Neocron is....

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Originally Posted by daughterolilith

I am redownloading the game (from filefront to save Reakktor bandwidth monies) now, I remembered it after finding out how disappointing star trek online and APB are and thought I would check back it's cool that it's still going :) I remember I quit because I disliked the setup someone had recommended me (as a not very pvp person I followed advice) I respent all my skillpoints for to find you basically had to be on drugs constantly to be able to compete and that people were cheating it with macros and stuff, and the only way I could change back to playing the game normally was by losing loads of stuff, that wasn't very good game design really but I guess "respecs" were not a common thing when neocron was made so good practice for not putting players off wasn't as established.... I'm going to go hunting giant monster things in the desert and mutated zombies and stuff like that again, maybe put LE back in if I can I can't remember, maybe make a new character if need be since the player versus player part of the game is so horribly imbalanced

I had a look at your new game site and it doesn't really interest me since it's just about spaceships no people, I really liked how you could explore Neocron how big it was and see giant monsters and things it was kind of like a multiplayer version of Fallout 3 but with much more badass mutant things (though the special effects not as good :p ) without the crappy american setting ... though that's just the very short version of why Neocron was nice

People I remember:
Hoder
Nidhogg
Snowcrash
Chenoa
Blood Queen
Verbatim
Ancient
Kabigami
Zebel
Feldan
Raiz
Dribble Joy

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Just to add to this, since Snowcrash mentioned Tabula Rasa by name, some stuff I found recently:

www.tabularasamemorial.org

www.tabularasamemorial.org/apb

www.tabularasamemorial.org/apb/feedback

My thoughts on the reason has to do with you...
By "You" I mean the NC team, Developers, KK, or Kirk Lenke.

The real reason NC is still here is because of one or all of those people and I thank you. Some of you on your side have popped in from time to time, shown some effort to keep things afloat, been friendly. It is nice to catch you around on the odd days.

The second reason NC still lives is because the work you all did is and was intellectual. You delivered thought into configurations, created a world that many types of people could di their own thing and it was not a pathetic Sims world.

You provoke thought with the tasks to be done, configuration of a runner to PvP, had cool auctions, there is more to build on it is just that time drove you to develop Black Prophecy and the famous "solvency" issues (that are now hopefully over and done with as written about some time ago.

Now is where we stand...
BP is released and I personally am happy for you all. I have played and do enjoy the game but, It still is not NC. I have seen recently that the prices have dropped in the Premium Store. I was budget tight so i had to stop playing for a bit. Still well done work I say, you have gotten to show you competitiveness again to be in this business.

New game engines and technology could allow NC to live again and finally make you all the money you had earned the first time that "solvency issues" interrupted.

I do not know what percentage Gamigo had to obtain to see that BP investment was worth it but, If you still want a private crown jewel NC can succeed. The question is how will it happen right, who gonna fork over the mooola?

NC could (as I have commented before) become a major add on for BP solving the cry's for a walk-around world. you have the mechanics already built and some artistic work could work the theme. The storyline of NC did have space exploration if I am not mistaken.

You could shape many NC's as home planets and rework the resources in the Premium store for the worlds. introduce the mining requests configuring off-planet ship mining of asteroids and ground level mining where thousands of moons and planets could use an NC based world for searching for elements etc,etc...

PvP and Space all in one package, mix the real world science with NC and BP and it would be something.

I started out telling you why NC still is hear, the reality of why and then some of my other thoughts (and I do think to much). No matter the outcome you all have done well and I am pleased to have been a player.

As always, I hope for all your successes to deliver all methods of the rewards you deserve with a potential NC3 and in reality, Black prophecy.

I will leave the Plaza Gr's on so you can stop buy and beat up on the loud mouth's and say hello to the rest of us. Honestly, Stop in some time; tell Mr. Lenke to look around. Imagine what you can do now with technology...

Take care and I hope you and your families are well and the "...Wind is at you back..."

Respectfully,
JohnGalt
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I'd like to respectfully disagree with the above post, please please please please don't make neocron an extension of Black prophecy. Instanced neocron, the horror! it would undo everything that makes neocron special.

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Originally Posted by Biglines

I'd like to respectfully disagree with the above post, please please please please don't make neocron an extension of Black prophecy. Instanced neocron, the horror! it would undo everything that makes neocron special.

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A mix between BP and NC would be nice but NO to any instanced shit !!!!

instancing wut???? NC? wtf, this ain't WOW!

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Originally Posted by Setlec

instancing wut???? NC? wtf, this ain't WOW!

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Seems u didnt play BP since there are some stupid instanced areas.

According to this is just wanted to say that NC would loose much of its unreached feeling if KK would do this in an upcoming NC3.

You are correct my good sir, i haven't play at all BP since beta or closed beta so...

Just want NC. with zones four times the size of current zones, plox. and a huge sniper rifle I can shoot people from halfway across the zone with.

Then I will be content.



EXCEPT YOU BASTARDS THOUGHT I FORGOT BAHAHAHAHAH I WANT MY FUCKING COMBAT MECHS ASHJFDKASTHKASNDF

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When you think about it here nc could easily marry up with Black Prophecy. Sure you would have to mix up the factions a little and add in the Genides and Tyi or whatever they call themselves these days but if it brings the 2 communities together i am all for it.

I am dead set against instancing in certain areas but in order to bring the less pvp orientated players then I would be happy to make the compromise to have some instanced levelling areas. Just limit them down as people get higher in level. If the populations got to a point where we needed instancing (heaven forbid!?) then i would be happy to take that just so I had a player base to trade with. My enemy today might be my friend tomorrow and i need to trade with friends and enemies alike to progress in this game.


I hate to say this to the wow haters but I think this is one of the reasons why wow is so successful. If we get even 1% of the playerbase that wow has then we would have literally thousands of targets (err sorry players).

In my personal opinion, for a game like wow, instancing works because it doesn't conflict with the lore of the game. Neocron is cool specifically because there's only one world, and if you travel through it, you can find all the people in that world, and it all fits in that atmosphere of the post apocalyptic cyberpunk.

Instancing leads to pve being seperated from pvp, or making pvp "fair". The whole thrill of neocron is that fact that at any point in the game, you can be ganked by some asshole capped player while you're leveling your /20 spy by meleeing spiders. In an instanced game, this would never happen. It's the immersion in a game, the atmosphere of that immersion and the reality of fear and thrill that simply no other mmo has been able to include in a game that makes neocron special. Instancing this would simply ruin the one thing that makes neocron this awesome.

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Originally Posted by Biglines

Instancing this would simply ruin the one thing that makes neocron this awesome.

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/Signed !!!!!

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Originally Posted by Biglines

In my personal opinion, for a game like wow, instancing works because it doesn't conflict with the lore of the game. Neocron is cool specifically because there's only one world, and if you travel through it, you can find all the people in that world, and it all fits in that atmosphere of the post apocalyptic cyberpunk.

Instancing leads to pve being seperated from pvp, or making pvp "fair". The whole thrill of neocron is that fact that at any point in the game, you can be ganked by some asshole capped player while you're leveling your /20 spy by meleeing spiders. In an instanced game, this would never happen. It's the immersion in a game, the atmosphere of that immersion and the reality of fear and thrill that simply no other mmo has been able to include in a game that makes neocron special. Instancing this would simply ruin the one thing that makes neocron this awesome.

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big before i say this i want to make it clear that i do agree with your post (apart from meleeing spiders at level 20 :wtf: :lol: surely you would have a store bought piece of shit pistol by then no?) but dont you think maybe they will need to compromise a little on the "hardcore atmosphere" to cater for a wider appeal.

it worries me that this may happen but i can honestly see it in order to float the ship again as it were.

not really, neocron was great exactly because it was a niche market. KK neither has the skills nor the resources to go up against the mainstream giants such as Bioware or world of warcraft. The only way for non-sony/wow mmo's these days to survive is to either go free2play and hope a lot of kids buy freaky outfits, or to carve out a niche for themselves (like eve did). if neocron would start catering to the mainstream, imho it would then start going up against the giants, and that is simply a fight they would lose. The fight they could win is the niche market, and their niche market with neocron is the hardcore fear-based post-apocalyptic mmo shooter, and anything that weakens that core would mean less differentiation from the big ones.

BP took eve, and just made it look a bit better, and added twitch combate, so they already tried to approach of going more mainstream, and tbh, it's not even a really bad effort (apart from the age old KK problem of being unable to patch basic problems), but still the whole game is losing players faster than it is gaining them (from what I can tell, but honestly I haven't really looked into it much since the 2 days I tried the game and abandoned it)

(and to respond to the meleeing joke, of course ;))

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Originally Posted by Doc Holliday

but dont you think maybe they will need to compromise a little on the "hardcore atmosphere" to cater for a wider appeal.

it worries me that this may happen but i can honestly see it in order to float the ship again as it were.

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Isnt that the point of the LE chip to begin with though? if you dont want the hardcore losses in pvp etc. then you leave it in. Making this clearer during intro / tutorial would cover the point really.

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Originally Posted by Elric

Isnt that the point of the LE chip to begin with though? if you dont want the hardcore losses in pvp etc. then you leave it in. Making this clearer during intro / tutorial would cover the point really.

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Exactly.

The problem is with a niche market you dont get the players, NC needs players. If it goes huge one day which lets face it with marketing and basic bug fixing it is possible; then instancing is a better way of handling the player base. I dont know anything about server side loads or any of that or if the instanced dungeon is moved onto another server in wow or whatever. I have heard this happens but not sure. Anyway the point is, yes you can get ganked and all of that but thats the same as playing WOW on an open pvp server. They have the pvp flag on the carebear realms but there are popular realms with pure open world pvp.