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We are here for you Kirk, but what can we do? People have offered donations, but nowhere to send them? We have offered developers and other things, but it all falls on deaf ears or you just can't use us?
Check your PMs please by the way.
I'm sure it takes more than a few days to set up things like that, let alone get back to us, never mind the issues that they are still dealing with.
Donations for a start are complicated issue due to tax and business reasons, especially during an insolvent period.
Hey there,Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTrip
read all PMs so far and believe me, we are working on it!
Will get back to you guys soon!
Cheers,
Kirk
Is there a banner we can site on our fansites, websites etc?
[ edited - private messages should remain private unless you have permission to post them. Also off-topic. ]
I don't think this is the place for the above post...
OT: well it's lillith asking for attention in a thread about kirk asking for attention! ;) And she posted the other posts in a completely unrelated thread too, so there are a lot of similarities. :p
I'm wondering though, is the facebook page a way to get new business again? I thought companies in insolvency weren't allowed to make new business deals unless sanctioned by the official judgy type person who oversees the insolvency?
And it doesn't sound like they are asking for investors to invest in neocron 3, but to get some clients for other projects? While I have no problem with KK trying to find business other than neocron 3, it kinda conflicts with KK's seemingly trying to convince us that they parted ways with Gamigo to start on neocron 3. If I misjudged this I would like to know though.
So in a few short questions:
- Are you looking for investors in neocron 3 particularly?
- If this campaign leads to you finding clients for other games, what does this mean for neocron 2 and 3?
- Did you mean to imply that you split with gamigo because you wanted to make neocron 3, or did I misunderstood this implication from your responses to the questions and did you actually want to make yet more different games?
Is there a goal or anything or is this just a cash grab?
Perhaps a bit of both?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
KK has quite a few development staff, and have worked on numerous games aside from BP and NC. They need to drum up support for their smaller projects to get the business running again before they can look towards investment in something as big an effort as an MMO.
Suggestions at info@reakktor.com?
I am waiting for anyone to restore my posts suggesting ideas for NC3 please? :( some idiots were trolling in reply and they got deleted :(
I want to join really, but it's just rude... and I hope it's not how Reakktor is going to act in future because then that's just as bad as the casual disregard some other companies have for letting their customers talk :(
So wait, Kirk ignores a request from the Neocron fanbase for answers to their questions for months on end and now that his company is suffering, no doubt in part due to complete neglect of a large group of customers, we're supposed to rise up and help them get out of their mess?
Sorry but the ship sailed months ago. Maybe once NC3 is out and rolling I'll start playing again but until then I'm done with KK.
Haven't you read his post concerning the insolvency? Obviously not!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDomino
aside from being part of the reason KK went insolvent in the first place, the abysmal customer relations has nothing to do with being insolvent. Just because you're insolvent doesn't mean you can't answer questions and keep promises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valdyn
There's simply the fact that KK is a company that is very very easy to dislike, because of the way they act towards customers and community. Don't expect a lot of goodwill from a community if you treat them like crap for years.
(Whether or not there is a good reason for their behaviour is completely irrelevant, we all would be a lot more willing to forgive KK if there had been any kind of effort to include us).
As an example, natural selection 2 by Unknown Worlds Entertainment was supposed to have been released 2 years ago. But because of the way they include the community in everything they do, aside from a few hardcore trolls, everyone is willing to forgive them, and work with them towards an even better game.
(and yes I realize insolvency is actually about not being able to keep financial promises, sorry, don't proofread much :p)
Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biglines
btw I'm not trying to whine or moan at KK about this, I'm just saying that I understand that a lot of people do not want to support KK after all that's happened, or at least not unless it's directly related to neocron2/3
Well Biglines, think of it this way. Some of those who support the community were previously paid employees, and with the insolvency, perhaps those people are not able to be paid even for time they worked prior to knowing they would not be paid. So support the people who support you by supporting Reakktor if you cannot justify outright, blind dedication to the company, think about those who have deciated a decade to serving you in the best capacity they have been permitted :) Ya dig? ^^ Was that too obtuse?
as usual i express myself poorly. I wasn't saying im not supporting KK, I'm saying I can understand the anger, as in there's no point badmouthing people who do not want to, they have every right not to.
But I will always support all the hardworking people at KK, and like I said, I personally have no problem with KK doing other projects, as long as they are honest and open about it. I just hate KK's policy of secrecy and misleading messages.
Bloody hell!
This really is a grasping at straws moment for KK. I thought BP would of helped to keep KK up and running. Facebook? Really?
Excuse my cynicism but what's the guarantee that this wont happen again? If KK pulls themselves out of this what contingencies or business plans are there to secure KK's future?
I have faith that the community will support you, as we all love you, but the community is small. Everyone is either dead or dieing and those that haven't ended up living in the sewers; emerging to the surface for Kirk's posts, are very weak.
Anyway the important thing is that the staff at KK are ok. With or without NC continuing.
You'd be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell-demon
Many large organisations/businesses use facebook as a marketing tool and a highly effective one at that. Millions of people linked together can disseminate information quickly and to those who would otherwise not discover it.
GCHQ (part of the UK secret service) recently used it to promote a recruitment initiative - newspaper and TV coverage ensued.
it can backfire really easily too though, good facebook campaigns are generally very sensitive and should really be handled by good PR firms or PR managers, none of which KK has :p
au contraire enough well meaning people in one place can change anything :) (I am um, quite good at social stuff I have my own website and wikipedia article ;))
Examples:
facebook.com/ratm4xmas
• http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8423340.stm
• http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8424268.stm
kickstarter.com/projects/66710809/double-fine-adventure
most average people spend more time on social media these days than any other website. That's not an exaggeration, just google it.
plus.google.com is better though but diasporaproject.org is even better :)
Reakktor: Get on twitter.com too, and post things to #hashtags like #games and such so you can get attention from the wider internet who don't know who reakktor is :)
• Do a search on hashtags.org for popular game related tags that people are most likely to be monitoring to get the maximum amount of attention -- contact the media organisations and games magazines too like PC Gamer etc :)
Reakktor: Rename Facebook group in options, set a username in the Edit Page button, it lets you rename your facebook group to something like facebook.com/SaveReakktorSpreadTheWord or something instead of facebook.com/pages/Save-Reakktor-Spread-the-Word/194474483990280 ... which makes it much easier for people to spread the word :)
mods Thank you for restoring my posts suggesting ideas for Neocron 3, I am very grateful and I will gogogo join now :)
http://forum.neocron.com/showthread....79#post2179879
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put it on steam youll make money over night, even if it 5 bucks or less, there are millions of game whores who must have any game they can afford to their steam collection.... im not sure how insolvency effects this, but I can guarantee generated revenue over night, my friends do this with their indy games all the time, their games are much simpler and crapier then NC ever could be
that is a very good idea! :) there is also CD Projekt that run gog.com which has very cool stuff on it they even got EA to give up some stuff like Dungeon Keeper 2 which I love :)
• GOG Deus Ex
• GOG Vampire the Masquerade Redemption
• GOG Psychonauts (kickstarter.com/projects/66710809/double-fine-adventure - Psychonauts 2)
• GOG Creatures
• GOG Sanitarium
• GOG Beneath a Steel Sky
• GOG Bloodrayne
• GOG Bloodrayne 2
• GOG Dungeon Keeper
• GOG Dungeon Keeper 2
• GOG Sacrifice
• GOG Hitman
• GOG Hitman 2 Silent Assassin
• GOG The 7th Guest
• GOG Alien Breed Tower Assault
• GOG Duke Nukem 3D Atomic Edition
• GOG Tyrian 2000
• GOG Cannon Fodder
• GOG Fallout
• GOG Fallout 2
• GOG Messiah ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyOQj9Jqe-g )
• GOG Evil Genius
• GOG Syndicate
• gog.com/en/gamecard/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri (I LOVED the videos and story in this game omg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=035c...=plpp_play_all — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hou-...=plpp_play_all )
... you get the idea, that's just my list of games there I accumulated over the years :)
Neocron could be the very first "good old ONLINE game" they publish :)]
I agree that getting the game on Steam should be high up the list of desired ways of publishing the game. If timed correctly a release free of any major bugs can create an influx of players NC did not even have at it's best time. And it would not need much marketing either. Announce it on steam with some eye candy so it is on the "coming soon" list to get people curious.
Yeah.. but I think Kirk is right when he says that they first have to do a overhaul on Neocron.
Otherwise you wont be able to hold the playerbase.
lol like they are now???Quote:
Originally Posted by nabbl
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-...02746096443643
WTF is this servers down in 30 days?
Good run all, sandwich your asses off
If so that's not a good way to make your player base feel confident.