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06-03-12, 19:33
Drachenpaladin

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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

Will help curb all these current script kiddies also

Sure, for some time after launch.
But Unity is, as far as i can see, a quite common engine by now. So there will be lots of script kiddies too, wouldn't count on a cheat-free environment with Unity.
w8 & c
06-03-12, 20:06
Jaeon

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Originally Posted by Drachenpaladin

Sure, for some time after launch.
But Unity is, as far as i can see, a quite common engine by now. So there will be lots of script kiddies too, wouldn't count on a cheat-free environment with Unity.
w8 & c

There is anti-cheat software out there for that. Also, i remember reading here somewhere that NC has alot of cheating due to the client.exe coding. Change the way it handles data and its harder to cheat.
06-03-12, 20:07
Drachenpaladin

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Originally Posted by Jaeon

There is anti-cheat software out there for that. Also, i remember reading here somewhere that NC has alot of cheating due to the client.exe coding. Change the way it handles data and its harder to cheat.

I'm sure that game-safety was important, but just saying.
06-03-12, 20:28
Eckhart

This, frankly, is fantastic news. I'll be all over this if and when it comes to fruit :)

Kirk...well played sir. Well played! :D
06-03-12, 22:50
Trivaldi

Split Thread

I've split this from the server move thread as I'm sure you will all agree, this deserves a topic of it's very own. ;)
06-03-12, 23:27
Tantta

I quickly put up a a short video. Its a slowed down version of the demo we saw in nukklear website. :)
There already seems to be some slight changes there and here. Not much thought, but it seems alienware has been left out now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPdeG...ature=youtu.be

Please excuse my english language.
07-03-12, 01:31
L0KI

This is great news. Muchos respect, Kirk.
07-03-12, 06:12
grosnanard

For my part, I would not mind a subscription giving access to all as we know it now and a system F2P giving penalty for xp and money when you kill a mob.
Some objects could not be bought in game for F2P players, but only through the Itemshop. As such, the apartments and furniture.
And to avoid transactions between players subscription and players F2P , it would have sold the objects in game are identical to those of the Itemshop but not used by F2P players.

I am glad that you want to save Neocron, I hope it will materialize, I would be the first to sign.

Please excuse my english language. :lol:
07-03-12, 06:53
Setlec

for years, i've been saying to use the current asset and port it to a new engine... NC reloaded proves it. Now unity based engine (april 2k9 was the date that unity community asked for a linux support never saw it officially being tagged as "started") ... errr... really? no linux client support? F2P model based + micro transaction? wallet-warriors freaks + WoWish morrons/whiners/carebears + K-"-8" kids, no thanks.

Mr. Trip, i think that if you host a classic NC server i would be playing there!

@Kirk, can we use the NC assets and port to D3 engine? qt is being implemented so we can enjoy cross-platform editing...
07-03-12, 06:57
Chuck Norris

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Originally Posted by Setlec

for years, i've been saying to use the current asset and port it to a new engine... NC reloaded proves it. Now unity based engine (april 2k9 was the date that unity community asked for a linux support never saw it officially being tagged as "started") ... errr... really? no linux client support? F2P model based + micro transaction? wallet-warriors freaks + WoWish morrons/whiners/carebears + K-"-8" kids, no thanks.

Mr. Trip, i think that if you host a classic NC server i would be playing there!

@Kirk, can we use the NC assets and port to D3 engine? qt is being implemented so we can enjoy cross-platform editing...

LOL really this is what you bring to the table? troll b riding durty

Cant wait to try out a beta!?!?!
07-03-12, 07:04
Setlec

FY Chuck! go troll somewhere else.
07-03-12, 07:17
daughterolilith

The nukklear.com/#en/_Company page does not work properly, the "read more" links under Latest News don't do anything! ;)

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Meet us at GDC in San Francisco
2012-03-05 | For appointments please email kay@nukklear.com read more...
Fission process started
2012-03-01 | We are going NUKKLEAR. read more...
Four video game industry veterans and gamers by heart set off to new frontiers.
2012-01-12 | The goal: Simply deliver the most fun, visually stunning and ass-kicking multiplayer games on tablets, browsers and other platforms - and truly connect people through them. read more...

nukklear.com/#en/_Neocron_Reloaded

(This is also very bad website design :) you should not use pages that can only be viewed with Javascript, as they will not be able to be found with search engines like Google! :)

NEEDS TO BE A "REAL" PAGE e.g. nukklear.com/Neocron_Reloaded :)

Also people with Noscript [ www.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoScript ] cannot view your site by default, or people who access the page from corporate or work environments that do not allow JavaScript because of the security risks! :) )

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Neocron Reloaded
Neocron is back. In the browser.Bigger. Better. Free2Play.

Neocron Reloaded
Is the successor of Europe's true pioneer in MMO's � re-imagined and completely re-engineered for the 21st century.

Get ready for the next evolution of neocron, setting out to raise the bar for Free-to-Play MMO games.

BACKGROUND:
- launched 2002 as the first German made MMO, years ahead of genre champion World of Warcraft.
- Set apart from the Orcs & Elfs genre stereotypes with its unique cyberpunk/apocalyptic setting and gaining a large following active until today
- More than 250.00 players generated revenues exceeding 14 Million Dollars
- Over 100 million hours played
- 3 available language options

STORY/SETTING:
- set in a post-apocalyptic 28th century
- two large cities emerge from the final conflict, but are now on the brink of destruction again: Neocron and Dome of York
- if you like Blade Runner, you will love neocron

GAMEPLAY:
- Hybrid FPS/MMORPG
- Skill based character development system � no level grind
- Optional in-game PVP protection (no physical divide between PVP and PVE players)
- Advanced faction system boosting PVP gameplay

FEATURES:
- 4 character classes with 5 main skills and 32 subskills each
- 12 different player factions
- 7 trade skills and thousands of recipes
- More than 5000 player usable items
- Housing option with more than 50 distinct apartment types available
- Hundreds of housing items, from trophies to furniture
- 40 player usable transportation technology from bikes to tanks and planes
- more than 900 different zones

TECHNOLOGY:
- neocron in its current version is a client based MMO
- proprietary client/server and network technology
- neocron RELOADED will utilize the highly advanced Unity engine technology, paired with our proven, reliable and scalable network and backend technology, community support tools and maintenance tools

nc RELOADED is NOT developed from scratch, with a very good reason:
- cost effective development utilizing already available assets and mechanics which will be brought up to todays high-quality standard
- a very unique setting which still stands out from any competition
- a uniquely short development cycle of 12 months to release

nc RELOADED will be a browser based game - no client install necessary

BUSINESS MODEL:
- Free-to-Play
- * Monetization through micro-transactions on item purchases (boosters, stats, time savers)
* Optional subscription model and convenience packages for high-rollers

A DEMO IS AVAILABLE TODAY SHOWING THE POTENTIAL OF neocron RELOADED on Unity.

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Originally Posted by Kirk Lenke

Unity offers many ways, so please do not panic :)
Our demo currently can be played as
- client
- webbrowser via flash
- unity plugin in webbrowser

all the same quality.

We know what you want and I also do know that most of you guys to not want Neocron to become a Free To Play title as well.

Cheers,
Kirk
07-03-12, 07:17
daughterolilith
I have translated discussion elsewhere from a thread about micropayments :)
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Originally Posted by MadMeleeFreak

As someone who has lived through the contra-productive excesses of the stores put in Black Prophecy, and participated in much of the loud protests (not entirely clear how much of it at all there was the fault of Reakktor though and not Gamigo - they were certainly not innocent), I would like this time, here, straight from the outset for the community and Reakktor try constructively to influence the design.

So that it is not a failure like Black Prophecy this time.

I would like to note at the outset that I think it is different from BP at this NC Revamp for the most sensible way to put on f2p with shop. It is important to always keep in mind to make the micropayment reasonable and fair and that was for Black Prophecy (despite contrary assertions by Mr. Streppel and bulk) simply never the case.

As I imagine it now before micropayment Specifically:

First things first: Any boosters that directly influence the battle, and thus affect character values, armor values or weapons temporarily values should be taboo.
That is:
No drugs (Redflash, Blue Ferry and co)
No damage booster
No Resibooster
... etc

Do you and us a favor and do not make it a Pay 2 Win.
In addition to the in-game currency, there should be a second currency that can only be obtained with reelem money for the next time I call them "Nukkleons".
The shop should be different from Gamigo, following the example of Star Trek Online or other Cryptic games to be integrated directly into the game. Say there are dealers where you pay the normal ingame currency dealer where you pay with Nukkleons.
The items in question: Housing, ie large unfurnished apartments - as well as high-quality furniture sets - should be Buyable only with Nukkleons.
Only one account per player is allowed. Each account has a Charslot and you can earn up to four more against Nukkleons. I think a price equivalent to 10 � per slot is appropriate.
The various items that were GM-only items (golden PAs Artifact Const / Ress tools) I think are also reasonable candidates to be bought with Nukkleons.
The following boosters I would find useful:

XP Booster: Increases XP gain for a given period. Standard item. Doesn't hurt anyone, helps people with less time to play due to jobs etc to keep up with everyone else.
Item wear-and-tear booster: One of the many stumbling blocks in BP was the fact that you had to pay for repairs. In my opinion you have been trying to pull the horse from the wrong side: Much more acceptable and constructive to fun gameplay i think would be offering boosters to reduce Item wear-and-tear for convenience.
Drop-chance boosters: Boosters increase the drop rate of valuable items (Rare Parts, good weapons).
Slot-enhancers should be turned from drop items to being able to bue bought with Nukkleons, since thye are very rare and the construction of weapons used to be. No change in operation, so two or three guaranteed slots for weapons.
Tools should also wear out and this should influence efficiency and success rate. The previously-mentioned buyable wear-and-tear reduction boosters would apply to all items. The aforementioned Artifact (120%) tools are not repairable.
Items bought with Nukkleons should be freely tradable, because from whom the money given to Reakktor comes from should be completely irrelevant.
Biglines proposed a parallel subscription offer that exclusively includes a permanent XP Boost, Item Boost and wear drop rate boost. Here one could again follow the example of Cryptic and pack the same amount of a monthly fixed Nukkleons with pure, and free access to all five char slots, if you subscribed to the same for half a year.

I'm sure the rest of you has something to contribute.
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Originally Posted by MadMeleeFreak

Everything that directly influences Char-/Weapons-/Armorstats should be taboo because it leads to Pay2Win.

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Originally Posted by Dragon Paladin

Alternative textures / clothes for the chars, to arise to the Rokkawear.

The KK-items should be designed so that it appeals to every group of players rather than just for some, otherwise the problem will arise immediately that there will be a feeling that one has to pay for this or grind play more than others.

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Originally Posted by Bullenbeisser

So to get massively-multiplayer online game players now you must make a game free to play.
People want to watch the first game free.
And if it pleases them, then they also buy like crazy in the Item Shop.
You could put friction rings (washers) in the item shop in the beta, and people would still buy them. This happened in the APB beta eg Sun. Even in the beta time when there was the item shop, people bought weapons / vehicles like crazy.

What you absolutely need to make sure remains pure is the ability to design the Character for free, and the clothes. But then you can sell in the item shop special symbols / fonts etc. that other people cannot get.

Of course you the unboosted drop rate should stay at the current level ingame. I remember the discussion about the fact that in BP the drops were deliberately reduced, in order for it to be "necessary" for the player to buy boosters.

Another idea: Belt-insurance, when belt is dropped they cannot be used? Make sense? It doesn't matter for me, but it would be safer for the LE hardliners among us whom for PVP is a no-go, and encourage them to try PVP where they would not otherwise.

Also: Vehicles - There is the question again whether it would be that Combat Vehicles would be affecting balance and thus fall under Pay 2 Win. But for example, faster / indestructible versions of non-combat vehicles could be acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Kamuix99

All I can say only one thing:

F2P was shit, shit F2P is F2P and will always be shit!

I think this whole F2P current hype is for nothing else than China-romance. The only reason that all the games, cloned thousands of times, sell well there - and in Korea - is the audience. They will play any trash because Western games are not allowed to do business by the government there, and they will happily give out rela money. But once such a game is running elsewhere other than Asia, the plug is pulled again.

Producing a product takes time and money. This money is not on the road, I have to get all the money back that was spent in production, plus overheads, to even make even before profit. Then I have to motivate the players to spend money on store items. And for PVP dominated play, that becomes about Pay 2 Win.

Finally, such models also draw a large portion of people I would generally describe as scum. With people that only play free games, they are often worth nothing - the game development has failed when the game has become a nursery where I do not want to play!

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Originally Posted by Dragon Paladin

Sorry, but this argument fails, these scum people we had very very much plenty of with Pay2Play. ;)

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Originally Posted by Kamuix99

I do not agree.

When is it pay to play, there is a certain threshold for idiots to make a joke of it just to cause trouble and get their arse kicked out of the game. Such people can then have their monthly fee of 5,00 EUR held from them, losing their money.

Weiterhin h�lt das auch Leute ab, die auf Grund ihres Verhaltens f�r einen oder mehrere Monate aus dem Spiel fliegen sich einfach neue Accounts anzulegen und da fr�hlich weiter zu machen, wo sie aufgeh�rt haben.

And in the long run, we have a P2P system, only the people in the game, who actually care about it. Who has not heard of those people who are too lazy to do the tutorials to help themselves by learning, but instead constantly spamming channels with questions about the allergrunds�tzlichsten? (not sure what this translates as) Or we have others that spend whole days doing nothing more than spreading in a variety of channels how bad they think the game is. If people are to remain in the game have to pay something, the decision whether or not they do it is relatively quick, so this is not good.

It does make sense that sometimes company employees would go to other games and try to spread disinformation to hurt competitiors, ha.

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Originally Posted by Kamuix99

A massively-multiplayer online game does not live only by good graphics and game content but also largely on the atmosphere/climate that is there in the gaming community. And of course, when it is paid for with monthly fees there is more chance that the boys and girls will be encouraged to learn to act more maturely to not get banned.

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Originally Posted by MadMeleeFreak

The threshold for keeping the really bad people out is not high enough, yes. We had all the clans in NC dominated by such chavs that think it is fun to gank others and that is the only thing they did.

P2P is better than F2P on the whole in my opinion simply because the bad examples of F2P far outweigh the good. BUT: Even with a working net code, and NC 2 getting a new engine, it probably would still not get enough people to ensure that they pay on a P2P basis. This we know now.

And quite honestly, the threshold for people who are too stupid to play in this particular case is the hardcore community and its dealings with the rest of the community. It is THEY who show up as gankers in NC, as just business as usual. This fact does not come the game not costing anything, but because of the game being set up as it is that it rewards such antisocial people.

For me, this remains an argument against F2P for NC only because of the fear of Pay 2 Win, as it is looking like that micropayments may become. The goal is to participate constructively with Reakktor, as it is rather pointless to scold them just like angry little kids roaring "NO" over and over again.

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Originally Posted by MadMeleeFreak

I think NC has the great advantage of having been conceived as P2P in the first time. Thus during the development, fun and motivation of the player was the priority and not thinking about "what I can lock off so the player must continue to spend money".

The game and the community is not just a pure PvP game.

Especially for Explorers and Roleplayers, Neocron has the potential to offer much more than other MMOs if Reakktor works on attracting these more casual players.

In addition, the PvP wear-and-tear is a sophisticated system that is very rare in the genre where other games have to constantly offer new weapons and new equipment.

It became always inevitable that some people would prefer to play with PvE and trade skills. And right there is for NC to give them coal to buy with micropayments, without having to make it the Pay 2 Win.

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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin

F2P course involves always high risk, as micropayments have maid many similar F2P titles fail. Ultimately there is very little trust, a lot of people have been put off or leave from playing the genre, and need convincing that it will respect them.

For my part, I can say for me:
Browser-based F2P = Possible Win
Browser-based P2P = Fail .. again as some young people just sit on 3 servers ^ ^

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Originally Posted by psychowar

My opinion on this subject:

Leave everything as it is, but just -20% (loot, rewards, gain xp etc) and give the full 100% only to to people who pay the monthly.

I don't like this micropayment stuff at all. I would like to pay my monthly fee, and that is good. Not pay for every little fart something.

Yes, this is pretty much my concern too, I think they need to think ver carefully to avoid it being like this:
oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nickel-and-dime
google.com/search?q=nickel dime OR dimed "free to play" OR "f2p"
:)

Like with real life fashion, a lot of people will want to pay high prices just to get something other people cannot afford, because they want to show off. :) Leaks, riots, and monocles: how a $60 in-game item almost destroyed EVE Online, Ben Kuchera, ars technica, 2011-07-11

� It does not really do any harm as long as these items don't give hard advantages but DO allow people to skip the grinding if they do not have time to get large amounts of money ingame.

It is fair to let people buy in-game cash because it equalises people who have to spend real life time doing constructive things in the real world, with those who can play all the time. It also is good for giving motivation to those people who otherwise would just play games all the time that contributing to the real world is also important, not just games. ;)

CONTINUED IN NEXT POST DUE TO CHARACTER LIMIT :)
07-03-12, 07:18
daughterolilith

CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST DUE TO CHARACTER LIMIT - I have translated discussion elsewhere from a thread about micropayments :)

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Originally Posted by devilstriker

Oh the WoC launcher, to have fun with that I would be happy to be paying money, naja wurde dann ja auch mehr als ein Mal als Assi betitelt.

- LOM pills, you should be able to buy cash pills where you can get no more SI.

- Vehicles should be able to change the paint coat of and the armour style, if you cash out.

- It could be that like in APB, people making their own logos and tinkering may be good to limit the number of forms available to use so that there cannot be ugly appearances by people who think showing that they have money for the sake of showing that they have money looks sexy.

- For a premium account then I'd also like to dig out money, a little more XP + a little more money is alright.

Part-Rare drops from the open world must remain just as common in the case of free for as paying players, otherwise you can forget the game's own economy.

- Remove Safe Zones, so Apartments have more importance and can thus increase the demand for housing to be bought with real cash items. In addition, this would stop Synchlaming that doofs do around Safe Zones in PvP.

- Purchasable trophies that you cannot normally otherwise get (GM spawns etc) such as the Master Hunter Trophy, or some completely new Designs too.

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Originally Posted by Powerpunsch

It would be pretty senseless to have weapons sold for real money in a game where they can be immediately dropped and lost.

Neocron was a hybrid - If this is made sure to be kept in mind when implementing the payment models cleverly, then the game should turn out well. Some people want to pay monthly with some exceptions to buy other items, some people want to play for free and can not use the whole content or only with the cash shop.

When the game goes free to play they need to make sure that drugs do not get censored from the game, otherwise the group Black Dragon makes no sense. Make access to Pepper Park from 18 years old up, so that people who are under 18 may not sync into the zone.

Edit: A self-modifiable monthly payment system would also be cool, letting people choose their own options. As with Sky Television or Premiere.
Can get different things in and out of the book - That would be EPIC!

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Originally Posted by Habit

Syncing? I hope this time the remake comes with seamless zones ... (Unity already supports doing this)

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Originally Posted by Tankjr

A post from ERTEN Nc, a player, whose e-mail is not answered, and so he therefore can not participate in the forum:

VERY important, you should only be able to buy in a shop in NC what ou can also get without money normally in NC. An item that affects gameplay that you can only get if you pay for - but people that do not pay can never get - is unfair.

To be able to go on any difficult mission as easy, and everyone else only able to go with partners (I'm invincible because I have more money - power armor) would cause a lot of frustration and make people leave.
Exceptions are probably as the ones already people have mentioned, stuff that does not go above the level of EXP or wear-and-tear reduction boosters. Reduce grind but not give advantages.

Changing the game in my opinion you should really do properly. If you leave the game as it is, with just cheaters, hacks, bugs, exploits, etc., and simplifying and Bezahlungsm�glcihkeiten (shitstorm?) Voila.... ****** WoW history is better in my opinion XD

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Originally Posted by Tolots

Proposals for Buyable Content in F2P

* New Avatar models, Cosmetic modification of avatars
* Always adding new clothes, sunglasses, Zigs - Reakktor, people will buy them!
* Customisation of clothes appearance, colours and decorations
* Premium textures, paint jobs, clan or faction logo for weapons, armor, vehicles

* Premium Vehicle blueprints, a Unique model that must be assembled with ingame materials and is "indestructible". That is, if Destroyed you can get it from the garage after 6 hours waiting time for a new spawn with 1% condition - in which the repair costs are the same as a comparable non cash shop vehicle. This is in contrast to the CS Vehicle where you simply lose it forever if it makes BOOM. Make it a Timed Item, for 3 months - No better stats than a comparable non CS Vehicle.

Possibly a texture and paint job pack for every NPC faction to better identify people with their NPC factions.

* Inventory extensions of all kinds
* Item that allows the LE to be restored, but only available once a month [to prevent remove-add-remove laming].
* Apartments, NEW premium furniture all available in ADDITION to the existing furniture.

* LOM pills without SI (should be relatively expensive)
* GenRep hacker Card = Information for giving the avatar entry to all the GenReps.
* Slot enhancer
* EXP Booster
* Quick Expansion Slot Control + 1,2,3 .... Alt + 1,2,3 ... ect
* Entering the Anarchy Breed NEW AREA, based on the main prison in the Outzone.
(IF POSSIBLE would be my dream I had since the release of Neocron)
* Simplified faction change, limited to 1 time per month.

* Convenience options for consumable items, one-time activation locks them as activated forever for the avatar's options.

Stamina Booster, Med packs ect in Quickbelt refilled automatically from the inventory as long as you have supplies in their inventory. Or the ability to create stacks with 99 charges.

As an alternative to F2P model could also provide the content currently available FREE as a base for most of the game and now following NEW CONTENTS, make available only on subscription. New zones, monsters, bosses, only to subscription. Dropped loot can be freely traded with free players also.

This model has made a profitable business with Ultima 7, which has in my opinion, only slightly better graphics now

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Originally Posted by Terror_Nonne

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Originally Posted by Kamuix99

All I can say only one thing:

F2P was shit, shit F2P is F2P and will always be shit!

Just see, maybe you will ask yourself in 4-6 years: "Why could it not have taken the path of running the Esenthel engine instead?"

And APB, I love GTA, prior years I would have so desired a GTA III, the time has come, and APB ran very close - but the shop, I've never bought anything and never really felt the urge to. Although I found it quite interesting. But since nothing in the shop was really much...

So you can make the game then ... I'm sure I would be soon laughing about, when you decide you have to put a shop in your game too.

I would like to see the removal of drugs because it is so easy for people to hack the game visually to make sure they have no screen fuzz - it just makes the advantage even bigger for hackers - plus really, really, it is just not fun at all when you have to choose between grinding to pay for drugs to be able to play fairly on the same level as everyone else - or the anti-fun design of the come-down times of drugs which literally encourage people to LEAVE because it's no fun staring at a fuzzing screen - what no game should ever do...
� for a fun game everyone needs to have similar stats and no advantages over other people, lack of a fair game playing environment is what I think made even most of the hardcore PVPers leave (the community and roleplyer people leave beacuse of lack of other people around, that there is no atmosphere).
07-03-12, 08:00
Doc Holliday

Just a brief comment about the instancing idea as a few people have remained adamant about NOT including it and it was me who brought it to the thread.

I have been reading another mmo forums briefly (the other day) which is heavily instanced in all aspects of its game and the people there are complaining about the lack of world pvp (i love that term. so dumb. its not world pvp. its ganking) and by now im sure you can guess im talkin about wow.

basically they are saying they want MORE world pvp as all everyone does is queue for pvp instances (arena/battleground) and sits in one of the capital cities all day.

So. No. skip the instancing idea. pvp in levelling spots is waaaaaaaaay more fun. the video looks awesome. im still confused however as to what the short term/long term plans are.

In a nutshell the plan is to redo NC as it is in unity as a short term goal to revitalise the company. Long term is nc3.

so what happens with the current NC as we have right now (2.2)? just switch it off eventually.

ok. one thing i would like to ask and im sure people would agree.

Can we please reserve names for chars for the future. Some of us are attached to them. some of us dont run the risk of losing them as they are very unique. im sure others do. i know i would. and i would cry. alot. ;)

other than this jesus i really do wish i could help out in some way. i will help in anyway poss. :)

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