LE has no place in the world of neocron.
a) remove it completely from the game
or
b) make the players take it of at certain lvl.
Just DO IT
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LE has no place in the world of neocron.
a) remove it completely from the game
or
b) make the players take it of at certain lvl.
Just DO IT
I'm sympathetic to the players who enjoy Neocron apart from the PvP so I personally believe the LE chip will always have a place. Sadly most posts that deal with changes to the LE are like yours and contain nothing of substance. The Nike slogan is not as compelling of an argument as you might think it is. Though you avoided using the word 'carebear' so kudos for that.
However, that the vast majority of leveling players have it in for so long is pretty lame. As it stands now I am doing epics outside of my intended faction and have no need for the fourth brain implant so there is literally no motivation to take it out which is unfortunate. I'd really like to see something like a 15% XP boost for characters without LE in order to encourage players to cut the cord early.
What about making the LE work only in certain zones?
It's a bit silly to think that chip works everywhere :)
Wow another one of these threads... Isn't this considered trolling by now? Or do you Devs over there currently have plans to remove the LE all together because it "has no place in the world of Neocron"?
*Sigh* Another one..
The only thing that should be done to LE's, is to add a XP malus to the LE, like Jest said.
Don't feed the troll's..
Forcing runners to pvp is not the solution.
Rewarding runner for the risk of being Pk'ed would be good.
Like in ultima online. Resource, money and xp gains were double in pvp world. ( In UO you could travel to pvp world via gates in game ).
Sorry if you feel this is trolling.. LE is more abused by experienced players than it is used by totally new players. People use LEd characters to farm techs and mc5. Dont want to force anyone to pvp who dont want to but you should be able to fight for that kind of loot.
Then there is le droners who pull load of mobs and drop the agro on you etc. LEd characters are used for scouting..which is also lame. There is many many reasons why it should be removed or atleast removed from high lvl players.
No need for "sigh" replies.. This is not trolling. The game would be better with all the random pvp or the fear of gettin shot when farming or whatever.
With the amount of anti LE threads there has been lately there is indeed reason to "sigh". Just take a look yourself..
I do agree that there should be some limits, since it is true that some players use LE's for Things that is borderline exploiting.
Juppe this is the substance that your original post was lacking. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Juppe
I think the comment about having the right to fight for top end loot is a fair one. Having a single area that provides top end implants that must be shared with the entire server is just insane to me. Restricting LE players from entering Mc5 seems like a fair option. I would guess that literally every single LEd person in Mc5 is farming for their non-LEd characters. Show me a single person who farms Mc5 exclusively for their LE characters and I might change my mind. :P
The mob agro would fall under the same category as an LEd character hacking your warbot. It sucks to be powerless against someone taking advantage of game mechanics to be a dick, but such is life. The solution is to get less people to keep the LE in, not to get rid of it.
Scouting with an LE character is just as pathetic as hacking the game imo. It is admitting that you need an edge in order to win against your opponents. But this could not be prevented short of removing the LE from the game completely which won't happen.
In my opinion still, the LE should only work in designated areas and MC5 would not be one of them :)
*checks calendar* Yep, its that time of the year already again.
I pvp'd when I played neocron before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juppe
Currently I have my LE in and it will stay in for quite a while.
No I don't mind dying but all I see on help/ooc/trade is one bunch of pvper whine about another bunch of pvpers all night long "you aoed the UG, you zone whore, you clipper etc etc etc"
It reminds me of when I watched wrestling as a child, 9 parts actors talking shit to 1 part fighting.
So please explain why anyone who isn't a masochist wants to join the current group of pvpers.
No place for an LE but plenty of place for incessant whining? that's not the neocron I remember/enjoy
Because PVP is fun, and you can just turn off OOC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternal Pink
Yes I remember it being fun but for one clan to whine at another clan for the couple of hours i'm online i'm thinking they are either whiners or not having fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropout
Neither group i'm in a hurry to join.
I do agree that there is a huge part of the PVP community that are hugely immature. But honestly, I just ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternal Pink
EDIT: Im not in any Clan atm though ;)
Ignoring them is a good option
Just not playing with them is another good option (hence the LE)
When I find peeps I do actually wanna pvp with (both with and against) since I wont have to endure several hours of whining/gloating as they'll be reasonable adults like myself I'll pop it.
If it stayed in OOC then I'd agree but short of turning off every global channel you are stuck listening to the self entitled masses whining that the enemy doesn't live up to their expectations of what a fair fight should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropout
There is an ignore function aswell ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jest
I personally use it for the most annoying ones (Tino).
I think the whining you talk about is what happens after OP fights..or if someone hurt their ego at p2.
i havent noticed any whining after random pvp encounters in the wastelands..that is what i want more in neocron.
that is a little off topic tho..
I would like le removed at certain lvl so people couldnt abuse it..or maybe some kind of restriction with the le like some have suggested.
The true tragedy of the LE is that PvP doesn't happen before cap. Just like the game seeks to balance PvP, so should the game seek to balance the true purpose of the LE. The LE represents a way for new players to learn the game risk free. And it represents a way for those who want to enjoy Neocron in ways other than PvP. That the vast majority of LEd players do not fall under either of those categories shows to me that we have a severe imbalance that should be addressed just as strongly as if there was an overpowered item in PvP.
So this third category we all fall under is?
Abuse it how? since surely any abuse of the game a LE'd can do a non-LE'd could do the only dif is you might be able to kill the person for it which sounds like a work around, a solution would be to remove the method of abuse.Quote:
I would like le removed at certain lvl so people couldnt abuse it..or maybe some kind of restriction with the le like some have suggested.
ok.
let the players decide.
make a new server for manly PvP only. forget about the LE. call this server of glory.... "Neptune"
everyone goes there. or not. problem solved.
Experienced players who will eventually take the LE out to join a clan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternal Pink
I'd like to see it removed only so FF cant use LE characters to park quads on bodies so people cant res during an op fight.
Meh, the LE is shit, divedes the community and destroys a large and fun part of the game. Everyone who played without LE or in the good old times knows that.
Discussing this topic is nearly impossible on this forum though, since every time some LE whiteknights come and talk about stuff they clearly have no idea about and jerk each other off.
So unless the Devs want to change the situation, we're stuck with OP fights that depend on fairness and lack any kind of rp and the lame crap that is p2. As for PvE we're stuck with either leaving our LE in, depending on fairness regarding all the little tricks and exploits, or we take it out and depend even more on fairness.
And actual ingame rp (that is not a few mature men using NC as chat client to tell each others stories) won't happen as well.
So true. (I hope they got banned for that by now ...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Strife
But back on topic, I support the idea of making the LE not work in certain zones. Warzones being one of them.
Then dickwads can't park quads on bodies anymore, or rhino's at OP entrances to block it off, or scout / spot the attacking clan without risk of being killed, ...
Do I need to continue listing ways in which the LE is being abused right now? So far I've only mentioned PVP, but we all know that there are plenty of ways in which the LE can be abused in PVE too.
I don't want to see the LE disappear, but something must be done to reduce the abuse because it actually holds back the development of the game as well.
Every time someone sends screenshots or a video of someone else who is abusing, the devs have to spend precious development time to investigate.
Im in agreement with the OP.
Im sick and tired of the LE and people who hide behind it till woc 7 and do all kinds of lamo shit that people do in this game. Im slowly moving away from neocron again because for me the community has changed a lot and the LE has a lot to do with it.
From the aforementioned LE droners laming mc5 and all kinds of other crap to the real lack of pvp to be had within the game im finding myself turning slowly to other games for a fix of some digital mayhem. BF3 currently is my drug of choice and we as a clan have had many a discussion about different games.
This is not a leaving post (like so many others i have made before) but i am being honest its pushing me away. Before long i fear that a person without an LE will be looked at like a unicorn. A mythical creature.
I hope for a time when the proposed changes argued so many times are actually implemented and that the balancing project is in full swing and some of the fucking morons who fucked it up on this forum last time are ignored in order to balance neocron properly and completely.
When those days come i will give you 25 hours a day 8 days a week but as it is now i will become a spectator for the most part and come hang out with the guys in my clan when i feel like it.
Because you all refuse to listen to me :)
I'd really like to suggest that everyone writes their own topic with ideas because blurting every idea into one thread is to confusing.
Let me attempt to address some concerns here.
Personally I have stepped back from this thread initially, to see where the discussion goes. While it is frustrating for everyone when "this" thread crops up again and again, it does often give us some valuable input. While the original post is not what we look for in the brainport, the posts since then are very valuable.
To put it simply, we are aware of the impact the Law Enforcer is having on the game. We are evaluating (and have been for some time) a ton of options in order to improve this feature. The total removal of this feature is not one of them.
We are moving as quickly as we can regarding this with the resources we have, as you can expect, there are a significant number of variables and view points we need to consider.
Originally we were going to implement changes step by step, as was evident with the improvements to PPU support, and the since back-tracked changes to the vehicle rule set. Clearly this method of delivering improvements in this area was not favoured by the community (I am aware part of this is down to the actual changes, not their delivery).
If you have an idea on addressing this feature, please create an individual brainport thread. This is incredibly helpful when it comes to quickly analysing your thoughts - and discussing them internally - on any matter. It prevents potentially great ideas from being lost among what can be lengthy discussions.
Hopefully we can share more Soon™.
Don't remove it, but high level chars should really only get the chance to cap in areas where the LE does not work.