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Ive been around since 2002, and ive been constantly flaming on this game and telling me just to stop. But for some reason i just constantly play it, I enjoy the PVP I enjoy the leveling. The population was what killed it, but there is so much to do to be honest. Even though the aim is hit boxes it slows free movement and its not one of those games where you click a quickbar and skill spam or 1 button instant heal potions. Thats is the greatest thing about this game.
its just utterly unforgettable..
ever since i first heard about it in 98 or so (like alpha i believe) i have kept track of it until i decided to play in 03... left a few times but every time i would play another mmo, i would think "gee NC did this so much better" or "man i wish they would do something like this in NC".
in short NC has become my subconcious barometer of an MMO's pro's and con's.
The pvp, the character development, the open-ended ness, and for me the most important: the lack of emphasis of "uber epixz". Hell if you have skill, you can make up for hte lack of gear (in most cases anyway ^_^) - that is what makes NC so much better than any other MMO.
long live NC. May it go on til the day I die and then some! (and since im only in my 20s i hope NC lives a good long while)
way too old & dusty.
Geez, do something with it or let it die and hand out "Private Server Files".
Was a good time but theres no way i would pay another Cent for
the "Game" that is running on the retail servers right now.
Why is 'cron great?
Why does it persist?
Cron is one of those games, that's gone through a lot of phases, there was a time when it was even, perhaps a little like a community project.
It had a ropey and uncertain history, but the community has always been so strong that they don't want to let it go.
The community speaks for itself, so many individuals, each unique, and memorable, sure that doesn't always mean it's roses but that is part of the attraction.
Neocron had a gritty, really grungey feel to it, combined with adrenaline pumping pvp - even though the PvP was fairly simple, and a learning curve that keeps it engaging, even for the elite.
Might sound simple, but it's a niche game.
There's very little else like it - at the moment, nothing infact.
TR tried a similar vein, but completely lost it, so what's different in Neocron other than the PvP/PvE?
The Devs here aren't just some guy parading his face around making bold statements that no one really gives a crap about.
The Devs pay attention, the GMs and Mods are all attentive and very much involved, again, community.
But it's a community KK helped cultivate, whether they knew it and had the aim to or not.
I think I still have a PM in my inbox from MJS telling me how much he loves this game and the people who play it.
It's bonds like those that helped form this community, and the continued effort of those who carried on.
....I'm obviously, far less involved than I once was, but this place, still owns my favourite MMO.
My favourite game-wide community too.
'Cron is unique, in a lot of ways. I'll forever be fond of this place.
now theres a name i havent seen in years :lol:
We're lurking in the shadows :)
In any case... What QD said is spot on. I have tried a lot of MMOs, trying to fill the void that Neocron left when I stopped playing it.
There is no other game like it and I basically get all teared up just by thinking about about the great times I had in Neocron.
I guess the dream scenario would be if someone could see the potential and continue the game on perhaps a licensing basis. I'm not talking about a big game studio here, Neocron will and should never have a very large player base in my opinion.
Dreaming is free and real world costs however :(
But who knows what will happen, dreams can come true right? ;)
If I weren't tied up myself at the moment I would probably be spam... I mean making inquiries to SnowCrash about different plans :p
I hope you are all well, in case anyone remembers me and The Green Machine (Saturn before Pluto opened -> Pluto -> Terra) :p
God speed in 2009.
EDIT (after some loud noises): Praetorian is in my closet he says hi as well. Not easy with a Swedish/Danish same-sex relationship these days... "I want sausage!" "No I want meatballs!" etc etc...
Although I must admit, taking it literally, it does come quite natural to fulfill both requests o_O
While this game is certainly unique and deserved more attention than it got - lets not put on those rose tinted glasses just yet. Sure, now there's a fair amount of communication. Why? Because most of the people here now know everyone else on a personal level.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuantumDelta
Lets not pretend that communication was a KK strong point seeing as its' apathy in regards to it helped dwindle the playerbase significantly.
Mistakes were made, don't gloss over them or they'll be made again.
I'm not trying to stir shit up, but damn - I couldn't read that without letting loose a 'are you serious' type of giggle.
I have to completely agree with every word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marx
Clearly I had an other mindset going when reading QD's post :p
Not by ANY way marginalising any problems we had...
He's saying there is communication between devs and community... i mean, I've only been around for a year or so but I've never ever seen anything like 2 sided communication
The only contact I've seen in over a year is the occasional post from Snowcrash, and the unquestionable omni-presence of Nidhogg, whom, sadly; isn't a dev.
There was communication years ago, when QD actually played the game. It's unfair to say that KK built the community though. We built the community ourselves (With the assistance of Nidhogg's ban-hammer, which kept the 'crap' out).
I co-run a two man company, and if we communicate with our forum only weekly, we feel guilty.
I have always just found it so, so hard to understand how their minds must work. I'm almost certain that Neocron has completely been given up on now.
It's a shame, but what an amazing game it was and to some degree, still is.
Well, I didn't quite mean to make it sound single handedly their master-stroke if that's how it did sound, but I meant that, unlike most MMOs, they gave the community a sense of worth.
If not now, then back then, the QA worked with community members, and community members banded around the idea that they could help KK implement features which would improve the game.
I can imagine things have changed at KK to a degree where it makes that extremely hard now, but in terms of developers - there aren't many that would have ever tried that.
What was the AO Dev quote? "Put as little responcibility into the client as possible"? :P
He was talking about things for the sake of security for the most part of course but it's been applied to pretty much every aspect of MMOs since.
I digress anyway.
Interaction and the attentiveness of the staff(and volunteer staff) back then, helped the worst parts of what would have been the community to be annexed, whilst the good stuff went on.
Sure, it wasn't all roses, but online it rarely ever is. - Whilst the community that remains has a strong bond with eachother this was originally because of the way that KK went about doing business.
Mob mentality doesn't change much from place to place, the only thing that considerably effects it is authority, so yes, although the community at large has itself to thank, there is an initial impetus which came from the staff;P
This is the main reason I never really stayed when I came back once or twice, I took a look around saw what was new evaluated whether it'd be worth playing or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by L0KI
Honestly? It isn't for me anymore - other games have stolen my free time.
But that would be different if things were the way they were, the community is still amazingly strong here and props to it for not falling into decadence.
'Cron however doesn't feel continually refreshed(ing) like it used to it feels a little like it's lost it's way to me, sure I saw an attempt to return to the old ways but that just leaves a sore, broken area on the map that should really have been put to good use.
Hense why from my perspective, it can only really be the community that's keeping everyone here.
The game's uniqueness can only go so far.
Its abit scary to see that phunqe and i frequent this forum around the same time without actually having told eachother about it O_o
I enjoy PvP'ing alot, and there is no game out there that gives the same kind of pleasure that Neocron did. Having a good evenly matched OP fight and then winning after hours of fighting, sometimes even changing zones... Well, nothing beats that... NOTHING!
Or annoying FF enough around CRP with an APU/PPU combo that they finally bring 6-7 guys, manage to kill me (being the apu) and then park that faction reward vehicle (reveller?) on top of me so i cant be targetted for a rez... It cant be destroyed either so yeah... Time to get pokes... :D
Or having a drunk cyl0n PPU me fighting around 7-8 mirror shades at tyron factory for what seemed an eternity... :p
Good times... No wait, the best times... :(
Neocron was (is) unique, no other MMO even comes close to it. I wish they made a NC3 without the bugs, zoning, synchronizAAAARGHing etc... I'd definatly be back.
Oh and Pluto > *.*
EDIT: Whenever i get really emo and miss neocron, i play some of the background music (Like Fall of the Moai, damn man). Then im instantly reminded of so many things i did or experienced in Neocron that has somehow been memorized and now triggered by the music i heard back then and now hear again... Man, neocron had so much potential, it was such a great game. Makes me sad... :(
EDIT 2: Another thing i loved about neocron was the fact you could explore stuff like tha Gaia mines, that weird ball thingy in MB or Outzone Sector 7 (and get killed by a GM as punishment lol)... Loved that...
I agree with so much said above!
INDEPENDENCE, I love the independence this game offers. You never have to join a clan if you do not want to but, you can still hammer the enemy with your pal’s when they need you. Then go off on some quest to see how tough you are all by yourself and beg a friend online to come out into the middle of no-where to rez you…lol
INTELLIGENCE, you must be willing to learn. I love this stuff you have developed to allow a player to micromanage themselves and then take the same character, re-shape them by redistributing their skill points and become someone new. I still do not know all I want to know. Then there are sites like the old and missed synergy and Techhaven.org that just go to prove how the love of this game can produce some of the best resources to learn from. When synergy left Techhaven got allot of that data and reworked it into the now fantastic site it is today. While I am at it, THANKS ALLOT TECHHAVEN.org and my thanks to the work that webmaster put into Synergy, you taught me many things.
INTERACTION, I have met allot of the coolest people from all parts of the world. Mybest friends were German when I was a noob and they leveled my tank in two days. Minus my personal ongoing “Loozer List” :) ,the bulk of my acquaintances are people I hope to have a beer with some day when and if ever there is a convention but, until then I will assist them all the best I can StoneCold, BunneyBear, Dio Kahn, Yahoo and many more…
INTERVENTION, we are not micromanaged like other games do to their players. The enforcement of discrimination, racist comments and actions are quick and effective most of the time to allow us to play with people that have some respect for others.
INVOLVEMENT, adds fun to the game; assisting noobs get through what in many cases some of us older player had to do ourselves learning how to configure our characters in order to complete tasks that are meant for multi-player teamwork.
INNOVATION, look at all the stuff you give us to play with, apatrments, vehicles, flying aircraft, the weapon assortment, trophy’s, caves, dungeons, poison, fire monsters, radiation, wimpy swamp creatures (lol) and more!
Lastly (are you thinking I have another “I” word? :)
EVENTS and AUCTIONS, I love this stuff. My favorite was when we had those colossal Warbots attack at the CityMerks Outpost. There were so many players there hammering them. Boy I wish I could have hacked some.
I always thought that his game would be great if reworked into the future and used as a starting point to enter the “Black Prophecy” world all leveled up and ready for other big weapons and adventures.
I have been an ongoing member since just after the beta of NC1 (except for 9 months in 05) and I will continue to support this world as well as Black Prophecy when you release that.
Life is Good, Love the Game!
Respectfully,
JG
A.K.A. Marine
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Originally Posted by Marx
Even though I still stand strongly by my feelings mentioned above; I would be a fool not to agree to this comment.
Hopefully what we know and do not know about the drama going on over at NC Game HQ will some day straighten itself out so those earlier mistakes and some going on now can be reworked providing a positive outcome for all.
Then again, with all this effort being put into the release of BP and the release looking like it will happen before I retire; it may be smart to reflect on the past and keep it from nailing us as we approach the future. :rolleyes: