Neocron brainport: Your ideas, suggestions and wishes

I'm always thinking the wastes aren't used enough... so my suggestions try to counter that - and are a mishmash of previous ideas, so sorry in advance if I swiped them from you :angel:

I've tried to stick to things that could probably be achieved without a huge investment of time or effort (though this is just a guess, could be way off the mark)

Move the MC5 commander spawn-point to just outside the door of the MC5 Command Unit. That should be a nice easy switch that will liven up MC5 farming :D

(stolen idea!) Pave all ops!

(stolen idea!) UG exit is now a trapdoor

(stolen idea!) Wasteland apps

More use of height in the wastes; cities with genuine benefits and ops on huge plateaus only accessible through a thin, winding path or with flying vehicles. Huge, sector spanning planes way high up should make things more interesting.

(More or less public domain idea :P) Island-based ops!

High-level dungeons 'leak' mobs into the surrounding area

Insane spawn of high level mobs in DoY

Mobs can be any rank - say between +20% and -20% of their central rank as standard; aggies could be from rank 26 - 39. Their size would be dependent on their rank. Allow for creation of all mobs up to rank /127 for events

Dissie fires one blob per shot :D

MC replaces all instances of END as a modifier for melee weps, lore modifier is removed in favour of MC taking up more of the weight

Noob area in the wastes, not that easy to get to, which is an integral part of the noob experience by way of a mission taking you there. This holds sellers selling 1-2 slotted items up to TL25 (but no PPU stuff), and a collection of dungeons with insane spawn for noobs, encouraging teamplay.

Substantially decrease the "drop that weapon" time, and remove all guards from the centres of most sectors.

WoC5 (Four? Three?) people become amused at the petty faction struggles, and can become no faction. They could fight anybody with impunity, but also be ganked by anybody. Their SL and Symps would always be 0 (or 10, or 20, whatever, reasonably low) unless they opted to join a faction again.

Outpost bonuses feed back to their faction HQs, non-stacking.

go steven go ... we are still awaiting nskill v2 :-P

hi there,

what about nc mall including those "farm events" would be nice...

3k metal plates ftw :D

Really simple idea for improved OP wars...

Give every OP only ONE entrance.

The only way into the OP would therefore be, through the main entrance, or via flying vehicle.

for what ? who cares if there is one or 10 entrence
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https://forum.neocron-game.com/showthread.php?t=139253

If I didn't mention it before.

How about put a filter on the missions section of the citycom? like "[ ]Show kill missions" "[x] Show tradeskill missions" It's very annoying to have to page through 40 cycles of missions to find the one that you want to do.

//Crazy Idea for NC 3!!!!!!!

Make the Bullets, ammo Much more expensive about 1k for LT and 10k for HT each Clip. The game is set right after apocalypse and guns and ammo should be something that only warlords and cops can wear.

make it Mad max style. Only 4 weaponskills Melee, bombs, Pistols and rifles.

Melee should be TL 1 like fist over TL30 Rambo Knife TL 80 Samurai Sword to TL115 Lasersword

Bombs are what they are First are TL 1 Granade Tl30 Mines Tl50 Timebomb TL 80 Suicide Bomb and Tl120 Nuke.

Pistols no change from now.

Rifles the same.


The TL should be Some kind of reward and skill. With a normal TL1 Glock for example you can kill same easy like a TL115 Plasma Pistol whatever. The TL should give the player Only the chance to wear new weapons not Force them on the player. Every weapon should be Deadly! Of course it can be outdated with armor but then this weapon should have NO effect on people that wear a Tank PA because its freaking Thick metal and a Small 9mm cant penetrate it. A plasma Pistol should make it without problem.

So we are by armor

Armor should be a choice Protection Vs Movement

No armor just clothes have no negetive effects

Kevlar gives protection from balistic weapons but makes slower and the aim should be slower too.

PA should defend against the most forms of damage But makes very slow and a easy target

All armors Of course with different setups and mixes.


next thing Hitzones.

A Damn Headshot should Kill instantly or do MUCH damage. But should also be hard to hit

A hit on the chest should knock somebody down.

Arm leg hits should make the arm Unavailable!.




The balancing would be not the big problem the MC tank/PE would wear no armor because they Need the speed. And since ammo is very costly there will be much MC. If somebody want to have good protection he should have a PA with a machinegun and be a <real> tank. Spys would also have a decent role as low armor sniper or Mr 47 Killer With bombs who attacks from the shadow

The Price decide everything in NC 3 there are Machineguns But the ammo and weapon is expensive. The atmosphere would become MUCH darker since death is easy to get. Clans and Factions would become much more importend


Trader

First. Every trader could skill to pistol or bombs without a problem (not very high but ok for selfdefense) Weapons from shops or epics are considerd in NC 3 The Best. Unfortunalty also Very expensive.

The Resser
The resser would be changed to Copy a weapon or tool He needs to make a Blueprint agood computer for his technical drawings. better computer better results. A noob would start with no computer he would have paper and pen and is to stupid to understand how a Automatic Pistol works. He starts to built tools and stuff for the starts and too the end he can make nukes. (what needs MUCH time) The blueprints come on a Disk. This disks should be Expensive and differ in size and Lifespan but once owned it can be copyed as much as someone like.

The Conster
Builds the stuff from a Technical drawing. the quality depends on his Skill the Blueprint and the Material. Yes material. There should be a choice what to take as meterial. Wood Metal Plastics and so on. In a little minigame the conster can decide where he uses metal and plastic. So the price weight style and quality of the weapon would be decided. Metal and rare materials should be the RARE parts in the game. For example only the richest person in NC could affort a Golden Gun.

The recycler

he will be Rich depends! he is infact the only one who can supply the conster with materials and chemicals. he can Make ammo and collects after a fight the bulletcases or when leveling the metals from dead machine mobs. to collect it needs a skill so not everybody can loot very good. A stupid tank would find nothing in a warbot.

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The Medic
The name say it all. A doctor that cures wounds or can make with doping drugs he needs a laboratory to Create his items. If a Player is wounded or dead he has some time to heal them or revive them (infact very BF2 Like). To create drugs and stimulants he needs to have also Chemicals that comes from the recycler or (expensive and incomplete since drugs are banned) from shops.

So we are in the next part


Mobs...PVE

Not all god damn animals should be aggressive. Dogs for example dont just bite people. and tehy dont live in sewers. rats run away and so on. So except some mutant animals there should be no threat. Mutents are infact the easyest mobs They are when unarmed easy to kill and when armed still easy because they cant aim very well.
A freaking warbot should be considerd the worst enemy of all. Its a WARBOT for Gods sake!

Its a Mech 10 Meters high with Ion cannons and rockets. It should be VERY VERY hard to kill them. Its Build for war so it should have high armor too. The only efficient way to kill them would be mines.

Loot
Would be what the Mob \enemy is from. When the enemy carry a gun. It should Drop a Gun but Only recycler could make the IOn Cannon of a warbot Out This Loot has to go to the (HIGHSKILL) resser and then tothe (HIGHSKILL) conster in order to make a normal weapon from it. But Human enemys would drop what they have a gun/sword/whatever

Weather
Its the nuclear apocalypse so the outzones and wastes HAVE to be radiated Only with a special suit u can walk deep into them and not for a long time. U need shelter and decontamination after some time. Cars or specially tanks should be safe from radiation. Rain should increase the radiation. The Night should be Dark as possible. You can feel storm pushing u and so on.

and last but not least PVP

The PvP will undergo changes There will be a much deeper need for clan and teamwork since weapons characters and skills are so woven together that a good coordinatet mix will result into victory. Slow machinegun tanks need protection from flankings and melee rushes the protection comes from stormtroopers with light guns or Swords. cars will play a bigger role because U can make a Driveby And use ur car in the City to come from A to B Tanks would be the ultimate weapon on the battlefield expensive and very hard to built (collecting metal for a TANK will take LONG time).

The Outpost should bring credits or resources. So it will give a Very big advantage to the owner There will be 5 Different outpost styles

1 Small Town.
Few shops and houses Give not much money but can be safespot for a clan. Houses can be rented to other players (a NPC rents the appartments) So the citys will be near lvling spots

2 Powerplant
brings MUCH credits more People on server means more Credits for the clan owning it

3. Factory
CAn produce things in massproduction. For example guns but needs resources to work and blueprints have to be specially made for produce in factory what is hard to do.

4. Military Outpost
its pointless because it give no capitalistic advantage. But it should be positioned near Key locations so if somebody owns one in the canyon it will be Impossible for a single person to walk by it (if a enemy Faction Owns it) So there will be tension about this outpost because they can block entire factions in movement. That means there will be a fight for them. The Outpost are very hard to conquer.

5. Mine

Like the name say it. A mine. There different mines for different minerals Only a recycler can work in them to get metal whatever. there will be iron gold uran mines.

The fight about the outpost will be different too. Ther is no UG where the enemy cant go in. There is only a timer and a war decleration If war is decleared on the outpost the enemy team has excactly 1 Hour time to Kill every enemy in the Outpost When all enemys are dead the attacker wins. If the defender get exceeds the timeline the battle is over and they cant declare war on this outpost for 18 hours (realtime). there will also be some a newsboard in the city so everybody knows if somebody win or loosed.

PK and LE
Because new characters HAVE a chance to survive there will be no LE but there will be a punishment for killing a normal Citicen that has no criminal record (yes thats also there and hackers can manipulate them) the punishment can (dont have to 3 strikes rule)be severe because it can exclude people if they behave like psychotics from entering the city that makes decontermination Only possible in a outpost. This will prevent the most from killing N00bs (and the real PK player have to live with the consequences) a noob who atatcks somebody else will also get a criminal record.

This ONLY applies in NCPD controlled areas. In pepper park or outzone is no surviliance.


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So that was my little idea about a NC 3 or how NC 2 should be from my point of view it would give the game a huge jump into dystopian Cyberpunk and would make it realistic without killing the fun.

PS my english sucks i know :D

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Originally Posted by Selket

//Crazy Idea for NC 3!!!!!!!

Make the Bullets, ammo Much more expensive about 1k for LT and 10k for HT each Clip. The game is set right after apocalypse and guns and ammo should be something that only warlords and cops can wear.

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That is absolutely absurd, sir.
Think of the amount in dollars/pounds/euro/whatever. The current prices are pretty fair, if not a bit unfair in the sense that you described.

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make it Mad max style. Only 4 weaponskills Melee, bombs, Pistols and rifles.

Melee should be TL 1 like fist over TL30 Rambo Knife TL 80 Samurai Sword to TL115 Lasersword

Bombs are what they are First are TL 1 Granade Tl30 Mines Tl50 Timebomb TL 80 Suicide Bomb and Tl120 Nuke.

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wut


Okay, I'm really sorry, but I think your ideas are incredibly terrible. You're suggesting that they completely change Neocron to be a completely different, simpler, and stupider game. There's nothing wrong with the general ideas behind (pretty much the entirety of) the game, just a small handful of bad implementations. There is absolutely no call for making ammo ridiculously expensive, and getting rid of heavy, and psi combat.
Your idea to make pa's protect against all damage types just makes it simpler and stupider to make a setup.
The idea is not for making setups to be easy. The idea is for setups to be so diverse in their possibilities that there is obscurity in what setups are the best, and so that people can choose what suits them best. (Even if that is a coward-ass disruptor spy).

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next thing Hitzones.

A Damn Headshot should Kill instantly or do MUCH damage. But should also be hard to hit

A hit on the chest should knock somebody down.

Arm leg hits should make the arm Unavailable!.

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One-headshot kills?
This is Neocron, not Unreal Tournament.
The game isn't supposed to be realistic.

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First. Every trader could skill to pistol or bombs without a problem (not very high but ok for selfdefense) Weapons from shops or epics are considerd in NC 3 The Best. Unfortunalty also Very expensive.

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Traders don't need to be able to combat. Self-defense is pointless in this game if you don't have the setup to be able to put up a fair fight.

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The blueprints come on a Disk. This disks should be Expensive and differ in size and Lifespan but once owned it can be copyed as much as someone like.

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Datacubes are expensive, they cost over 100nc!

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The Medic
The name say it all. A doctor that cures wounds or can make with doping drugs he needs a laboratory to Create his items. If a Player is wounded or dead he has some time to heal them or revive them (infact very BF2 Like). To create drugs and stimulants he needs to have also Chemicals that comes from the recycler or (expensive and incomplete since drugs are banned) from shops.

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Sounds like a recycling PPU.

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Not all god damn animals should be aggressive. Dogs for example dont just bite people.

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They do if they're rabid and/or starving. It's a dog eat man world. Have you seen what they look like?

Sir, have you ever even done any pvp in Neocron? You mentioned Battlefield 2, and having a vague idea of what that's like, it seems to me like you want Neocron to be BF2, which is stupid, since BF2 already exists.

I must admit much ideas are inspired from BF2.

BF2 is a game with millions of players and a near Perfect balance

NCis a game with 100s of players with a great story a great community and the best skill and lvl system i ever saw.



I dont think it would be bad if the best things of both games would join together. Its also a Idea for NC3 not NC2

Another idea:

Top run speed should be achieved only through acceleration. For example, a runner can only reach their top speed after running constantly for (x) amount of time, which should be the same duration accross the board. When a runners stops running or switches to walking the acceleration should reset. This will mean that a runner will need a larger stamina pool or lots of stamina boosters to remain at their top speed for longer.

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Originally Posted by Selket

I must admit much ideas are inspired from BF2.

BF2 is a game with millions of players and a near Perfect balance

NCis a game with 100s of players with a great story a great community and the best skill and lvl system i ever saw.

I dont think it would be bad if the best things of both games would join together. Its also a Idea for NC3 not NC2

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Pardon me for asking good sir, but are you on glue?

I have to agree with Flib. I think your ideas were pretty much all terrible. Battlefield 2, is Battlefield 2. Neocron, is Neocron. Let's keep it that way.

In a nutshell, you want:

Head shots to insta-kill
Chest shots to knock people down
Arm shot renders the arm useless
Let me guess....Leg shot, leg is useless?

So, what you are saying then, is that if you get shot, ANYWHERE, the fight is over before it started?

Anyway - I think Flib said enough. Just wanted to back up his response.

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Originally Posted by L0KI

Pardon me for asking good sir, but are you on glue?

I have to agree with Flib. I think your ideas were pretty much all terrible. Battlefield 2, is Battlefield 2. Neocron, is Neocron. Let's keep it that way.

In a nutshell, you want:

Head shots to insta-kill
Chest shots to knock people down
Arm shot renders the arm useless
Let me guess....Leg shot, leg is useless?

So, what you are saying then, is that if you get shot, ANYWHERE, the fight is over before it started?

Anyway - I think Flib said enough. Just wanted to back up his response.

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Yeah, you...you...NOOB!

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Originally Posted by Hell-demon

Yeah, you...you...NOOB!

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Thanks for the support. lol.

Loki and Flib both make the key point that a lot of people overlook when suggesting visions. This is Neocron, not something else. It's a substatially different from what I'd make if asked to make either a cyberpunk or a post-apoc MMO. I wouldn't confuse the two settings as I think they clash, badly.

That said, I do also know what I'd do to Neocron itself. I've posted a good few of the more restrained changes in this thread. In some theoretical NC3 (which is what I am beginnning to think is what this thread was for. I initally thought it was ideas for the next few patches and would be closed, maybe with feedback a month or two later. It's still here now and the suggestions get grander and grander), I do at least hope that all the classical RPG style cobat system goes away and we get proper hit-scan and projectile weapons, immedialty getting rid of most of the clipping/lag bullshit in this game.