"Stop posting.
Start doing. "
funny to hear that from william after his last thread^^
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"Stop posting.
Start doing. "
funny to hear that from william after his last thread^^
No need for flames boys. Haven't flamed any of you. Just said stuff you disagree with or don't like. Not much else to say.
Never said anything about send them over rofl.
You should probably pay more attention to what I do write if you're gonna reply instead of what you think I write. That's all of you. You too walker.
Nobody else much gave a shit so I thought someone ought to. Lol
You' re the one who derailed this thread with a huge pile of flame, bullshit and assumptions. I just had to draw a line here because apparently you know no boundaries.
It's not like your writings are very profound, so we don't need to spend more time reading it, but instead you should spend more time thinking about it, before you post.
That said, at least you're a prime example of how not to behave, if you want to contribute to an environment where unexpirienced players get into the game easier.
Lol so I guess you didn't like my idea then?
Just greenlight thinking here and I know there's 1 million problems with this thought but I wanted to get it out there while I'm driving.
I wonder if there's a way to make OP levels. Say have a few OP near the city only be available to be owned by smaller clans say less than 20 members or whatever is considered small.
Just a passing thought.
What about alts then? Most people have at (the very) least a fighter and a PPU in their clan.Quote:
Originally Posted by hudsonbeck
Personally I have two spies and two tanks in 17th. Thats four characters there already.
Doing it on a account basis wont really help it either (not in my case anyways), since those four characters are on three different accounts.
Not a bad idea though. Just doubt that it'll work.
@Will: Dude you pretty much every single thing you have said here, has been flaming of 17th.. Yeah you probably havent flamed one specific person, but you have flamed a whole clan and therefore their members.
No mate. Not in the slightest. Not trolled flamed or otherwise said a single thing that is derogatory. Just said stuff you gents don't want to hear. That's all. I can't help it that 5 of you need to reply to one thing that clearly annoyed you.
In all fairness no one else really came up with much of a solution so I think in all honesty I did the thread some good. :) you need to be able to see a different side sometimes. It makes the end decision so much better.
It's just green light thinking... Don't worry about the details. In all honesty we don't have the ability to change code/ force things to happen a certain way but we do have the ability to make an impact. Who cares if we all have alts. I know most like to shoot them selves in the foot or cut off their nose to spite their face but this thread still has potential even after all the negative I can't , I won't, you don't, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropout
My thought... Make a few ops near the city " low level clan only OPs" don't worry about the details.
What's everyone else's green light idea? Nothing, even time travel, is off the table.
Hudson, it ain´t too horrible an idea. The idea of different entry lvls to PvP would be nice. BUT, there are no big clans in this game at the moment. In addition, this is more about what the community can do than the developer/coder side of things.
In addition, they are gonna fix what is broken before they start adding more complex stuff.
However, as to what this thread is about, clans taking in people who want to do end lvl stuff, it has to improve. I have often seen clans putting out recruiting messages, asking for experienced players, or good PvPers. Which isn´t the reality we are facing anymore with low server numbers. Instead clans need to take in players who are out of practice, who have started recently etc, and give them access to PvP, in op fights, in groups in PP, in neofrag. And here was the main problem when talking to William: he didn´t get (or read, or understand, or didn´t want to understand) that this is something that 17th was doing up until we stopped recruiting months ago. And when I said that people need to start doing this, his comeback was "You do it."
We already did it, and to show for our efforts we have an op-fighting clan. (Like me and R3yka and others have tried to tell Will, but he won´t listen)
Now we want others to try the same, to see if they also can create a clan out of the material that is out there. I am sure quite a few people who are playing now are able to do it with a bit of effort. There are about 10% on at peak each day, which means 100 players, which I would guess puts us at around 300-400 players total, maybe, including the casuals. There must be a decent % of these people wanting to fight. Who just want in on the action, but no clans are taking them in.
What you need to do this is basically, a small nucleus, 2-3-4 people who play consistently at the same time of day most days. There are a quite a few regulars in this game. These guys don´t even have to be PvPers all of them, they are just the nucleus of the clan, who organize a bit of practice and some stuff to do together to create some unity. I´ve been in fighting clans where the founder/founders weren´t PvPers or rarely did it, and they worked just fine. They can be farmers or tradeskillers, since having people who can contribute stuff like that to the clan and help others is great for togetherness. The guy who runs the rarepool for instance is often a popular guy on teamspeak and in-game =)
And then you build the casuals, occasional dropins and 2-3 days a week guys around that. And after a little practicing you start picking fights in PP, or give it a go at an OP. I´m certain 17th at least would welcome a mock fight or ten if asked. Let you hack an op so you could practice defending it against us (learning how to use the UG, stopping hacks etc.)
And after doing this for a while you will start to see people gravitating towards the clan, unexperienced and possibly vets, asking to join.
That is how I think it should be done anyways. William, I don´t need your feedback on this, just letting you know.
Lol still sore?
Problem with your solution is all the time people do that you're gonna have to account for boredom/quitters and people who want to take a break for real life. If you don't like an alternate opinion you should not be on the forum.
We have all done this recruitment thing to death. The truth is the noobs don't stick around for a bunch of reasons. My solution gives you instant results :) like you wanted.
It amazes me that you guys refuse to accept it. I don't see why YOU can't do this if it is so easy. You've been successful before, clearly you could do so again. Instead of pounding this same old dead horse which everyone knows is just not gonna happen. If it was we wouldn't be in this predicament.
:)
You seem to have misunderstood why I don´t feel the need to hear what you have to say. You just keep saying the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
"Split up", "you do it", "you fix it", "I´m bored so I can´t do it", "I don´t want to make a effort without you doing it first"
I´ve heard it, thank you. I´m not sore, I´m just bored with what you have to say, as it is contributing nothing.
We have repeatedly told you what you suggest is not an option. We don´t want to split our clan that we worked hard for. So stop suggesting it.
Now, of course there will be setbacks, and not everything will be smooth. I never said it would not take effort. But hey, maybe there is someone playing the game who doesn´t give up as quickly as you. Back in january and given up already, that doesn´t say much for your stamina does it?
The point is, it isn´t our job to organize the opposition against us. There should be other people and clans who want to participate in fights, and there is. But they are currently not getting organized.
I forgot to answer the last one: "If it was we..." You were never in this position, you failed at your attempt. Laughable argument. "If i had a million dollars I would give to charity, but I´m poor and too lazy to earn that million, so I can´t give anything. (It was too boring to work for that million)
Please William, you are not contributing, just go away with your single, often repeated suggestion. This is just trolling, being uncooperative, being a douchebag, call it whatever you want. It isn´t the solution, only you think it is.
Honestly, right now you're just trolling, noone's that dumb/ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
If I was trolling I'd have been edited. The fact still remains that from post number one you boys have maintained this attitude that everyone else should do your bidding. I have merely said that they won't just because you say so. This is irrespective of what I or anyone else here has done or said or achieved.
Simply put you are not going to get your wish by simply making a thread about it. It is YOU guys who want this but just demanding it here will not be enough.
I don't see how you fail to see this. It's YOUR thread guys. I don't need to resort to petty flames about people's stamina or any of the other trolling shit you're flinging. If you want to fix this you're gonna have to do it yourselves chaps.
No one here is going to read this thread and say hey that's a good idea. All this posting you're doing is making you all look very silly. You're angry because someone disagreed with you.
Take all the jibes away and that's all this thread is. There just isn't the active forum population or game population to provide you with what you want.
You're gonna have to really put your collective heads together and come up with a better solution than this thread. :)
If you took a minute you'd see I am trying to help you. Not troll you. You want the fun back. I don't see too much constructive discussion other than my suggestion tbh. But hey what do I know :)
I call bullshit on that. First post says this:
You see, it wasn´t just the TS, it was just an example. He clearly says with whatever. But you just wanted to be negative, so you didn´t take that part of it into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueRobot
I made a post saying we would help too, it´s you who made it into a "you should do it" thing. With you telling us we should split, we should train people up etc.
I have made offers to help people in other threads too, but I know other threads don´t count for you, because that would mean having to be consistent.
Anyway, we´ve asked you nicely to stop posting here, since we don´t feel you are contributing. So why not just do that?
By the way, I did consider your option, and then decided against it. And argued against it, saying the partitions from splitting the clan would end up being to small. As did Ry3ka and Blue Robot. You never answered that. Did you ever consider our options? Asking for help training, help organizing, help with whatever as the original post says? I made a suggestion of how to do it, how we did it. And we managed to get a fighting clan out of it. You were quite negative to that suggestion (and let us remember you failed at doing this)
It´s you who doesn´t seem to understand that this thread was meant as a way to reach out to others who wanted into the op-fighting scene. An offer of help if people wanted it. But instead you wanted to turn it into a negative thing.
It is true I find you a fool and an annoying one at that. But I do pity you your attitude, because I have fun with this game. I fight and lose, and fight and win, and am able to enjoy both. I enjoy helping people out, training with them. I like 1 on 1 fights in neofrag, the rumble in PP, and the OP-fights, and I want to create more of it. By making positive suggestion, and positive actions. Your suggestions is a negative one: "split up", "purge the city mercs", "you create your own opposition".
Why not contribute with positive ways to create more clans? Instead of trying to break up the ones that do function?
Right, that is it for me on trying to show you why you are wrong. At least for this session. I´ll leave you with words of wisdom from my country, since you quoted Shakespeare. These are the words of Odin Allfather, The sayings of the High One.
26.
Ósnotr maðr
þykkisk allt vita,
ef hann á sér í vá veru;
hittki hann veit,
hvat hann skal við kveða,
ef hans freista firar.
27.
Ósnotr maðr,
er með aldir kemr,
þat er bazt, at hann þegi;
engi þat veit,
at hann ekki kann,
nema hann mæli til margt;
veit-a maðr,
hinn er vettki veit,
þótt hann mæli til margt.
26.
The unwise man thinks all to know,
while he sits in a sheltered nook;
but he knows not one thing, what he shall answer,
if men shall put him to proof.
27.
For the unwise man 'tis best to be mute
when he come amid the crowd,
for none is aware of his lack of wit
if he wastes not too many words;
for he who lacks wit shall never learn
though his words flow ne'er so fast.
Failed at doing it.... Please stop with these ridiculous flames. They aren't getting anyone anywhere. You don't need to remind me what I said. I can read it for myself or remember it like it was this morning... Oh yes, it was! :)
How about putting the e-penises away for a moment and actually consider how you can encourage more PvP and let's discuss that?
What about an nf tournament? Group games? A league or ladder similar to clanbase in the days of old.
Organise a headline, a couple of referees to remain impartial and a set of rules. Either in nf or at an Op of one teams choosing.
Set some rules - x number of players, no ppus, no stealth for example only. Encourage people to try PvP that way. Get the noobs involved. If any show some promise do the pr thing on them. Money to help set clan up, advice tips and demonstrations on movement and fighting. Encouragement to practice etc.
How would this sound? It's easily done I am sure and would not take long to orchestrate. Minimal administrative function would be needed but someone would need to be responsible for scoring and the only issue I could see would be a visual display of the rankings. However perhaps it could get sponsored by techhaven.org or something.
I dunno I am just brainstorming from experience of playing unreal tournament competitively many years ago.
Hell you could even turn it into a spectator event and charge admission to watch. Make nc a sport. Who woulda thought that huh chaps?
Don't worry, I'll let you use my ideas. :)