[R#199] T#199-T#200 - Patch Notes

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24-06-15, 14:47
Concerned!

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Originally Posted by Zoltan

I am pretty sure because I did the test on Vedeena ... unwitting. My client ran "accidentally" in the background for more than ~5 hours connected to Vedeena - No syncs, no disconnects, no crashs.

The disconnects in the past on Titan/Vedeena was caused by the netcode, yes... but also by the router / network interface which got replaced recently.

Unfortunately the issue isn't present when simply idling... The issue is most present when in PVP scenario's using very fast movement.. You can replicate the issue very easily playing on an APU monk in a few fights... What is very strange is that when you receive this Dysync issue your characters movement/actions are still live on neocron whilst on the client side everything is unresponsive.. This is still present and if you need proof I'll be happy to spend a bit of time demonstrating..
24-06-15, 15:23
Drachenpaladin

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Originally Posted by Concerned!

Unfortunately the issue isn't present when simply idling... The issue is most present when in PVP scenario's using very fast movement.. You can replicate the issue very easily playing on an APU monk in a few fights... What is very strange is that when you receive this Dysync issue your characters movement/actions are still live on neocron whilst on the client side everything is unresponsive.. This is still present and if you need proof I'll be happy to spend a bit of time demonstrating..

I call trolling attempt, a bad one.

If this issue was really relevant you wouldn't be here discussing this nonsense, you'd have made a recording and just slapped it as proof into the bug report forum to begin with.

Why would anyone with this issue ASK if proof is needed, or waste time copypasting a bitching post - if not for trolling.
24-06-15, 16:14
Concerned!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drachenpaladin

I call trolling attempt, a bad one.

If this issue was really relevant you wouldn't be here discussing this nonsense, you'd have made a recording and just slapped it as proof into the bug report forum to begin with.

Why would anyone with this issue ASK if proof is needed, or waste time copypasting a bitching post - if not for trolling.

Seriously Drachen WTF?

Keep your big nose out because you are clearly clueless...

This is the biggest issue with NC right now... Take a look at server pop's now against all pop's in history of NC. Look at the decline, take note when the decline started and what may have caused it at that time...

Anyway if there is anyone left in the NC Support team that would care to address the biggest issue with the game right now please speak up.... I'm not trolling I don't have a powerful enough computer to record whilst gaming at a suitable FPS level.
I'm happy to spend an hour fighting against one of the support team to demonstrate this as I'm confident it is still not fixed....

NC is a big part of my enjoyment in life outside the realworld and to see it in this state is simply soul destroying... especially giving the amount of work that is being focussed on less urgent issues i.e balancing...

You need to fix the walls of NC before looking at the cracks....

Thanks
24-06-15, 16:18
Drachenpaladin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Concerned!

Seriously Drachen WTF?

Keep your big nose out because you are clearly clueless...

This is the biggest issue with NC right now... Take a look at server pop's now against all pop's in history of NC. Look at the decline, take note when the decline started and what may have caused it at that time...

Anyway if there is anyone left in the NC Support team that would care to address the biggest issue with the game right now please speak up.... I'm not trolling I don't have a powerful enough computer to record whilst gaming at a suitable FPS level.
I'm happy to spend an hour fighting against one of the support team to demonstrate this as I'm confident it is still not fixed....

NC is a big part of my enjoyment in life outside the realworld and to see it in this state is simply soul destroying... especially giving the amount of work that is being focussed on less urgent issues i.e balancing...

You need to fix the walls of NC before looking at the cracks....

Thanks

If its such a big issue, why do you waste so much time instead of working on the Dsync proof?

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24-06-15, 16:25
Bifrost

Ok that's enough of the flames and trolling and get back on topic.

In regard to the de-sync issue, more information on your ISP, location, PC, OS, Router etc is needed. We know you have a de-sync issue we need to see the bigger picture to see why you are having a de-sync issue.
25-06-15, 12:24
Concerned!

Thank you Bitfrost appreciate you recognise this is a big issue, it would be fantastic to get a fix.. I'm nearly at the end of my tether and can fully understand the drops in pop's if players have been having the same problems as experienced my side. Just to note I've not had any De-sync issue's in any other MMORPG or any game in that matter and doubt it's in relation to my hardware. But as you've taken the time to respond I'll take the time to answer your question;

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26-06-15, 14:52
Zoltan

[R# 198] T# 212 - 213 - Patchnotes
Technical Updates & Bug Fixes
- Nag screen which warns you of starting multiple client instances removed
- Weapons: (Cosmetics) Weapons can have their own light sources now
- GameEditor project revived again
- Support for 1024px textures added
- Actor scaling added
- Map compiler improved
- Server / Client netsocket management improved - connections should now working faster - ping should be lower
- Kill stats tracker added - Useful for some PvP statistics - This will be available for the Public Api too
Gameplay Updates
- A first version of weapon adjustments to the new damage system - Yes, the damage is still low
- So called "RangeWeapons" (Rocket-, Fusion-, Raygun-,... cannons) can now have a burst mode
Visual Updates
- New DoT Effects added
- New Rezz Effect added
- New reworked woodbox actor added
- New reworked decals added
There is still a problem with PSI Modules which needs to get fixed - PSI Modules can't have DoT effects like the other weapons at moment - its just hardcoded stuff.

Regarding the weapon balancing - I think we can start this in the next time, major issues where solved. This changes are getting deployed step by step.
26-06-15, 19:41
OLD No.7 BrAnD

Finally good news again! CU on Vedeena.
29-06-15, 07:37
dWintermut3

Some feedback "damage being low" is a drastic understatement. I tested with an APU (capped, using rare weapons), a tank (also capped) and a rifle spy. the APU went 0/3 against 54/54 raptors, couldn't do enough damage even with capped-damage rares. Tank with a Maeldiction, which I have plenty of experience with (that used to be my rare hunter once upon a time), no luck in chaos caves, unable to kill a single fire mob.

So I figured okay lets scale it WAY down, I took a rifle spy out, didn't cap her guns but did very well with them (also took vehicle to get myself around). I thought I would take on mobs of successively lower level until I found something I COULD kill. Using an ionic shotgun and a ronin WoC sniper.

Small spiderbots were no-go, actually killed me.

Launcher cyclops were no-go, I didn't die but couldn't kill them without pop and shoot and spending five minutes each (by that figure I estimate that my Ronin and Ionic Shotgun did less damage than a dex 32 pistol spy).

Went WAY down, was actually killed by snakes, though my health was already low.

By the time I got to fierce spiders (the yellow buggers in the sewers) it took three-four shots from a capped-quality ionic shotgun.

Started again with a newbie, unable to kill 6/6 rats successfully without several deaths, PPU support, or a lot of run and heal.

The game is pretty much untestable because I can't test drop rates, I can't test combat strategies because there's no way to actually kill mobs. I was going to try MC-5, but I couldn't get past the desert mobs to get to it, and I think we all know what the result of that will be.

Player damage needs to be multiplied by a factor of 10-20, and survivability needs an increase of at least fivefold. Spies are unable to take any hits right now, and tanks can withstand a great deal, which tells me that the issue is base resist or base damage is way out of whack.

Resillience testing:

newbie spy dies in three bites from 6/6 rat.

Capped spy in full PA and armor dies in approximately 4 volleys from small spiderbot.

capped APU, in fire-specced armor, three fire stacks from a raptor, down.

Capped tank, generic-spec armor. Stood off against fire mobs a good while with use of only healing nanites, had survival packs on standby didn't need to use them. Got bored after three minutes, went home.
30-06-15, 21:25
SvK151

Was going to hop on and do some testing but from the above post it looks like its fairly clear what needs to be done. Is there anything that can be done to help contribute?
01-07-15, 01:04
Massaker

I got synchronising every time I type "/set kill_self 1" on the test server :P
01-07-15, 20:19
Zoltan

I'll test this later when I am back at home.
01-07-15, 21:50
Zoltan

I don't get a sync but I don't die. Its because of the changes some patches ago, where the server decides if you die or not. kill_self was a part of the client side damage calculations.
07-07-15, 01:51
bmurph101

Any chance for a WoC melee weapon of some sorts? Like a 2h Devil's Grace or something?
15-07-15, 20:32
Jafoole

Exciting times!
15-07-15, 21:10
Zoltan

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmurph101

Any chance for a WoC melee weapon of some sorts? Like a 2h Devil's Grace or something?

-> The Hurler King's Brassnuckle!
16-07-15, 08:27
bmurph101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoltan

-> The Hurler King's Brassnuckle!

Pls god no
16-07-15, 16:44
Zoltan

[R# 198] T# 214 / 215 - Patchnotes
Technical Updates & Bug Fixes
- A lot of tool improvements regarding the Map compiler, Texture Packer and World Editor
- The engine is now able to handle high quality textures - 24BIT / 32BIT instead of a max. of 16BIT 565. Worldtextures are not downscaled to 8BIT paletted textures anymore, there also 24BIT and far more than x256 (~4k support)
- The limitation of lightmaps are also removed - they should have a more higher resolution which results in smoother lighting
- GM's are now able to use the player version of placing things in a room
Gameplay Updates
- A lot of implant and armor changes - Bragi will go more into detail
Know issues
- Some alphas are not working anymore (e.g. tree in the wastelands) they apear just black - We're on it
There is still a problem with PSI Modules which needs to get fixed - PSI Modules can't have DoT effects like the other weapons at moment - its just hardcoded stuff.

Regarding the weapon balancing - I think we can start this in the next time, major issues where solved. This changes are getting deployed step by step.

See what the Neocron Engine is now able to render:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI30f1cWcAA38jw.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJaIFLQWUAAlwK_.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIv3VRaWoAAua2a.png:large
16-07-15, 19:07
Hell-demon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoltan

See what the Neocron Engine is now able to render:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI30f1cWcAA38jw.png

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20111219052437

THE BOX!!!! THE BOX!!!!
16-07-15, 20:34
bmurph101

Keep up the good work brotato. New rendering looks great.
16-07-15, 21:04
LeoPump

New Rendering looks amazing! Keep it up! ;)
17-07-15, 00:35
Bragi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoltan

A lot of implant and armor changes - Bragi will go more into detail

The main thrust of (my part of) this patch is in the armour area.

The previous system tied armour values to TL, rather than setting the values to be appropriate to who can use a given armour piece.
This created a number of problems:

Some armour types were partly available to some classes; Eg. the top level battle helmet is Str 41, so unmodified Spies could not use it.

Differences between levels were minimal; the bottom level duranium helmet/necklace gave +96 energy to the head, while the top level gave +116. A minimal difference in overall damage reduction.

The new armour system targets each armour piece at who will use it. There are three types of general user: regular, negative-modified and positive-modified.
Some people many have noticed that some implants reduce Str or some similar stat while having higher bonuses. With the current armour system, this negative doesn't mean a whole lot (like many of the experimental implants), but a PE or Spy for example now would find themselves unable to use a certain armour type - the lower armour offsetting the higher than normal bonuses on the implant. These would be 'negative-modified'.
A player using an implant to increase strength for example would be able to use a higher level of armour, but loose out on a resist implant or offence implant. These would be 'positive-modified'.

If you take a look at the requirements of the armours now, they will fall into distinct ranges, Eg.: 51-55 - negative PEs, 56-60 - regular PEs and 61-65 - positive PEs.

We next come to how much armour each class/sub-class should have.
Currently the difference in total armour values may seem a lot, but as with the above example of duranium, the overall damage reduction difference as a result of the total armour values is not distinct enough.

As a provisional starting point, I've roughly gone for total average armour unmodified values for each location of 40 for Spies/Monks, 60 for PEs and 80 for Tanks.
As there are six armour types, this gives us 240, 360 and 480 total armour in each location. The pure armour PAs give about half of this and there are two armour pieces per location, so we end up with a total armour amount of 60, 90 and 120 per piece.
Eg. The Heavy Kevlar Helmet gives +10 Force/Piercing and +20 Fire/Poison, for a total of 60.

There is of course the issue of the total defence abilities of a class compared to another. If a lot of areas are fixed, tanks - with their higher hp, resists, armour and 100 main-stat cap appear to come out on top. And they do. Fixing the currently 'useless' Spy and PE Psi abilities will come along later. Monks of course intended to have the highest dmg output.

Another issue is that most primary dmg, aside from a few given weapons, is energy and piercing based. Many of the armours will have little apparent value when those two damage types have priority (I recently talked to someone with 146 energy resist - this is not a result of a balanced or varied damage/armour system).
A follow-up patch will address this to some extent (just ironing out some issues at the moment).

Some minor points:

Not everything can or needs to be viable for PvP. Some of the options are more 'elemental' in that they provide protection more focused in one are, but the total armour bonus is equal or lower than a standard item.
One example is the Int-based belts and mob-drop armour. Previously they are simply better than the Str ones, but now they follow an overall equal, but different proportion of armour values. Eg. the Inq 2 vest offers +20 force/piercing and +50 fire, but the titanium vest is +10/+70.

The underwear system has also been revamped.
They have been split into two types; pre-PA items (PA slot items worn before PA is available) and high-end PvE items.
The former (Carbonsilk, Glasfibre, FeSilicon & Argentiferous) generally focus on a type of damage, depending on what mob your are fighting against while you level. The latter are higher level items that provide above PA level values is a single area, but have large penalties.

I am also trying to implement full titan/viper armour sets, but am having to deal with some issues regarding the whole mob-drop system.

Edit:
P.S. Who remembers the Cypher helmet? ;)
17-07-15, 09:31
Zoltan

[R# 198] T# 216 - Patchnotes
Gameplay Updates
- set kill_self deactivated (Yes I am aware of the mighty drugflash)
- Drone movement improved but needs testing
Visual Updates
- New sky textures added for "dawn"
Know issues
- Some alphas are not working anymore (e.g. tree in the wastelands) they apear just black - We're on it
There is still a problem with PSI Modules which needs to get fixed - PSI Modules can't have DoT effects like the other weapons at moment - its just hardcoded stuff.

Regarding the weapon balancing - I think we can start this in the next time, major issues where solved. This changes are getting deployed step by step.
17-07-15, 10:12
Dasore

damn what a wall of text, but good to read what you want to get the armor system to.

keep up the work and see you on the testserver
17-07-15, 12:06
SteveJinx

Haha wow that rending looks good! Is that what it will look like when i log in now or?
17-07-15, 15:51
Mortis

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there is a problem with the xp gain...

and i find the starter drones to weak, it should be muchier easier to play at the very beginning

ps: starting hitting something, jumping around, made con/dex/str/int gain lvls
guess i have to use psi spells to gain the get the lvls...

wasn't there a new sync screen?
21-07-15, 00:01
Trivaldi

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Originally Posted by SteveJinx

Haha wow that rending looks good! Is that what it will look like when i log in now or?

Not yet ;)
24-07-15, 15:55
Ivan Eres

Why can't I see the new rendering picture?

Can you post it again? I'd really like to see it!
24-07-15, 16:20
Trivaldi

Still working for me, are you connected via a work network or something similar which may be blocking the image host?
26-07-15, 12:28
Omnituens

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bragi

Who remembers the Cypher helmet? ;)

That takes me back :D

Seems like a lot of good updates.

What are your thoughts about the stats screen giving out 1 value for each resist, with a tool tip stating the armour/skill split? At the moment it's a bit confusing having the concept of 2 different resist stats each with a different scalar of effectiveness.

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