For a myriad of reasons and general consensus, we need the copbots removed from pepper park.
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For a myriad of reasons and general consensus, we need the copbots removed from pepper park.
So this is like a petition?
/signed
/signed (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Not like they react fast enough to help those that might need 'em anyway!
/signed (and I live there)
Id like this thread to be undeniable by the devs. this seems to be a point everyone can agree on. please support the idea and lets take back pepper park!
I only agree if we reopen up Dome of York and move all anti city factions back there. I mean all of the anti city factions that moved to nc are there in pp, so if u take away cop bot there why not make p1 not a safe zone and make it so there is no safe zones at al, how about that....Pinky cant QQ then every night if we take away all safe zones. It will only make people stay LE'd even longer or hell maybe never remove it in first place. Oh that makes sense to, how about we make it so there is no LE then. Then the ones that complain they can't gank low levels can do it as they please.
Maybe no one can get my sarcasm, but if you give 1 inch to the QQers that want to make ganking easier JUST for them, you end up giving them a mile. Don't do this unless you want them QQing on something else as soon as you do it.
Explain to me how copbots in Pepper park has anything to do with the garbage you just spoke?
Also, to reiterate something I've said before, "I got killed" isn't always the same as "I got ganked" -- Just being killed by someone isn't "Wah, I got ganked!" -- This is a game about factional conflict, and dying to the enemy happens. "I got wasted by an enemy faction while I was in an unsafe region." is not at all the same as "OMG! I got ganked!" - In short, would you bitch that someone killed you in Planetside, or TF2? Why not? Where's the difference when the stated ruleset and intent are given ahead of time, as they are in this game?
Cops in PP don't prevent you from being ganked, they (kinda) prevent PvP in a region where PvP was clearly intended to take place. "Ganked" is repeatedly camped by a force far greater than you in a way that is counter to the intended gameplay and usually meant to punish a given player, not merely being killed when it was inconvenient for you, as that was always an intended part of play.
This is why I've said multiple times in these forums that a decision needs to be made re: LE play.
Either LE's are intended to allow players to "opt-out" of the primary PvP elements of gameplay for the duration (ala WoW or CoH) OR this game intends players to develop to the point where they are comfortable with the world's mechanics (i.e. there are places where you can't go level without the chance of factional reprisal, due to your factional alliances) and then are not protected by an LE any longer, as they are not intended to have impunity ala a primarily PvE MMO.
When this is a decided issue, then we will know what to do with regard to copbots, Soul Light, and PvP in general. Until then, all that we will see in this discussion is "Wah! You wanna gank me!" when my supposition is that the target of the supposed "ganking" is a runner playing where they oughtn't be, and arguing that they ought to be able to go *anywhere*. What's the ruling?
Its pepper park. The controlling factions should be policing it. Put this on the players. Its a good call.
Seriously, the most incoherent rant I've read in a while. No one can gank low levels because low levels keep their LE in, so what your saying doesn't mean shit. Calling us QQers? REALLY? Saying we want all safe zones removed as well, what the fuck are you even talking about? No one said that. I actually think plaza 2 should be a safe zone again but give us(people who like to pvp) pepperpark back. Where the only time an npc attacked you was when you were an enemy to tsunami or black dragon. Not some city cop being in a place he doesn't belong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cornhusker
So thats my /rant
LETS GET SOME RP GOING ON IN PP!!!
Yes it is that important that I had to write it in caps.
/signed.
Here is some roleplay for you. Rockshore Surf Club has been attacked by an alliance of clans. The push to remove Tsunami from the allied territory resulted in a stronghold of tsunami in Pepper park. Cops had to be removed and violence has become rampant. Pepper park has become a warzone full of criminals and prostitutes. In an effort to protect the inner city, CA has stepped up defense of the PLaza and Via rosso sectors.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
RP approved. Zoltan get on this plz
P2 being a safezone again would be awesome. now put some decent shops in there ;)
Copbots moving out of Pepper Park could very well be on way. Of course on the other hand Tsunami and Black Dragon won't miss the opportunity to take their sectors back openly again I guess (What I mean are guarding NPCs of those factions).
I would love to move back to plaza secure and copbots removed from PP, even thought i'm not really a zone line fighter as its kinda like fighting with an get out of jail free button with the zone line I think this was a mistake that was changed in the first place.
Sorry, but unfortunately I do not believe this to be a good idea. Before you pwn me with words, please hear me out.
OK so in the old days you guys used to fight on the border of Plaza and PP. It was pretty annoying when you actually had to go to PP, because if you didn't have the GR or didn't want the SI of using a GR, the only ways in were the subway, and the entrance form plaza. Because you guys were fighting it out, running back and forth across the zoneline and AOEing the crap out of everything, non-capped characters got obliterated in a few seconds. This was all well and good when you knew that going to pepper park was going to mean fighting, as you had no other reason to go there. But the game has changed. There are reasons for people not wanting to get involved in zoneline fights having to go to PP now, so introducing this will just cause problems for them.
You guys really need more better stuff to fight over. Like OP battles, but more of them and without the undergrounds. I think zoneline fighting is just not good for the game.
You point is irrelevant because this still can happen, as it can over the p2 zone line aswell. Reverting it back to the old system makes it a massively safer area for new runners or non capped players.
Good points well made Lucas. Keep p3 unsafe though if that's gonna be an issue. Then let the people who want fights decide the turf. Some will not synch lame and some will. It's inevitable. The ones who accept death will fight properly. The ones who won't will still lame it but that can't be changed by game mechanics. If you need to get through hire a guard or ask for help or keep the le till you tag the gr. Simple as that
Zoneline fighting is what the pvpers want. we can justify it with roleplay also. How about a comment from a dev?
We want pp1 fights back!!!
We? I don't see how you seem to be speaking for this overwhelming majority of players, how about a vote and we'll see how many people actually agree because I doubt it will be as many as you think
How about you go troll the pve forums. If we take a vote on a pvp issue then le players and carebears need to stay silent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannings
Actually Lucas there are 3 entrances into PP1 and PP2 from Plaza/Subway. Historically only the PP1/P3 zone line was ever fought over. The subway was always a safe zone and would probably be again if these changes got implemented. I doubt anyone would bother you there as a low level player going about your day if they were all fighting in the PP1 zoneline.
Plus there is also the LE chip still obviously.
We... my drones and me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannings
The last thing we need is another version of P2 where the pvp is ruined by the placement of npcs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deus Ex Machina
You really think that a group of players enjoying the game should step aside and do nothing because an LE wants to see the shops in pepper park? If he is a non le character he has agreed to pvp so there's no issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas Kell
Zoneline fighting is something ALOT of people enjoy and should be accentuated in game. Stand in P2 and join the other Le characters who go just to watch the fights and get in on the drama.
It's more than zoneline PvP too. I am not into "formal PvP" in that I don't go to Plaza and challenge a person, I don't /duel fools and I don't chat folks up looking for a scheduled throwdown. I *do* on the other hand call Pro-City facts "Tools of Reeza" and I do tell Tsunami's to "get off my block". I like the RP, but that RP is retarded when not supported by game mechanics.
As a gang-bangin' thug I should be able to threaten you with a weapon and tell you to "pay up or get out" when you're a CA levelling in PP. You should expect that in a shithole like Pepper Park. This is RP and theme and without it you have a flat passionless shooting gallery with the occasional "atta boy!" This is an MMORPG right? What does my factional choice mean? Prize for my Jones mission? Is that all?
In WoW can an Alliance player go grind in the Underdark because "Hey, that's my playstyle, man." Should a player actually be able to ignore faction and intended territory to level where they want, just because? It seems that some players think so. Until the devs weigh in with a "That's not intended play." or not. We're stuck on this one. That said, I can't think of an MMO that I've played (that includes PvP) where one group could just decide to ignore PvP and go anywhere, do anything.