Is a semi-hybrid possible today?

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25-02-14, 19:33
hudsonbeck

Is a semi-hybrid possible today?

It's been years since I've been in-game and I have no idea of all the changes and such. So I ask, in today's configuration of NC, is it feasible to be a primarily APU with some PPU abilities. If so, what level PPU spells is best to shoot for?
In the past I remember each had a negative effect on the other... Increasing PPU decreased apu. But things have changed so much since I last played... Even the PPU spells are different.

Thanks for the input and hope to maybe start playing again although it appears Saturn and everything else is gone so I guess I will be starting from 0/2 a cross the board.
25-02-14, 19:54
William Antrim

no hybrids are gone im afraid. Done and dusted a long time ago.

Monks generally are the most broken class currently. Apu is good for levelling and general PVE, PPU is obviously still good for op fighting and everything else but takes an age to level unless you go apu first and lom.

Saturn went at the end of NC1, circa September 2005.

Probably best to start over from scratch in terms of everything and pick it back up as you go along.

P.s Welcome back - always good to see an old player return. If you need any help getting started just look for my clan tag or me in game.
25-02-14, 20:09
hudsonbeck

Thanks. I always enjoyed the monk class and mostly prefer solo or small group when leveling or farming. The hybrid allowed that which I enjoyed. Never really liked playing PPU . I wish they would have found a way to 'balance' them.
Not sure what I'll do at this point. I don't know if I can stomach the grind on another class.

I'm sorry... Not sure why I said Saturn. I guess it was just a flashback from the good old days of Saturn and Pluto. I believe the last server I played was terra or something. I guess those are all gone and there is just Titan?
25-02-14, 22:03
Ivan Eres

There have been many changes after all these years. The APU is not the fire & forget class/profession anymore now. Even the APU has to aim properly nowadays and keep LoS. If you enjoy that class you can still try it.
It is possible but since it's a very weak class you will have to hide a lot in the beginning.
If you have a friend who can play the baby PPU counterpart it's a lot of fun tho! I got 2 accs so I dual logged and supported myself while leveling both simultanously but thats quite difficult :)

Others spec some ppu in the beginning to support themselves until they can get some armor (especially the deflector belt) and use the nanite heal tool (another new thing). It's a fact that 99,99% of the people who want a PPU level as an APU to lom to PPU later, so it is possible of course to level that way. But as William said, a hybrid playstyle has not been possible for a long time now. That was before my time.

There are also other classes/professions who can support themselves rather well alone in the field. I like a hc Tank as a starting class cause it's a strong class, very independent, and okay to make some good money. Especially with the grenade launcher, and the laser cannon. If you are not into close combat a Droner is more suitable and quite easy to play, while making lots of money.

The people in game will be happy to help you out, providing guidance, resources, and trade skilling. Just ask on help or trade and they will be there. If they don't answer immediately you should keep asking, somebody will help you for sure.

Have fun :)
25-02-14, 22:31
Divide

Hybrids can't work because APUs dont. When APUs are functional again, you can be certain hybrids are around the corner.
25-02-14, 23:35
William Antrim

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Originally Posted by Divide

Hybrids can't work because APUs dont. When APUs are functional again, you can be certain hybrids are around the corner.

In all brutal honesty, if the DPM balancing according to TL actually works accurately then there is no reason why the APU/PPU malus should stay in existence.

In that perfect world you could have Blessed Hybrids again as their defence should theoretically be akin to a PEs defence.

The big issue would be having PSI based armour vs Strength based armour. If they continued with PSI based armour then they would be as impregnable as the old hybrids with blessed buffs on top of high end armour. However if you included dex based armour for PEs and Spies (to counterbalance that PSI based armour) with equivalent bonuses then the average PE and Spy would far outclass the hybrid due to the higher damage output with an equivalent defence.

It would depend entirely on how you managed the armour I guess.

I would like to see hybrids make a return however, purely because it just gives another element to the pvp dynamic.
25-02-14, 23:59
Dropout

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

I would like to see hybrids make a return however, purely because it just gives another element to the pvp dynamic.

Yeah I would LOVE if they brought back hybrids (not that I would play one - I need my sweet, sweet guns :p ).
It was very enjoyable to fight them pre-2.2 (although without bringing shitbuffing back, they hopefully wont be as powerfull as back then lol).
26-02-14, 17:26
Gunshifty

Not sure why everyone is telling him that Hybrids don't work.. Cause they do, they just don't work the same way they used to. A PA swapping monk is viable, may not be the case in PvP, but they are perfectly viable from a PvE standpoint. @Hudsonbeck, a PA swapping monk is a monk that carries both PPU PA and APU PA in order to cast certain spells. You'll be able to cast Fire Apoc (rare) as well as Holy Shields (non-rare ones). It's possible, but you'll hafta go play with nskill ;)
27-02-14, 02:13
Torg

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Originally Posted by Gunshifty

Not sure why everyone is telling him that Hybrids don't work.. Cause they do, they just don't work the same way they used to.

what gunshifty says. checking imps and setups at lower levels should be fun, too. its just that "monk-o-cron" is gone, and will never come back.
27-02-14, 15:51
William Antrim

Sorry but I don't call that viable. I call it masochistic. Pa-swapping. Please just no.
27-02-14, 16:46
Gunshifty

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

Sorry but I don't call that viable. I call it masochistic. Pa-swapping. Please just no.

Message for those not named William Antrim, please note how -------- someone has to be if they can't simply take one PA off and put one PA on. [sarcasm] Oh dear, it's SO HARD TO DO, OMG PLEASE NO! You're telling me I have to click and drag something from one box to another box?? And then omg omg omg, I have to drag a different item from that same box, into that other box?! I can't handle this.. and shucks, I really wanted to play a hybrid, but it's just too hard to do.. [/sarcasm]

followed by -> /set kill_self 1

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We could argue all day long if we wanted to about the word "viable" and how it applies to Neocron. But let's not.

Don't discredit it unless you've tried it. And don't cry about PA-swapping, there are plenty of other things to complain about other than PA-swapping.
27-02-14, 18:14
William Antrim

HAHA

What a terrible post.

The masochism comes from needing extra transport to carry two pas, the weight of them and the lack of Piercing/Force due to said transport.

The fact that you then have to pay out for two valuable items when you can lose them on death and just the fact that you are pa-swapping every few minutes is annoying to me.

Your sarcasm is a pathetic attempt at something. I am not sure what exactly because all youre doing is getting yourself in trouble further.

Alternatively you could follow Mark Twains advice and say silent. :)

To the OP - if you think its viable to do the above then be my guest. My opinion is that its just a shit idea. This is a forum, a place to exchange opinions in a polite and genteel manner.

This is mine.

Thanks for yours Gunshifty. :)
27-02-14, 18:40
Gunshifty

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Antrim

What a terrible post.

Personal attack on my opinion noted. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Antrim

The masochism comes from needing extra transport to carry two pas, the weight of them and the lack of Piercing/Force due to said transport.

You make it sound like we have 50 clips of ammo we need to carry around. You're a monk, you can buff yourself to get more transport if you want. I'm pretty sure OP has the brains and intelligence to realize that there are buffs which give you transport, namely, Support Booster 3. And if you read my post above, you'd realize that you can use Holy Shields (non rares), which implies that you can also cast Support Booster 3.

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

The fact that you then have to pay out for two valuable items when you can lose them on death and just the fact that you are pa-swapping every few minutes is annoying to me.

There are ways of obtaining items besides paying for them. Finding a barter to help you purchase items is even one route. Trading is another. It isn't that bad as William says it is. The whole PA-swapping is annoying to William, and that's fine, it's his opinion.

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

Your sarcasm is a pathetic attempt at something. I am not sure what exactly because all youre doing is getting yourself in trouble further.

My "attempt" at sarcasm was to poke fun at how much you seem to complain about the slightest things without directly saying it to you, William Antrim. The whole sarcasm post is an example of how a ridiculous it sounds for a player who wants to play hybrid, but can't due to some minor thing stopping them. The whole point is of this thread is that OP wants to play a hybrid. The difficulty of swapping a PA doesn't rest with you, it OP's (original poster's) decision to use it. Again, don't knock until you try it.

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

Alternatively you could follow Mark Twains advice and say silent.

Clearly, you're allowed to personally attack me. Maybe Nidhogg doesn't get the reference, but basically for everyone else reading this, you're telling me to "stfu". Which is fine :) Go ahead and personally attack me. As stated by the single word located under your forum Name, you're a "Nobody".

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

Thanks for yours Gunshifty.

You're welcome. Hopefully this time you can follow my post. I made it extremely easy to show how each talking point relates to your post.
27-02-14, 19:30
hudsonbeck

Thanks guys. I really appreciate strong discussion on both sides. It helps the decision process when you have information from many perspectives.

And don't worry, I'm it one to bitch if things get a little off topic and ask for the thread to be closed. Everything is related in some way and it's just nice to see discussion and interaction on the forum!

:)
27-02-14, 21:24
William Antrim

Lol glad to be able to help dude. Ignore the other guy.
27-02-14, 22:24
Gunshifty

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

Lol glad to be able to help dude. Ignore the other guy.

You didn't really help, you were the one who flat out said no-way to hybrids.
27-02-14, 23:37
William Antrim

Lol ....
28-02-14, 19:48
Doc Holliday

without wanting to fuel the sxr witch hunt prevalent in this thread i must say if the only way to make a viable hybrid was to pa switch i wouldnt bother either.

i have been playing around trying to find a set up for a private eye using the swat rifle (woc) and not wearing a pa. It essentially meant two mc5 chips in my head and having to relog after every GR jump to get them both activated. Even drugs wouldnt work to activate the chips properly due to the decimal stuff. Another option would have potentially been to put on and then remove the woc pa in order to activate said chips properly. The entire point of not wearing the pa was to save on the risk of dropping it and also because i have always disliked pe pa since its inception.

In light of this i would not want to piss around with PA swapping either so i do support what william said.
28-02-14, 23:07
William Antrim

I guess if youre stood still in the boxes at regants then you can swap out your pas and not really have any issue as you are just effectively standing there and farming the crawlers and sluggers.

However if you are out in the real world somewhere, having to travel and the like then in my mind its not worth it. I guess having seen one of the SXR hybrids doing that in the last few days that seems to be doable.

However, the amount of times he died recently just seemed to make it look like an exercise in futility to me. Coupled with the expense of replacing said PAs I am still gonna stick with my original diagnosis.
13-03-14, 23:33
Castr0

Allow psi3 selfcast and I'll do an hybrid whith whom I can fight properly !
But without psi3, it's worthless.
13-03-14, 23:50
Dropout

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castr0

Allow psi3 selfcast and I'll do an hybrid whith whom I can fight properly !
But without psi3, it's worthless.

PSI3 as selfcast would help A LOT, yeah.
15-03-14, 18:15
Gunshifty

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

However, the amount of times he died recently just seemed to make it look like an exercise in futility to me. Coupled with the expense of replacing said PAs I am still gonna stick with my original diagnosis.

Coming from the guy who "benefits the game" and "does things to help others, behind the scenes" clearly you don't. Please try and understand the meaning of this post. OP asked if hybrids were possible, I said that they were good in some ways, bad in others. Besides you and Doc consistently complaining about the game, and not having the balls to deal with it, you just never seem to want to help out others. Just because the character dies, doesn't mean it's not a viable option.

And PSI3 Combat booster would help a lot, especially in the hybrid conversation.
15-03-14, 19:20
William Antrim

Rofl. Someone's a bit mad perhaps. I see more 17th posting and quoting me a lot today. No need for flames. Like I said in the other thread. We have a difference of opinion. Doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong.

P.s quote me complaining please I'd love to see that. :)
15-03-14, 22:39
I See Blue

"I got bored because pvp in nc is dying. The quality fights we used to have are gone now.

There arent enough people to sustain the quality of pvp I want. There arent enough fights, too much downtime, a plethora of other reasons. "

" I want good quality pvp. Not zoneline hugging, not 11 ppus and 5 fighters. Not any of the other stuff that has happened in nc pvp of late. I want a balanced pvp experience."

Both are from Recruit the Noobs.

Sounds like complaining about the game to me
15-03-14, 22:59
William Antrim

Lol that's stating a fact and this is a different thread. Here in the forum we exchange ideas. This one is about hybrids not personal attacks on someone who clearly pissed you off today. :)

Try to stay on topic at least please.
15-03-14, 23:07
I See Blue

Oh, so now it�s just this thread? How about some consistency? Why doesn�t the other threads count? You asked for complaints, I showed them to you. This is the second time you complain about me quoting you or me from another thread.

Yeah, I am getting bored of you. But now because of your wit or good reasoning. It�s your negativity and repetative posts. Angry, pissed etc, not really.

Fools should be pitied, not hated. They usually don�t realise what a burden they are to others.

As to topic, switching PA takes seconds, same as restocking you stam boosters, getting more ammo from a gogo etc. It isn�t an impossible thing to do. Just makes things a bit harder. I know you don�t like making an effort, you�ve shown that before. But don�t tell others they shouldn�t bother, just because you can�t deal with it.
16-03-14, 16:49
William Antrim

Personal attacks do nothing for credibility.

On the subject at hand - I offer my opinions. The thread starter knows enough about opinions and facts to know the difference and make his own choice. That is the entire point of the thread. I gave my opinion, others gave theirs. As people in 17th dont like my opinions you TRY to do your best to have a go at my opinions. You dont need to pick this thread to start making more personal attacks about fools and all of the other crap you keep flinging. I dont mind if you continue, it just makes you look like even more of an asshat tbh. By not stooping so low I make myself out to look like the better man. Thats all that happened here today.

As for complaints/rage/whatever else. If i repeated the same thing over and over in a whiny way I would concur. As I have not done that and am not doing that I find this argument to be flat at best.

As for the subject of crossposting - no thats not allowed - part of the forum rules.
17-03-14, 18:49
kazvall

Damn, can't have one thread without flaming now.

My two cents is that hybrid is pointless. You can't cast psi combat booster on yourself. I tried it recently thinking I could maybe use rares of both with armor swapping. Not even possible. To get the base focusing to 83, it's not possible to wear any sort of armor, while getting anywhere close to 140 in apu or ppu. Just don't do it !
17-03-14, 21:56
Gunshifty

Just want to address this before staying on topic:

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Antrim

On the subject at hand - I offer my opinions. The thread starter knows enough about opinions and facts to know the difference and make his own choice. That is the entire point of the thread. I gave my opinion, others gave theirs. As people in 17th dont like my opinions you TRY to do your best to have a go at my opinions. You dont need to pick this thread to start making more personal attacks about fools and all of the other crap you keep flinging. I dont mind if you continue, it just makes you look like even more of an asshat tbh. By not stooping so low I make myself out to look like the better man. Thats all that happened here today.

William, after your 3500+ posts, I believe everyone knows your opinions and where you stand by now.. that is if anyone wants to read your "opinions". Your "opinion" on this thread was basically something like this: hybrids don't work, aren't viable, PA's are too heavy, no such thing. . . . -wow... you sir, have great ideas and "opinions", (begin sarcasm) real beneficial to the community. (/end sarcasm)

Now for the actual subject at hand, and in reply to kazvall, saying that hybrids are pointless is pretty much on the same wavelength as: Regant Melee Power Armor for Private Eye's. I mean one can not even begin to go into the abyss of pointless things that is Neocron. And yeah, it sucks that you can't cast Psi combat booster on yourself, but I think it was at the attempt for the game dev's not to make the class overpowered.. Maybe they'll fix that with the balancing patch? The PA swapping definitely works without drugs, and again, it is possible to make a hybrid in today's game. It's nothing like the old hybrids of years ago, but such a thing, still exists :)

edit: forgot about the classic pointless: Long Laser Blade Ultima mods
17-03-14, 22:10
brand

pa switch hybrid might work because you can use all the rare shields and apu spells. but then you have to keep being buffed and switch your pa all the time for that. think it s a bit annoying. without pa switch i don t think blessed shield would make you survive for a long time and i doubt non rare apu spells would do enough dmg.

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