Bored during downtime? Wiki-jam project!

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25-09-12, 01:18
dWintermut3

Bored during downtime? Wiki-jam project!

With Neocron now back online and running with server pops unheard of for years, I'm actually starting to see new players, brand new, not returning Neocron-1 players, but totally new players, for the first time in, well, ever.

Problem is, Neocron is very user-friendly, it's just picky about its friends...

First place people with newb questions get directed is usually the wiki over at Techhaven. Problem is, it's... well lets be honest it's not that good. It doesn't have many guides, a lot of info is out of date and it has missing articles on important things, and important articles (like, oh, warbot, or Rare Part) are mini-stubs.

I say we fix that while we can't play anyway!

See you over at the wiki.
25-09-12, 01:22
Haxxor

Bit harsh on TH it just needs a bit of help expanding it's wiki

Also too much info can be a bad thing too.
25-09-12, 01:23
Xiphias

I'll echo that sentiment.

There are alot of broken links and and is quite confusing to navigate... especially when you don't know what to look for.
25-09-12, 01:27
Ascension

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiphias

I'll echo that sentiment.

There are alot of broken links and and is quite confusing to navigate... especially when you don't know what to look for.

This.
25-09-12, 01:39
Tratos

Please please please let us know about anything that's broken and we'll try and fix it. The THN has been kicking around for a long long time, that sadly means it's not had a huge amount of TLC in the last couple of years just like the game.

That said I know both nEo and Delphi are working hard to fix up the broken stuff and get things flowing again, with Brammers doing a lot of work behind the scenes. However everyone is free to create a wiki account and add/edit articles where required to improve the information for new and old runners alike.
25-09-12, 01:48
dWintermut3

I should add I'm not being down on the wiki at all. The items database is amazing and it's had a lot of loving work put into it.

It just wasn't built with newbie guides and whatnot because Neocron didn't HAVE newbies then.

I just thought it might be nice to channel our love of the game to the wiki so it doesn't all fall on Brammers' shoulders and his team.
25-09-12, 01:59
CMaster

Well, NC did have newbies back when the THN stuff got going. But NC also had a bunch of other resource sites at the time. Also, the THN did have more guides, but several have been buried away due to being out of date and mislead (unlike a lot if ingame info).

But yes, it doesn't explain a lot of stuff for a newcomer - if anybody wants to, then start adding!
25-09-12, 02:14
dWintermut3

I've expanded the page on Sewers to include more information, and I've added to the Tech Parts page indicating where they can be found.

I've also created pages for each of the damage types (working on X-ray right now) explaining what they are, where resists come from, and the importance/uses of the damage type (IE all low-tech guns do primarily piercing except flamers, etc)
25-09-12, 09:48
Shazam

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Originally Posted by dWintermut3

I've also created pages for each of the damage types (working on X-ray right now) explaining what they are, where resists come from, and the importance/uses of the damage type (IE all low-tech guns do primarily piercing except flamers, etc)

more information on this would be awesome! always sucked at making a good con set up so learning more about it all should help!
25-09-12, 10:47
Brammers

Quote:

Originally Posted by dWintermut3

First place people with newb questions get directed is usually the wiki over at Techhaven. Problem is, it's... well lets be honest it's not that good. It doesn't have many guides, a lot of info is out of date and it has missing articles on important things, and important articles (like, oh, warbot, or Rare Part) are mini-stubs.

I say we fix that while we can't play anyway!

See you over at the wiki.

Thanks for the feedback and welcome to Neocron. :)

The one thing that is great about any wiki you can add whatever content you like. Just create an account, create an article and edit it until you feel it's right. We will offer any help and tips to making the article look good.

There are lot's of mini-stubs as you say. It's content we want, and are after. Anyway as you have offered to help and I see you are helping, I'm looking forward to (Along with the rest of the THN team) to seeing more your articles. :)

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Originally Posted by Xiphias

I'll echo that sentiment.

There are alot of broken links and and is quite confusing to navigate... especially when you don't know what to look for.

The broken links - most of them point to articles we need content for so, please create content for them.

Can you give us examples on things you went looking for, but could not find?

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Originally Posted by CMaster

Well, NC did have newbies back when the THN stuff got going. But NC also had a bunch of other resource sites at the time. Also, the THN did have more guides, but several have been buried away due to being out of date and mislead (unlike a lot if ingame info).

But yes, it doesn't explain a lot of stuff for a newcomer - if anybody wants to, then start adding!

As Cmaster correctly says we do have some articles on the THN that are out of date. Any article that is on the main THN website at http://www.techhaven.org/ can be copied and put into the wiki. There is a small list of articles http://wiki.techhaven.org/Neocron_Wiki:To-do that need moving.

I am glad everyone still cares about the THN, and as Tratos says, it's not had so much TLC over the last few years. Now that the game and community is alive and kicking again, we will do our best to get things upto scratch again.

Keep it up everyone! :)

Brammers - THN Lead Admin
25-09-12, 10:52
nEo-1664

Quote:

Originally Posted by dWintermut3

With Neocron now back online and running with server pops unheard of for years, I'm actually starting to see new players, brand new, not returning Neocron-1 players, but totally new players, for the first time in, well, ever.

Problem is, Neocron is very user-friendly, it's just picky about its friends...

First place people with newb questions get directed is usually the wiki over at Techhaven. Problem is, it's... well lets be honest it's not that good. It doesn't have many guides, a lot of info is out of date and it has missing articles on important things, and important articles (like, oh, warbot, or Rare Part) are mini-stubs.

I say we fix that while we can't play anyway!

See you over at the wiki.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiphias

I'll echo that sentiment.

There are alot of broken links and and is quite confusing to navigate... especially when you don't know what to look for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dWintermut3

I should add I'm not being down on the wiki at all. The items database is amazing and it's had a lot of loving work put into it.

It just wasn't built with newbie guides and whatnot because Neocron didn't HAVE newbies then.

I just thought it might be nice to channel our love of the game to the wiki so it doesn't all fall on Brammers' shoulders and his team.

Like Tratos mentioned above. The THN hasn't had a lot of attention aimed at it, and at one point there was the conversation of dropping it due to the lack of interest in the game.

However, I am pleased to say that due to the increased interest of Neocron, we at the THN are working to update the site(well needed) and give as much of an over-haul as we can. Due to the sheer quantity of data in the THN this process unfortunately is not something that can be done overnight.

Between myself, Delphi, and Brammers we are looking at ways to improve the THN, which will include porting the things like the ItemDB into the Wiki to make it more available to users, as well as making it easier to update. Like CMaster also said above, there were many more resource sites available 'back in the day' whereas now they are few and far between.

While we are doing our best to get new information and/or update old information we need community help to make it work. There is only so much 3 people can do, whereas a whole community can pile in a lot more information that can simply be checked, and verified then added.

I would love to see more submissions being made into the Wiki, and if there are problems with the ItemDB currently, or any of the guides, let us know! If they are guides on the Wiki or the main THN site, open a thread on our forums and tell us. The sooner you tell us what needs changing or what needs looking at, we can jump on it to improve it for you.

You can get hold of us either via our Forums, PM's on our forums, tweet us at @TechHaven

[EDIT -- Beaten by Brammers! Dammit! :p]
25-09-12, 11:45
Ascension

THN has been helpful the past few days! It would be great to see more of the community working to update all the out of date content!
25-09-12, 11:47
Zuul

THN was always helpful!!! :D
25-09-12, 11:51
nEo-1664

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ascention

THN has been helpful the past few days! It would be great to see more of the community working to update all the out of date content!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuul

THN was always helpful!!! :D

On behalf of the THN, thank you!

I know times have changed somewhat, and nowadays not everyone can spend as much time ingame as they might like, but there are some things in the pipeline to update the THN as I mentioned, it is just trying to find time between the admins to complete some of it :)
25-09-12, 14:37
Shazam

viewing the THN is a must!!!

as a returning player that has forgotten everything it is an invaluable tool, the item DB has saved me so much time looking at what guns i can get rather than having to run around the shops looking through menu's to find out im not high enough level to get a new gun!

and when its time to do the epic's, there is only one place i will be looking for assistance :)

so thank you all the the THN team for all your hard work its very much appreciated by me and im sure the rest of the community.
25-09-12, 20:05
Drevious

Someone compile how to get all the trophies an stuff i still have some on terra that i bought and have no clue how u would even get em. like medals an stuff

OH. like some in the pic in my sig =p but there r way more
25-09-12, 21:48
james_finn

I have to say I am really touched that after all this time the little neocron wiki project that I started with Solid-Rock (and later migrated to the THN) is still going! I'd just like to add that the wiki is still alive, recently we started thinking about how we could bring it up to scratch with the current state of the game, and how it could actually become useful to the new players coming into the world.

I did start a new player project a few years ago, getting as far as putting together a whole HUD breakdown where you could click on specific parts and it would take you to a page explaining them. This was as far as it got, however, I would love to see someone (or someones) take this on and bring it to the point where it is useful! As brammers and neo have said there are lots of stubs in the wiki itself which need to be populated, check the special pages for more information like that.

http://wiki.techhaven.org/Special:DeadendPages

This is a link to dead end pages (those without any additional forwarding on link), ideally in the wiki you want to keep the number of dead end pages to a minimum.

http://wiki.techhaven.org/Category:Stubs

This is a list of the stubs in the wiki, these are pages which have been deemed by the admins do not contain enough information, or don't conform to the wiki standards (at the moment these have become rather lax, and will probably remain so for the foreseeable future!).

and finally:

http://wiki.techhaven.org/RPOS

This is the start of the New player project, this could do with an expansion, and additional images.

Again from all of us at the THN we value your continued support of our site, and please be aware that we are still working (slowly) in the background! Any problems or changes that you think should be implemented from our side to better your experience with the site please feel free to contact any of the admins, or use the THN forums.

Delphi

THN Lead Wiki Admin
26-09-12, 01:00
dWintermut3

Action area this downtime: Finishing damage type pages, more cross-linking and starting on the stubs page.