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I've not really got my own oppinions about monks and how they should change but some sort of aiming or deffinet line of sight would be welcomed as it would create more requirement for skill plus make PPUs less of a god mode switch they already are - PPUing is an art i know but there should be some stratergy input from those being healed aswell as those doing the healing such as trying to remove themselves from the fight or taking cover while reciving buffs and heals.
just a quick reply, i didn't have time to read the whole thread though:
I think only 2 possibilities for nerfing monks are introducing reticles or nerfing the booster + natural psiregeneration rate, (with a small favor for the last)
(and maybe raising the ppu modules psi costs slightly)
Also not sure if there is a psi pool cap, if so it should be removed if this would be implemented.
Already said this on another thread:
+ and -:ses for the psi regen:
+ Would nerf hybrids since they need excessive amounts of psi for buffs/heals/psi attack2
+ Would nerf apu's damage output after the first 20 seconds till their psi pool runs out. After then they transform into a running piece of meat.
+ Opfights would be more interesting
+ Ppu's would have the psi to cover for 2-3 guys for the next 4-5 minutes (dependant on the healspammage)
+ Ug barreling would stop :D
+ Monks cookie cutter setups would change to something like this:
either:
+ Antibuffing would actually mean something since the ppu's would have to use lots of psi to recast SD
Full cap hl, around 500:sh psi pool
500:ish% hl, around 750 psi pool
You get the point.
- Slower capping of low lvl monks (but hey theyr damn fast anyway...)
Just a thought...
[edit] x2 (keep forgetting things)
Psi boosters regeneration rate could be also made dependant on the max psi pool of the consumer. ie. Higher psi pool = more regeneration.
Since the ppu's would spec for more psi power, that would also eventually lower their s/d/heals effectiviness and a bit of rof. :rolleyes:
didn't read everything here because I mainly discuss in the german part of the board .. but I just wanna say: give monks aim ffs !
the absence of a reticle for monks is such a big advantage .. yesterday for example I attacked a group of 6 people - apu, ppu, rest was spies/tanks/PEs.
the apu was hacking, so I attacked him. he tried to evade, but ppu wasnt fast enough with the heal so he died. after that I was able to attack the other 4 (which had to aim) without losing much health, because they didnt hit shit with all those ppl running through each other. then the apu was resurrected, who funnily didnt have any problems to hit his target (me).
if it would have been 1 ppu with 5 apus I would have died 3 seconds after I attacked the first apu.
edit: sure, if the 4 other damage dealers would have been any good at aiming they would have killed me too - but the point is: skill matters _much_ more if you have to aim.
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Originally Posted by Ruoja
no, bad bad idea.
It wouldn't nerf hybrids very much, psi atack 2=cheap and an apu hybrid's ppu buffs cost nothing.
Apus already spec massive ppw, so I'm not sure how much of an effect it would have on them.
But here's the thing, ppus wouldn't spec lots of ppw nerfing the dmg on their shelter ectra. People would just pring more ppus per person.
No this would not work
oh and @ john. Isn't that argument more for removing all reticals than giving monks one? Its not exactly balanced that given the current netcode people lag so much that 4 guys couldn't "do much dmg to you".
either way is fine with me. give monks aim, or remove it for everyone else as well. the magic word is balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by onero S
edit: it wasnt just the lag/netcode that made aiming hard for them. it was the 6 people running through each other, breaking their lock.
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Originally Posted by John Wu
exactly, there shouldn't be such a handycap for people in large fights, if monks get a retical, no one is ever going to die in large fights, I honistly think a better solution is to change the was retical's work. But I have no issue with monks being "normalized" I just think that removing retical would give players with a strong heal a HUGE advantadge due to current netcode/the way large fights work.
to balance monk, you can decrease the rate of psiboosters
and set a PSIpower recovery rate based on Mental Steadyness.
So monks won't be "spell machineguns" anymore
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Originally Posted by Tesee
yay.....so apus are buttfucked, yet another post that would aniahlate those people that like to play solo apus.
"More ppu's per person"... actually didn't think of that.. well that basically fucks up my whole idea, though otherwise it would've worked. (No one wants more ppu's than there is now)Quote:
Originally Posted by onero S
That just leaves the retical then :lol:
well its not impossible to kill someone in a large fight with a reticle, its just alot harder than doing that without one.Quote:
Originally Posted by onero S
I agree, it sometimes gets frustrating, especially when strong heals come into play which means you have to hit your target 90% of the time to do reasonable damage. one solution would be to balance heals accordingly (foreign cast, of course a PPU with 10 hp/tick heal doesnt make much sense), another one to remove reticles alltogether - everyone is able to hit more often.
and I disagree - removing reticle would NOT give players with a strong heal a huge advantage. its the other way round: WITH a reticle, players with a strong heal have a huge advantage. because they can heal much more in the time their opponents have to get a lock on them.
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Originally Posted by John Wu
you're right, I ment to say that if everyone had a retical it would give players with a heal an advantadge, damn mistypes.
Dunno if anyone has brought this point up yet, but the current random dmg with APU spells is annoying. I don't like the outcome of PvP being based on dice rolls :confused:
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Originally Posted by giga191
agreed, random dmg was a bad idea, they should have just ajusted the dmg output of hl and other apu spells to make them balanced.
agree with Onero,
another possibility: put HL to function like fire apo : with energy dot
reducing the damage for the shoot but adding dots
well, with the introduction of psi aiming Ithink this would be perfect:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tesee
With fire apoc, the first hit should not do much dmg, but the fire stacks should increase the dmg of the next hit. This rewards people who can land fast consecutive hits once aiming is introduced for monks.
As for hl, it should be the easy to use spell, but with this change, fire could be more powerful, but only if a player was good.