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Tis thread is about monks, keep it on monk topics.
In the future i think we will see less and less hybrids as they will rework the implant.
My bet is that making a hybrid will be almost completely gimp.
APU were made to play with a PPU counterpart, period.
The APU needs to be reworked as if he always had PPU buffs.
Monks do NOT need better armor.
implementing resist psi would be retarded :mad:
How can you say we'll be seeing less hybrids because they're reworking the implant system? You don't know what they're changing it to..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kame
They don't want to completely gimp hybrids, why would they? They are a class just like anyone else..
I don't know whether APUs were made to be played with PPUs.
Hell no, they DO NOT need to be balanced around the fact that they will always have PPU buffs. What will that do to solo APUs?
And no-one said about improving their armor.
I'm tired.
A ppu would need to be able to defend itself against most things upto a point and still help in defence of others maybe this where group spells should only be allowed and more into affect but max in group = 3? perhaps teamed? and/or same faction
Just a short idea before sleep.............
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dunno where u get this from tbh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kame
no class is meant to be played with another class 24/7. NO CLASS!
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now to balance.
i agree with onero that apus are fine as is (always has been).
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ppus, i appreciate the working on heals; but i dont think its hte way i'd do it...
(ignoring the tl10 stuff cuz it got missed in the patch) currently we nerfed the heals to 50% while fixing the locational heal "bug".
this resulted in drastically increased difficulty on classes that had to rely on a heal in pvp or pve. people were crying that ppus can no longer even heal themselves properly with a holy heal; and that holy group heal actually heals for twice that of a normal holy heal...
what i propose in the heal issue is the following: reduce the heals only by 25% relative to pre154/155 on self cast, then add a 25% penalty on foreign cast heals for hte new value; so in effect the heal cast on the foreign target will be 37.5% lower than pre154/155. this in effect makes the heals less effective in the same fashion as foreign cast s/d and also makes heals themselves less powerful with regards to the other heal using combat classes; while still making a ppu have enough staying power.
granted the current heal nerf is still good in that its bring the ppu more in line with "priests" in other mmos; where they are relatively much less "solid" than the ppus in NC.
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hybs still need reworking. (altho with the heals change im not sure tbh... will have to take it one step at a time)
one thing i can see which will make things better all around is the idea proposed by a previous poster that total effectiveness of s/d would be effected by con lvl. that is more con u have, the more s/d will give u.
something like the following:
[(current con lvl)/100]*5 + (base value for shelt or def)*(foreign cast penalty if there is one; else value 1) = (total bonus resistance protection given)
then normal/blessed/holy shelt and defs would have base values of 5%/10%/15% (which are base values at capped spells; will scale according to dmg% on the spell in question).
this way in helping other people lvl, someone with just 1 con lvl will still get the advantage of being buffed just not so much as someone with higher con (i.e. they get the base value of the buff).
so for shelter here are some examples:
ex. for a apu hyb with capped con normal shelt: (45/100)*5 + 5 = 7.25% bonus
ex. for a PE with capped con normal shelt: (65/100)*5 + 5 = 8.25% bonus
ex. for a blessed hyb capped con blessed shelt: (45/100)*5 + 10 = 12.25% bonus
ex. for a apu with capped con foreign cast holy shelt: (45/100)*5 + 15*0.75 = 13.5% bonus
ex. for a tank with capped con foreign cast holy shelt: (100/100)*5 + 15*0.75 = 16.25% bonus
ex. for a ppu capped con holy shelt: (45/100)*5 + 15 = 17.25% bonus
NOTE: currently on self cast shelter the buff increase is around 10%/15%/20% for normal blessed and holy.
personally i think the above would make sense in that a tank would still be the designated wartime "meatshield" due to the much higher benefit they would receive from a ppu's buffs; apus would be a second choice; as in a tradeoff between defense for dmg. then apu hybs (which i think most people have a bone with these days) would have the least bonus from a shelt or def; with PEs the next on the list and blessed hybs still being slightly tougher altho not as tough as they are now.
so yeah thats my ideal on balance.
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add: another thing that may help the hybrid/PE problem: make dmg boost a tl130 ppu spell. that way PEs wont have it, and neither will hybrids. the only reason people bitch about PEs is for the combined dmg of xbow + dmg boost; and hybrids more or less have the same issue if dmg output is concerned. So remove dmg boost from the range of plausible spells for them to use, and you're set! (and make all the current dmg boost spells into slotted milky rens!)
What i would like to see for my class
Solo Apu:
More Weps, i dont want everyone using the same wep
No Armor.
To combat the fact the pure apu wont have any armor, maybe have some
buffs which have an apu req or dif lvling of vampire mods which drain HP from
the target into the APU.....this would need alot of testing to make sure it
wasnt insane.
About the Reticles idea, yea would be ok
I guess, all i want after evo 2.2 is to be able to fight without having to have
a ppu implanted into my ass.
SiL ..:..
Removing armour definitly wont help that. Whats the point of making monks armour worse and just adding a diffrent form of protection? Its just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanityislost
I dont want a vampire spell becouse then apu's are just back where they started. Holy heal + vampire is just another reason why apu+ppu would be better then with any other class.
And besides im a bit skeptical that you want to solo yet your setup on the database depends on a ppu with haz3 for the rest of his xray.
Nope, that setup is for solo....got it built for speed.
Which is why i pop zee drugs
SiL ..:..
After SiL's post, I did a mistake, so I pull from my NO apu idea. In fact we can leave pure apus as the choice of the player that wants to play him. I completely forgot that there's a small portion of players like SiL, who play apu as intended, without the ppu buttplug. But I firmly believe that ppus need to go. Or there's no other way to counter the inballancies they cary.Quote:
Originally Posted by jini
It's what we basically choose, what we want:
1. To base the game in ballance and equallity for all, so that skill will prevail, or
2. Base the game in chance or ppus and have what we have now. It's not hard to understand. He who has the most ppus win. If you all want this to continue then go ahead. I dont see what will be the role of the ppu if you start nerfing heals, buffs, shelters and etc.
So, yes, we can have pure apus that can be killed easily, but can also kill easily, and hybrids that have pe like resists. But we must not allow ANY form of inballance by allowing hybrids for instance to buff pure apus or we will have pe like ppus again
I use to think ppu's were over powered, till I got to play a ppu. Then things had a different perspective. PPU's weren't over powered, and in 50 % of the situations were under powered.
In a team set up a ppu needs to beable to ppu his team, and keep himself alive also. Crippling the ppu wasnt a solution to a problem. PPU's are a symptom, not a problem. They do what they are suppose to do, they are a support class, and inso they support a team or partner. The problem is the partner. The PPU's only deffensive mechanism is his soul cluster, its the only tool he has that can attack, if the ppu needs a line of defense to protect them selves. Yet, what I think is funny, is every one wants to see the ppu weakened, so they can kill him, and an hour later in some tunnel or cave, they want that same ppu to keep them alive, and wonders why the ppu wont, and cant, eventualy, if things keep going as they are against the ppu.
Omg fear the healing ppu, he can kill you with his heal and buffs, lol. But when you are lvling you sure dont whine or cry when one does, lol. And rant and rave and cuss when a ppu wont, because he still remembers you killing him not to long ago, lol.
Like I said, a ppu is not a problem to be solved, he is a symptom of a problem. The problem being who he supports by ppuing that individual, or group of players. An old saying applies here, its not the smoking gun that killed a man, it was the one who pulled it's trigger that did.
Madares, I agree with your post all the way. Very nice
and SiL I agree in theoreticly with what you are saying, but I don't think you understand just how crippiling no armor would be, no ammount of buffs would make up for that.
I say leave apus as is exept perhaps give them life drain capibility equil the power of a tl 3 heal, the downside is this life drain would do less dmg then hl (say 50% less).
i dont like the the first one. as many ppl told before they carry a lot of expensive equipment and can not that easy money on their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thanatos
PSI aim is ok. dor apu spells even more them on ppu
the idea of ie. 2 buffs a time isnt bad but i think its better to have it that one spell can only runn on target. so a heal/boost can be cast on the ppu or on the *insert class here*. that makes the ppu set prioritys. its good to stay alive and use resist and shelter on teir own and cast heal on ppl that use their on shelter and resistbooster.
that would fit to the changes planned on the tank to resist damage on their own a lot better.
last i would think a use time for PSI boosters would be OK
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Originally Posted by gypsiMoth
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Originally Posted by calim
This is missleading.
There are or were 2 issues with ppus imo.
Issue 1) In all situations they gave too much of an advantadge to other people in terms of survivibility. This has been fixed with the heal changed
Issue 2) They don't buff other classes the same amount, this led to the apu/ppu team issue. This has not yet been fixed.
In otherwords, the issue now is not ppus, its not apus, its the way ppus affect other players in an unequil way. The solution is to change the way forign buffs are calculated. Apus should still be a glass cannon comparitivly with ppu buffs.
Posting my opinions of a balanced/storyline fitting mainskill setup for each class.
Monk
Int 100 -> 100
Dex 35 -> 50
Str 20 -> 25
Con 45 -> 25
psi 100 -> 100
The Monk with this would have a greatly reduced con, they would gain slightly more strength because 20 is almost too low. This allows more runspeed for a glasscannon to live for more than 2 seconds and it also allows the -possibility- for a couple antigama bones.
of course not all at the same time, but I'm not going to waste time on possible setups, these would just be the most commonly used.