revert to flaming and name-calling, rather than defending your point, then your point just isn't a very strong one.
No flaming intended... Apologies if any offense was taking from that post... I was just providing awareness off the group off individuals that are replying to this thread :)
But if you're attacking the individuals, rather than the points they're raising, it gives the impression that your premise isn't particularly strong.
I wondered how long till that argument came up. All your points end up with you posting that kami thread and complaining that a whole clan has a different view from you. So what if all players commenting are from a single clan? They still make up a larger proportion of the community then you and your clan, are their views not valid because they are in a clan you personally don't like?
At this point in the thread it's only you wanting this change. Don't act like you don't have your own agenda - everyone does.
You'd rather not actually try to counter / test vehicles though, whereas others in the community have.
There is no point's to defend... The damage is too high.. the 2 person bomber is hitting with 5x higher DPS than any weapon available in game. The vehicle also has higher resists, can shoot from a further distance, and doesn't have to land a direct hit on the target.. he doesn't even have to achieve a reticle lock just simply click near to the target and the AOE effect of the bomb drop does the rest.
Please watch the following video.
It shows 1 person take down a bomber with just a rav.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3w4oHAOlwI
Whats your point? The vehicle has higher resists than any combat character and higher damage output and higher range. You are desperately clutching at straws showing a video of 2 tanks constantly attacking a bomber with a Ravager and Rocket launcher in which any combat character would have been dead in 1/4 of that time taking the same hits. Lol thanks
How many times did the wocket actually hit and not fly past it?
If the bomber was as OP as you claim it would have killed them. Instead 2 bombers were destroyed.
All they had to do was run around whilst 1 person delivered constant dps.
Lol you are missing the point in hand... The ravager was not missing shots, any combat character would have died in 1/4 of that time and has a DPS output less than 5x of a bomber. Man you must be running out of straws to grasp at lol. You should a video where the vehicles were poorly used... It's like getting a video of a Tank using CS who cant aim his target and saying "hey this CS is too weak" lol guys like you are the reason for poor balanced areas of the game. As you come with self centered biased opinions to support play-styles you like to exploit regardless if they are balanced. One the many reasons we have less activity from Op fighting clans than in the past..
Just to get the Elephant in the Room out of the way.
Understandably this is a game, so it has its own take on reality - however, in reality, bombers and tanks and the suchlike are not balanced with human infantry and are capable of doing massive amounts of damage if people don't work as a team in order to neutralise them.
I'm still fuzzy on what your suggested 'fix' is. With the points you're raising, it almost feels like it's being suggested that all do the same damage and have the same sort of durability as a player's character? That would be rather ludicrous.
It doesn't matter how many time you claim I'm clutching at straws - it won't make it right.
As you have identified in your last post, you need skill & coordination to pull off using a bomber. Until now you have been implying that any old chump could jump in and dominate the wastes.
Also comparing a bombers HP with a runners is ridiculous. The bomber can be hit from like 25% of the zone at any time and it the biggest model in the game, if it was comparable to a runner it'd be dead LONG before it gets anywhere it's bombing range.
It's bombing range is also something you are overstating.
Also attacking rekless for no OP fighting clans is pointless, clans come and go this is NC. There are many factors which come into play. I'd be just as justified to claim GP made them quit. Noone from those clans is going to chip in to correct you and know it.
Im not getting involved in your flame war but I just would like to ask if the Anti Vehicle launchers are still in game? If they are do they work?
It seems like this thread has gone from vehicles need to be nerfed to bombers need to be nerfed. To the casual observer (me) it looks like it is bombers that need to be nerfed (in one opinion) whereas regular ground vehicles dont?
If its the case of open cockpit vehicles (trike etc) then you can still target the driver so i think this is ok right?
In the case of the rhino - its a fucking tank - of course it should outdamage a man with a creed on his shoulder. For many years it didnt have this ability and you would get LE'd creed tanks ruining rhino farming which took two people to do (characters) over the one guy on foot. I think this is also a good thing that this has now changed. If one person on foot wants to take down a tank they need an antivehicle launcher in my eyes.
Same for the flying vehicles, fall damage alone should kill the pilot so you can just get yourself a decent SAM launcher and ruin that fuckers day bob? Isnt this the best way? Dont get mean, get even. :)
If memory serves we used to get the AV launchers in MB. I havent logged in in a while but I think this is the best thing for it no?
Certainly i think it solves your arguments.
It's right and the evidence is in this thread lol. I just gave the reason why the video you provided was a flawed example nothing about skill required. The main issue in hand is the damage out put of the Bomber josh being 5x that of any weapon available in game.