Come one guys, cool it down a bit. After all, we wouldn't want MayhemMichael to be sad, would we? Hmm, that name sounds familiar. :p
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Come one guys, cool it down a bit. After all, we wouldn't want MayhemMichael to be sad, would we? Hmm, that name sounds familiar. :p
I'm incognito Niddy. :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidhogg
Back to the rage topic: I just saw the post by Triv about adding new members to the vol team. That's a great idea and would be a great step in the right direction for Neocron. I'm sure over the past decade that many members of the community have gained a great deal of knowledge and experience in their personal lives and could contribute to growing and the development of Neocron. If you ever need help on the business side (marketing or accounting) of it, i'd be happy to do it pro bono.
Mike just so you know the phrase "good enough for government work" is actually used by people who work for the government who do work.
You cannot use it to describe nc lol. Noone here is in any kind of government. :)
It's not used by people who work for the government. Google the meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
I really admire the volunteer team, I don't even have time to play NC let alone help run it.
If this game gets fixed i'll have to teach and pay a WoW farmer to level a H-C/T-C tank for me :o
Back to the rage topic: "If you can do better, step up. If not, piss off."
It's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by MayhemMichael
1. it's summer and there's nothing we can do about that.
2. the recent patches were PvP-centric, so non-PvP-centric casual players are slightly repelled. this could be adressed.
I just wonder about some people's comments here about bugs/exploits/whatever not being fixed ...
Besides the fact that there have been long lists of changes and fixes already, the upcoming pacthes noted on other threads in the forums (already released at the test server?) show, that there is some work on them.
Sometimes I have the feeling some people expect that their reported bug will be fixed and released immediatelly, best within the next 24 hours ... oh wait, better even shorter!
I can imagine, they get more than enough reports, which are listed, tested and then trying to find the point where it can be fixed. As some announce themselves here to be programmers themselves, they should know pretty well that's not done in just 5 minutes, the less if its about a game (and not just a simple application). I am scripter/coder myself, but honestly I wouldn't dare to try with Neocron Code as it first is not my programming language and second it may be a bit too big for me.
I'd just say, go to the test servers (in case they are on), check the lastest test patches and see if your reported Bug is fixed or not. Even if not, just notice that there IS some bugs fixed. So your reported one may be the next one on the list.
Just be patient ... things will come, I am sure of that.
And yeah, maybe I am too optimistic, but I've seen worse time ... way worse ...
I cant tell you why so many ppl are gone but what i can tell you is why the infected players are (currently at least i hope so) gone or idle:
Most of us enjoy the PvP in Neocron. The issue was that slow balancing and patching bugs related to PvP (Clipping etc) forced us to adjust our classes an playstyle to be able to compete against the other strong PvP players. But the drawback of stacking spys and using op weapons was that PvP newcomers had 0 chance against us. We tried your best let them take place in the OP-Fight business but as we all know survival of the fittest is doing a good job even in computer games. So the map was dominated by 2 or 3 Clans. As usual fighting the same enemy over and over again is getting boring. The fact that there are some very efficent tactics that we consider as abuse or not working as in intended at OP-Fights made us even more disappointed in fighting some clans. We discussed that over and over again on the teamspeak/ooc/wisper etc. But some Player will always seek for a way to have an advantage over other Players. I thinks that this was one of the main issues why more and more clans were leaving the OP-Fight business. Additionally the server preformes was often very unstable. To quot our whatsapp group: "Server online ?" "No" "Ok i`m back in a week! See ya" or "Any enemies online" "LG 1 FF 2 PPB 0 ;-)" "ok i'm gonna clean the road bye".
I hope thats this will represent the most opinions of the infected players.
Anyway we had a good time!
Thanks to FF and LG and all the other for some great fights.
Hope to see you ingame soon after sparta is finally applied.
Cheers
Hackebeil
Thread closed...
Oh, and thanks for the interesting debate over lunch. I actually had nothing to do so had a bag of crisps, a bar of dairy milk and a tin of diet coke.
Lunch +1
Much Love!
Well we are in the summer slump right now when people are outside more and the steam sales distract people as well, I'm still trying to finish all the games I bought (Aint even started most of em). Sparda will most likely help make the population come back up as will winter.
What we really need for the population to really get going again is advertising when they have fixed stuff up, till then its always going to be a bit low. Sadly it might affect other peoples enjoyment. Another reason I've not played in a while is I got bored of the only pvp being in pp1 and it always being the same people.
The community doesn't help either really, I could handle fighting the same people if it was the right people but the same people usually entailed either VIRUS with a 10 man OP team or infected with a 10 man OP team. This ended up making the only pvp in the game pointless which then as this game is basically only pvp made the game pointless.
Well.. and theres only so long you can fight people hitting with 100% of their shots while claiming they are just awesome before you wait for the GMs to stop letting their friends cheat. Yes this post will most likely get deleted for this part of the post and my account banned.. but its pretty well known that some of the GMs give their mates guns and hack, if they don't stop this game is good as dead. Volunteering doesn't give you free reign to cheat.
I can tell you why I didn't come back and suggested to my old buddies not to either:
Recent moderation/admin decisions have shown that despite all the changes and time that has passed, there's still the same old shitty attitude to players. "This is our decision, even though it makes no sense and we can't explain or justify it, listen to it or be banned. PS: No further discussion or bans will be issued" etc etc
Sorry, but that attitude turned me off NC almost a decade ago, it isn't going to wash now. For this to be a community, there needs to be respect between the players, the mods and the devs. Unfortunately....
I recognize what you're referring to, and I'm not seeing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Snow
Go away then, stop lurking mate :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Snow
Sucks that when AD finally gets a bunch of people the other op fighting clans (no, not the pp1 op fight heroes known as Infected and Virus) go AWOL. Find your ways back please. My ionic is thirsty for blood.
lol Kanedax. Have they improved with the PVP zoneline antics or is it the same old same old? The lack of a good quality fight is what put most people off nc I think.
Its a sad day when the community is the biggest nail in the coffin of progress. The dev team do an outstanding job and the community fuck it all up with such ridiculous antics.
I couldn't agree more.There still IS a possibility to generate income off Neocron 2 IF you put a lot of hard & focussed work into it (getting the GFX to a whole new level,increase things to do and what not..)but we all know that from a businessman's POV: thats anything but profitable and is unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by MayhemMichael
Instead of letting the game die like Sony/LA did with SWG,handing out the source would be the nod towards the community many,many people were waiting for.Talented peeps with dedication and enough drive to accomplish something with that would renew the lifecycle of NC,paving the way for a certain company to be the Phoenix out of the ashes if they manage to pull up part 3.
There were countless Ultima Online shards but the official re-opened servers are still used & populated so even if you got homemade-competition,if you're good in doing what you do then people will come back "home".
Treating Neocron as a "product" or a "money printing machine" that needs to be locked away until god-know's-when is the wrong aproach,it's far more than that.For some,it became the ideal game despite all its flaws and they want nothing else than a game that is/was just like NC.
Rescuing Neocron with 90's mentality didn't work out,try the 2013+ approach.
Also:who mentioned Shadow Harvest?
@William
The zone whoring is actually worse now because if there is anyone to fight at all it's a full op team of 10 people with at least 1 ppu. Kthxbai
Simples. No safe zones anywhere :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanedax
I'm sure back in the day even Plaza 1 was a free fire zone.
Well, with dynamic safezones now, they could easily experiment with it. Why don't we try having no safezones for a day or two and just see what happens?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roburn Bliss
If you want to kill what little atmosphere is left then you could go no safe zones. There would would be no more pokers / tradeskillers who werent LE'd hanging around anywhere, everyone would stick to their appys. Do people just hang out casually in p2 or PP? Nope. This is what killed Techhaven, turning it into a non safe zone pretty much guaranteed that no one would ever hang out there. People need a place to just hang out and not worry about being killed, a place to focus on bullshitting and tradeskilling.
Faction HQ's.
Good read, haven't laughed so hard since last week. Thanks man.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkPhoenix
Same. ^Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Snow
Tech haven should be a safezone but nothing else, and the safezone to non-safezone exits of it should be made pvp free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faid
if tech haven becomes a safe zone then you can make the argument that both military base and the canyon should be too. Just because it was a safezone doesnt mean it SHOULD be.
Personally i dont think it should. it served its purpose. I think faction HQs should have a safe zone area within them that allows for the standing around bullshitting and socialising within the game and plaza 1 and 2 as it will enhance the new runner experience by keeping those 2 zones to plot some dedicated missions/dungeons within the immediate inner city limits before they press on out to pepper park/the outzone etc.
On the subject of Faction HQs i also think they shouldnt be used as a safezone to run in to and hide if you get jumped near by. Your attacker should be able to pursue you but have to deal with the guards blasting him too so, while its not without risk, there is more of a sense of predator and prey and some real risk of death on both sides. If the prey cant turn and shoot back when he has support of the guards then hes either a tradeskiller or a coward (or hes in virus :)) but either way this is still supposed to be a cyberpunk game.
Besides. if he dies he drops a belt. he can just respawn inside the safe zone gr area and go get his belt. no biggie.
About 20 of us were discussing a new game to try and I mentioned neocron, so many are turned off by the moderation and lack of support, I felt like there was nothing else to say to counter...
Good luck
A
Complaining is always easy. Tell us how we can improve and what exactly is missing in terms of moderation and support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Threat45
Although I quoted this specific comment, my statement applies in general to anywhom who complains.
Slauncha,
Alduin
I agree with this :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Faid
I do miss being able to chill in Tech Haven chatting crap. Whenever I made a new toon it was the second place i'd tag after getting point red... on some of my later toons I didn't even bother with it. Little/no point going there unless you're passing through to go to the WoC places or using the armor vendor (and appys to an extend I guess)
Why not make Tech Haven a safe zone and everywhere else no safe zones... Guess you could temporarily remove SI / implant loss upon death and see how that goes. Tech Haven would once again be a bustling trade centre and the streets of NC would have you facing potential danger around every corner.
I mainly stopped playing due to boredom and (back then) what seemed to be a lack of direction/future. Whilst the game appears to be going in a very positive direction due to the volunteers I can't see myself having spare time going forward what with the up and coming game/console release schedule. Last time I did login I didn't see any name I recognised either :(
As for me I miss Neocron being a lawless gameplay environment to interract with, complete with the usual COD type "you suck noob learn to play" to the casual, foul mouthed player to the 100% in character RP guy.
Basically, you used to be able to be what you without much slap on the wrist from GMs, especially with regards to player expression. People had, for instance, retardedly offensive names, and clan images were conceptualized with the most putrageous antics ever.
Mind you back then, I was 15yrs old or something.
Mind you back then, I was a paying customer.
I am now 30yrs old and it really annoys me how GMs are now cracking down on language and shit, as if were supposed to be role models to others or something.
This is a game ffs. You guys put more hassles and annoyances on it than when I used to play and payfor it.