yay, finally not the least optimistic in the thread :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [K1]Luke
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yay, finally not the least optimistic in the thread :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [K1]Luke
thats cause I hadn't posted yet :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Biglines
NC3? Now there's something I never thought would happen. I'm still skeptical, though. Is this going to be an entirely new game built from the ground up that continues where NC1/2 left off, a reboot of the current Neocron, or simply the same game with heavy updates?
I saw you said you'll be using the Gamebyro engine, but honestly that engine is already starting to show its age, releasing a Gamebyro-engine game 2-3 years from now it would already make it look outdated.
How is this being funded with so few devs? Going by what you said Kirk, it seems you're making NC3 a game "for the fans, by the fans". I think community interaction where decisions/polls can affect the development of the game is amazing. So then I assume this is just going to be a small release, we're not looking at any sort of boxed retail releases, heavy marketing, etc?
Can you guys consider having community members help with the process regarding things like UI design, models, skins, etc. There's some pretty talented people out there.
Make store bought and reconstructed weapons more viable. Store bought should run at say 80% of max dmg value. Reconstructed run at 100% of weapon damage and rares give 105% to reflect rare value.
Woc should be aesthetic only. Implement some form of gauging system to "earn" woc points. IE x number of runners killed by your team in a battleground sector (ops etc) or in team pvp. This value should be the only one used for woc. Then keep (maybe redo) the quests for woc so that people have some nice end game content to play with but it is not needed by the casual player.
Woc may well be easy to get in 2-3 weeks or whatever the comment was earlier but its not that simple to your average newly capped runner. When youve played the game for x number of years youre going to know all of the tricks of the trade obviously but when youre new (which this game direly needs) it doesnt compute like that. We dont need experts, we need new players.
How would this system remain from being horrifically abused?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
A special team type which would have to declare a fight against someone else? Who would have to agree? What if they didn't and just started fighting because they don't want you to get any WoC points? Force them to sign up to this system in order to participate in team PvP?
Sounds a lot like a certain game I know. Any kind of in-game benefit from kills would have to be so tightly regulated that it would wreck the free form PvP aspect of NC that we all know and love.
I agree though, WoC should not be a necessitated element of NC's end-game.
like said before, if you believe that woc is nescesary for endgame, you are mistaken, it is simply because you are not skilled enough to kill others, not because you don't have woc. I don't use woc on both my tank and my spy (except ak occasionaly but usually dissy), my ppu only uses woc pa because of a slight increase in heal ticks and shield strength, but it also makes me far easier to kill because i'm slow.
the only class that needs woc to be en par with other classes is the pe, the other 3 classes have no such need, the tank doesn't even come close to requiring woc, the spy only uses ak, but dissy is just as viable, ppu's and apus can use woc pa's, but its only slightly better and has a big negative as well.
as to leveling, if you have leveled to skill 100, it's about 10% extra. Even with rifles, if you leveled with rifles to level 100, it should take about 2 weeks of constant play, with means an extra day or 2 of woc leveling.
also, if you're leveling with for example drones, you need about 70m xp overcap anyway to be able to lom, why not go that 30m xp extra so you have woc? its not that hard.
the only class that's fucked concerning woc is the pe, but this is not because of woc, but because of the lower dex cap in relation to woc.
blaming it all on woc is far easier than admitting you're simply not good enough. Getting so tired of that excuse... there's hundreds of things wrong with nc, but woc is not one of them, or at least should be the least of our worries (aside from lowering woc requirements for pe, and adding woc weapons to apu, ppu and melee)
i switched off reading the rest of the post right there where the quote ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biglines
Some of us remember the days when woc didnt exist and there was more variation (i wont say balance) within the game. woc makes cookie cutter. anyone who doesnt use it uses a small number of other weapons which compete on the same sort of level. that forces choices rather than encouraging diversity to flourish. NC1 did it better in that respect.
Thats exactly the point. We have new runners now and then. But the problem is that those feel awfully lost if they do not get offered a hand or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
The helping hands are not the problem in NC. There are always some of them around. (at least on Mars it was like that)
The problem is that if you lead your trainee around the normal level spots and tell him the necessary steps, you sooner or later will run in some idiot bragging about how he caps in 2 days and how stupid the "noob" ist for doing it the normal way.
When your trainee asks how this guy archived this you have the choice of telling him or not. And of course the choice of telling him HOW or not...
Depending on how talkative the bragging guy is and how you handle the situation your trainee will sooner or later hear about all those "great and nice" exploits and stuff.
My experience shows that there are 2 main reactions to this:
1) The newcomer quits with the comment "If I can already exploit like this I don't want to image what the others do" (a very reasonable reaction imo)
or
2) He adopts the exploits... One exploiter more in this game. Not exactly what I am looking for. (Especially because I think early exploit experience may lead to future cheating...)
Only very few new runners stay to do it the "hard (normal) way".
And that's a BIG problem that prevents lots of new players to come and stay.
your problem, the rest of the post was a proper argued statement about how you were wrong about woc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Woc doesnt make cookie cutter, its the fact that only a few rare weapons are good, and the rest are all bad. Hell, 80% of the woc weapons are useless too. name one woc rifle thats good aside from ak? name one woc pistol other than xbow or bhg9? hell, name a single tank weapon?
the problem is in the "balancing", not woc. there are more viable rare weapons than woc weapons, hence, your argument is wrong, as saying woc makes cookie cutter depends on the fact that woc has to set the standard, which it doesn't. hell if you play the game, if you see a woc weapon aside from ak, it's either an ass using the woc rocket launcher, or a pe.
WOC is not the problem, they are just as crap or good as rare weapons. Hell without woc, there would be absolutely NO VARIATION, as only the dissy would be viable, none of the other rifles. WOC makes the current game LESS cookie cutter than without it.
That said, of course the changes to the weapons and damage since woc was introduced have fucked it up, but not woc in itself, as tanks, spies and monks are exactly as or more viable than woc variants.
I read your post, I still think your point is moot biglines.
Its not what woc is right now, its what they intended it to be thats the problem. If it was "fixed" and working as intended then it would cause more harm than current.
Your argument is in essence the same as mine. Im saying woc should not be in ANY FORM combat related. Youre saying woc is fine..... im not sure why but woc is shit how ever you look at it.
IF it was working as intended and going to be the be all and end all of pvp as it was originally intended it would be worse than it is currently. There shouldnt be an endless grind to get a "good weapon" for pvp.
Thats what everyone hates about woc, nothing to do with the half arsed version we have currently that you seem to be championing and banging on about how regular rares are ok etc.
EVERYONE pretty much wants to see a balanced form of combat across the board i think.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!! you all need to stfu. Just go get aim and stfu. i use a pistol tank unwoc in p2 and kill kids for fun. Get skills and come at me bro.
cool story bro tell it to someone who gives half a shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Flashlite
now back on topic.
Neocron 3?! NEVER!
Then again Duke Nukem Forever gets released next year :rolleyes:
Actually, I thought he was pretty much on topic!Quote:
Originally Posted by derretimos
i don't recall where i've read that Bethesda softwares got the right for Duke Nukem franchise... and it said that it would use Id tech 5 as game engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell-demon