[R#179/#180] Patch Discussion

Just logged on to have a quick look now, and on first impressions I'd say this patch is a fail. It is basically a fix for PvP players and althought I am all for fixing position related issues this has just brought a whole lot of problems with PvE which is already riddled with problems. In my opinion somthing needs to be done about resists and mob damage before allowing mobs to hit everytime. Im fully aware that the people working on this do so in their own time, but this does not mean they should focus in the wrong areas, there are more LE'd people than what are in OP wars so sort the PvE out before PvP

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Originally Posted by Unrestrained

Just logged on to have a quick look now, and on first impressions I'd say this patch is a fail. It is basically a fix for PvP players and althought I am all for fixing position related issues this has just brought a whole lot of problems with PvE which is already riddled with problems. In my opinion somthing needs to be done about resists and mob damage before allowing mobs to hit everytime. Im fully aware that the people working on this do so in their own time, but this does not mean they should focus in the wrong areas, there are more LE'd people than what are in OP wars so sort the PvE out before PvP

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If you can name specific issues as to how the interpolation tweaks have had a negative impact on PvE game mechanics, please create a dedicated bug report.
There was no intention to alter PvE balance and the chances for a mob to hit you should remain unchanged (unless you refer to drones, that is)

If you're gonna rollback the server, do it already. I'm not even playing the game until it happens because I only just found out (after almost capping my int on my spy) that it's inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Mokoi

If you can name specific issues as to how the interpolation tweaks have had a negative impact on PvE game mechanics, please create a dedicated bug report.
There was no intention to alter PvE balance and the chances for a mob to hit you should remain unchanged (unless you refer to drones, that is)

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It is not a bug in anyway, the mob attacks me and I get hit, which is the way it should be. But as we all know you must hide on ledges and around corners because the mob damage is basically rediculous. Now even doing that does not allow me to avoid damage and therefore I can not level even though I have medikits, injectors, correct armour and resists. So for those who are capped, good for them. For people trying to level, good luck without know a PPU to follow you at all times.

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I appreciate the work you guys are doing - but keeping us updated on whats going on would be lovely :)

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Originally Posted by gostly

If you're gonna rollback the server, do it already. I'm not even playing the game until it happens because I only just found out (after almost capping my int on my spy) that it's inevitable.

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At the moment we need as many people as possible online so we can fix any of the issue currently present. The less people play, the less people report, the longer we will be in this situation. As such I urge you to reconsider.

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Originally Posted by DigestiveBiscui

I appreciate the work you guys are doing - but keeping us updated on whats going on would be lovely :)

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We're currently assessing all the reports made in the bug report forum along with the information we can gain from the server itself to identify lasting issues. Once identified we are fixing the issues one at a time as quickly as we can. At this time the only updates we can provide is encouragement to keep playing, keep trying different mechanics and keep reporting the issues you discover to help us get back to normal.

While the patch may not seem substantial in the number of bullet points in the patch notes, some very heavy lifting has been done behind the scenes to improve the stability and security of your Neocron experience. While we do of course test these changes extensively before we bring them to retail, the volume of players on Titan and the significant number of combinations of their actions is not something we can emulate in our test environments. So please, keep testing.

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Originally Posted by Trivaldi

At the moment we need as many people as possible online so we can fix any of the issue currently present. The less people play, the less people report, the longer we will be in this situation. As such I urge you to reconsider.

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While I understand your point of view and appreciate what you guys are doing, you can't *realistically* expect everyone to keep playing as if everything is ok when they know a rollback to yesterday is coming. My suggestion would be rollback to before the patch(as you were going to do) so that we can play. In the meantime, fix what has been reported so far with #179 and then re-implement the patch.

The progress I made in-game after #179 that will be rolled back, I'm not too happy about it. But if it's what has to be done then so be it. I'm not gonna keep playing though knowing that any progress I make I will have to do all over again when the rollback happens. Do a double xp week if people log into the test server to test this stuff if you wanna test things, but I'm trying to make progress with my characters right now.

i HATE this new run speed. Spies are super fast while tanks are still hulking around :(

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While I understand your point of view and appreciate what you guys are doing, you can't *realistically* expect everyone to keep playing as if everything is ok when they know a rollback to yesterday is coming. My suggestion would be rollback to before the patch(as you were going to do) so that we can play. In the meantime, fix what has been reported so far with #179 and then re-implement the patch.

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I understand that all of you want to go on with their char life but you have to honor the status of the server and its circumstances. It's a fine thing that some developers still work on things like the net code and even implement some deeper changes, so a public bug reporting period is the minimum they can expect from us to test their work. As they said, they can't simulate a testing environment with the amount of players we have on Titan, so keep that in mind.

A rollback at the current time wouldn't make sense, I think it would make things even more difficult because re-implementing the changes is more hard work than now. Go with the situation, see it as a chance: Improve the game, experiment with your chars. If a rollback is really coming, you may test things you wouldn't normally do (testings resists, weapons, and so on).

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Originally Posted by Reactivator

I understand that all of you want to go on with their char life but you have to honor the status of the server and its circumstances. It's a fine thing that some developers still work on things like the net code and even implement some deeper changes, so a public bug reporting period is the minimum they can expect from us to test their work. As they said, they can't simulate a testing environment with the amount of players we have on Titan, so keep that in mind.

A rollback at the current time wouldn't make sense, I think it would make things even more difficult because re-implementing the changes is more hard work than now. Go with the situation, see it as a chance: Improve the game, experiment with your chars. If a rollback is really coming, you may test things you wouldn't normally do (testings resists, weapons, and so on).

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A lot of us aren't capped so testing things like that is pointless. Trying to get capped is what some of us wanna do and I know I can't be the only one staying offline until this rollback happens. I hate rollbacks but it's something that has always been a part of NC's development. Trust me when I say that what I was doing (researching for int xp) will not help test anything. Last night though I did the quad quest for a different char and drove around grabbing a ton of gen reps, that will now be reset. SO, I'll just stay offline, I think the important things have been reported by now (items getting bugged out mainly).

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Originally Posted by gostly

Lots of QQ

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Don't be miffed. If you wanna keep the patch and have the game move forward hop onto the server and do all the crazy things you normally wouldn't now.

I for my part will lom my tank completely to agl and atl to see how fast i can really go and if this talk about hyperspace speed is true :D

A bullet will be nothing compared to me ! :P

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Originally Posted by Ivan Eres

Don't be miffed. If you wanna keep the patch and have the game move forward hop onto the server and do all the crazy things you normally wouldn't now.

I for my part will lom my tank completely to agl and atl to see how fast i can really go and if this talk about hyperspace speed is true :D

A bullet will be nothing compared to me ! :P

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lol "Lots of QQ"...yea I guess so but if you look at the population, it's dropping more and more with people having nothing to do and knowing the rollback is coming. That's all I'm saying.

Finally getting back into this game after a long break, and I'm trying to level a monk. Getting dc'd every 2mins. :(

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Originally Posted by gostly

lol "Lots of QQ"...yea I guess so but if you look at the population, it's dropping more and more with people having nothing to do and knowing the rollback is coming. That's all I'm saying.

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TBH I first thought the same, let's sit and wait it out. But in the end nobody wins if we do this. We must also help to have things move forward.