You know you wanna, nuff said really.
Any other way to reach this result is good also.
Plaza 2 sucks to fight and everyone knows it!
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You know you wanna, nuff said really.
Any other way to reach this result is good also.
Plaza 2 sucks to fight and everyone knows it!
I'd like the name and address of the person that changed it in the first place. i'd like to write a strongly worded letter.
Well the idea was that it'd make plaza pvp interesting but with all the copbots and the shitty zoneline from p1 to p2 in hindsight p3 to pp1 was a lot more fun to fight at.
I would prefer that solution (instead of a safezone). The proposal is sound, Plaza should be relativly save to walk, not a combat zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britney
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Originally Posted by Britney
sadly people are still gonna zoneline whore p3/pp1. its just as bad as p2. However to see people actually fighting in pepper park would be nice.
It also brings a bit more of a roleplay athmosphere to it cause BD and TS used to really fight over there to keep the enemies out (and eachothers operations at bay)Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Theres numerous relatively small things that have backfired in the past in NC and the removal of the safezones was one of those, it just wasn't worked out too well and the endresult was that dreadfully boring p2 fighting.
To be honest, PP2/PP3 is where the fight needs to be at! Those zones provide multi-level surfaces where fights can take place (i.e. ramps, higher levels, places where droners can function). The theme of Pepper Park gives it that feeling of "holy shiiii this place is dangerous". PP1 fighting is "alright" at best. P2 just blows.
PP2 & PP3 all day every day.
The pvp community is screaming for pepper park fights with no interruption from npcs. Changing plaza to safezone can make this a reality. devs respond to the community please.
Agreed, I had some fights a few days ago there with/against Gunshifty. 2 tanks + droner vs 2 PEs + spy, no PPUs.
I think I speak for all involved hen I say we had a great time, and that we'd wish this could happen more often.
the pussy club and the other club in pp3 are safe zones. You can just go there if you want to fight in PP more.
That's true and a good thing. the last time we pushed for fights in pp1 there was a problem. they placed copbots at the entrance of club v. Molten said it was maintain the order of the city. i told him that it was ruining pvp and that roleplay shouldn't function as a deterant to pvp. we want pepper park back and we need pvp to be the main focus
Ahh the good ol' days.....
I have to agree with you on that Kame, it was a lot of fun ! Started out to be a drug run (getting drugs from BD HQ) and then turned into a chaotic PvP scene. It was a lot of fun running up/down ramps, zoning into new places to heal up. Stealthing around the city. Twas really fun with no PPUs for sure!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kame
I also want to add to what I said before. I think that Plaza and Via should be left as living/shopping places, and PP turned into that Gotham city kind of feeling. That would be pretty kickass.
Yes ok that really works just asking everyone politely?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
The Tiki club is by no means a safe place for me. the guards will shoot me straight in the face in there!
Ye that was fun as hell, the only problem was that gaddamn copbot constantly shooting at us, I had to keep zoning into the sewer to lose his aggro. Remmove teh copbots from Pepper park pls, it's supposed to be a seedy lawless place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kame
Faid. its good to see you speaking pvp. You give me enough hope to maybe even log in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faid
Yeah, I want the plaza and via-rosso safezones back, too.
But the Devs removed those safezones for events that occur inside Via-rosso or Plaza sectors.
Maybe they can implement a command to remove the safezone (without restarting the server), when needed (when it's not already implemented) :D And than they can make plaza and via-rosso safezones again.
We want the city PVP spot to be in Pepper, not plaza.
We want a zoneline that bridges a Safezone Plaza with un-Safezone Pepper Park.
We want the city PVP to move to an area with no copbots, and a bigger area to fight across. Pepper Park is perfect for this.
Why not.
But you re all wrong on the reason, why they changed it in the first place. They did it when they removed all safezones beside the HQs with the release of NC2. Then for some stupid reason they made P1 a safezone later.
The main problem I see here is this seems to be encouraging more zoneline fighting. I can't imagine they want more zoneline fighting as people zoning back and forth as much as this can't be good for server performance.
Maybe they need to just make Neofrag better :p
I agree with pretty much everyone else in this thread. It seems like the PVPers and the Roleplayers alike agree on changing Plazas and Viarossos back to safe zones and Pepper Parks PVP zones with no copbots.
This is a great idea to mix things up and to be honest, the way it should be. Fighting and drug slinging belongs in the red light district, not the city.
My last convo with molten about this lead me to believe they want us nasty pvpers to stay out of the city and go to the wastelands for senseless ganks. If we actually do our best to screw the wastelands with our presence, Im sure they will finally give us pepper park. we are the scum of neocron.
While there will always be zoneline fighting PP has more area's to escape to, running up and down ramps, dodging behind pillars and corners everywhere. Theres just more obstacles in PP, zonelines arent really needed, our fight with RSC was in PP2 and no one even thought of trying to zonewhore. This could work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas Kell
I strongly dislike the idea of forced safezones, I would actually be for a unsafe plaza 1 if the devs could get the copbots to work properly and increase their damage significantly (reimplementation of the copbot rifle would help, it should never have been taken away, cop bots are too easy to LoS now)
The way eve has it in my opinion works fine, with suicide ganking, you gank but you instantly die afterwards and take a big soul light hit if you are in plaza.
The increased strength of cop bots would probably fix the issues, I would suggest adding a few "secuirty turrets" that cannot be dragged around and also use a cop bot rifle. That way people can pvp in plaza should they wish but they will face a harsh penalty for doing so so they should head to pepper park instead, There should only be one or two cop bots in pp sectors and they should be near the metro stations and faction hqs to help lowbie non LE's, they should be very close to lawless.
my two cents
Zoneline PvP is discouraged by the devs for some reason. pepper park is the best map for PvP. why do they devs resist PvP so much? Isn't that what our end game experience is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Faid
When you remove the le you consent to PvP. we don't need to screw end game PvP on order to protect consenting non les. myself and alot of others start with no le. the challenge and dealing with defending yourself by yourself is what makes it fun. my noobs don't need copbots. my endgame fighters don't need copbots.Quote:
Originally Posted by wargolem
if you want fights then yes. Plenty of people will accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britney
As I said before, I'm pretty sure the reason they hate it is the load on the server. I don't think they much care where you PvP, but every time you zone, you send and receive bulk data, so zoning back and forth firing at people can't be healthy for the network.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arista Barret
Rather than not being a lazy bum and quoting each persons reply, i'm just going to throw out my ideas and hope you guys know who im responding to or rather implicating.
I strongly would love to see PP as the place were PvP happens. I think it would be cool to see 0 Copbots in Pepperpark, but I wouldn't mind just having 1-2 STORMbots (think of them as a SWAT team) in place at the entrance/exit to Pepperpark. Think of it as "if you cross this line, we cannot protect you". That sort of feeling to Pepperpark is what it should be all about. Lawless and Chaotic; Mayhem.
I don't know if the real intent behind switching Plaza/Via to safe zones was because of the storyline or not, but clearly getting rid of DOY/TG/TH/MB (in respect to populated places) was not part of the storyline. With that being said, it's time to revert it to the way it once was in NC1. Pepper Park fights, but with tweaks that I noted above.