I've been hit by the wave of NC nostalgia.
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I've been hit by the wave of NC nostalgia.
The discussion about Neocron is alive in Black Prophecy (english) Forum - communicator. Come and help your fav game out. Let your voice be heard where KK can't simply ignore your posts
It's here if anyone is interested - http://blackprophecy.gamigo.com/foru...ad.php?t=16531Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamuix99
How much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danae
Tell Kirk to calculate it and tell us a number. You hire the Devs to fix it we pay them. How 'bout that?
Regards,
MMF
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Originally Posted by MadMeleeFreak
Haha - I like that idea. I'd throw some money in the pot ;)
I'll just say what I said over there (BP forum).
The whole thing is pissing me off now.
Either fix it, or tell us why you can't.
Mr. Kirk has Birthday today so... maybe if he is in a good mood he will let something slip...
Happy Birthday, Kirk. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drachenpaladin
Please read the opening post :lol:
The thing is I think Kirk worked for Reakktor when MJS came to the forums and told us all that he had never had a fatal error.....
That was some funny shit.
Lol, did he???Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
I think I remember that aswell. And tell you what: I believe the man did not lie about that. I guess this is part of what is wrong in many game development teams. Every member of the team up to the CEOs especialy on MMO teams should be forced to actualy play the game (not for testing but for enjoyment) at least 24 hours per month.Quote:
Originally Posted by L0KI
I guess that would be a shock therapy for the one or the other person and might have saved games like Tabula Rasa or Neocron. The problem is: if you tell people in interviews and such often enough that your game is developing great and a shitload of fun to play without regularly checking back ingame if that still holds true you pretty quickly will believe your own hype. And then all of a sudden the people playing and complaining wil seem like they are not playing the game you developed and you think they are all wrong or just don't get how this game must be played.
Sadly none of this matters the people that made neocron are long gone, we are just suckling off an extinct rapidly drying up teet
This has already been mentioned a dozen times but...
why not open-source it?
I highly doubt that whoever is running those servers is still making any money on this, publisher's bankrupt and most officials don't seem to care that much or at all.
So, again, why not?
Certainly, the fanbase is there and really, some people even took the time to write an emulator years ago.
From scratch.
This alone is proof that people are willing to put their own time and work, probably even money, into this to get back what was once a great game.
Sure, this won't fix everything but it's a start.
And it would surely mean a MUCH better image for ReaKKtor aswell.
At least, better than just continuing this pathetic history of failure with one or two <1MB Patches a year... at best.
Just an idea though, last time i logged in was years ago.
Even though, what's happening is quite sad so... +1 for L0KI.
open source nc current src code? nah bad idea mate. it's old useless and two rendering engines to work with... if you mean for nc3 then that might be a good idea...
Name one open source game that made it to a state of being finished/releaseworthy and had the decent quality (especialy graphics wise) to compete with commercial games.
You will find little to none examples of that.
Don't Open Source it. Hire someone maybe even from this community. A bunch of gifted peeps is floating around here.
the point wudnt be to make it compete with current commercial games. the point would be to make it playable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMeleeFreak
Face of Mankind went down an interesting route for revival...
They re-launched it under a fan's publishing company as a freemium game, and it had a sudden influx of new subs. Then, several (crappy) changes were made to the game under the original developer, and he pretty much gave up on it for other projects. The developer in question then sold the game on to Nexeon (the publishers), and they hired developers and actually LISTENED to the community.
The game now is stronger than I have seen it in years, and has more and more returnees every day.
It's a shame KK couldn't bite the bullet on this and consider something similar.
Promise!
I will go through this thread within the next days and answer some of your questions and get back to you into a proper discussion!
All the best and thanks for caring about the game you seem to love (still)
Kirk
Wow - it worked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirk Lenke
Well I will apologise in advanced for saying you have 'fun size' brains. Ignore that part, but the rest is good reading ;)
I look forward to us all being able to ask questions over the next week or so. I hope we like some of what we hear, more importantly.
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Originally Posted by MadMeleeFreak
This game is old, the art is old and the engine is old. They aren't going to be able to fix this game and make it on par without remaking it. I would be willing to bed the code has been butchered over the years. They would have to remake this game to make it even close to competeing with anything around. In all honesty, I think they need to remake it to even fix the game in general.
The fact is while there are dedicated people, "fanboys", there aren't enough to support this game. Sure, "This is the best cyberpunk MMO I have played" when people are saying they havn't seen one is going to get people to try it. But a good percent of those will leave once they hear about (or experience) the bugs and the ranting from the community about the company being poor (In both money and quality). I don't know anyone who would fork out money to buy the game, let alone pay a monthly fee in it's current state. This game is basically in a beta state that some people are paying for in the name of "generating money to go to NC3/support KK".
When is NC3 going to happen? Can we actually get some news on that, Kirk? It has been a long, long time since that patch was promised and came out (and reverted..). How is Black Prophacy doing? How is the company as a whole doing? Seeing as how we are supposedly waiting on those two to sort themselves out, I don't see how a status update every now and then would be a bad thing. Yet we have nothing, at all. No status on NC3, NC2 patch development or how well off blackprophacy is or how the company is doing.
I don't see a reason to keep NC 2 as pay to play. I don't have any confidence in you all fixing it, it has been years. Next to no updates, etc. Why should I? All I can tell my friends is "Hey this game is cool, but it's buggy and has no support from developers". And I'm not going to pull a used car salesman move and basically trick them into getting it for you. The game is buggy, the development support is crap and the company is lacking in any interest in sharing information with us as to progress.
I have been playing since beta 4 NC1, and I loved it. I used to go by the name TomParad0x.
You should make the game open source, let us fix it up and maintain it in our spare time. Let people make servers for it if they want to.
Let's face it:
1) Neocron is old, buggy and is using outdated technology. The game needs to be remade if they are going to make it anything that is to bring in money.
2) The community is small, microscopic even by now. The amount of money rolling in from this must be next to nothing.
Open source it. You don't even have the resources to push out a patch to the current game, let alone make a new game based off this one right now. And if you did make a new game, NC2 being open source is not going to affect NC3, unless you barely plan on doing anything new in NC3 that would make it stand out from 2. In which case, what's the point.
Blackprophacy is going to have to be something really special for you to make the money to support developing both games. Since BP is the only game that actually has the potential for income (in their eyes) right now, that is the one that will get priority. Judging by how many posts I see on the BP forum, I'm guessing that game isn't bringing in a whole lot either.
Give us an update on something, seriously. I can't speak for myself, but these people here have been loyal to you. They deserve something for their loyalty, not just more excuses and silence.
1) How is BP doing? Is it bringing in profit?
2) How is KK doing now financially? Are you stable?
3) What are your plans for NC3, or NC2. What are we waiting on for development and what (if anything) are you actively doing development wise on NC2/3?
4) Why won't you open source NC2 or 1 (If you even still have the source for 1)? Are you actually making money/have plans to make money off of it? Can you tell us what they are, or hint at them?. I would be very interested to know how you are going to make money off of an outdated buggy game.
Edit: I am not trying to sound harsh or what not. As I said, I love the game and would love to see it survive and grow.
@Kirk, I am glad to see you read these forums and are interested in replying. I hadn't originally seen your post, I started writing this one before you had replied.
Pleased to see a response! Just remember, wherever you go, the THN is watching you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirk Lenke
*thumbs up* beam us up Kirk! Oh, i think that was Scotty... nvm ;)
Some things which i am curious about:
1) why not having a vote: would you pay for a NC1 or NC2 server?
i know several people which, because of the netcode problems, would really like to see nc1 again, i know this has been discussed quite often on the forums, but i would like to know, why you are not considering this option instead of getting a patch out, wouldn't that be less work?
2) how can we help? What can we do so you are able to fix the current problems with the NC2 netcode? i thought about maybe some donations, which would be managed by a third party or someone the community and you are trusting
3) why is the interpolation, which worked in nc1 not working anymore since i think nc2.2, in nc1 the z coordinate was calculated correctly, but since nc 2.2 it isn't anymore
A suggestion: maybe a new thread where we just post our questions, without any discussion would be nice, so that you can focus on them instead of the usual community blabla ;)
Hate to be pessimistic, but am I the only one who remembers the whole NC3 incident? And the response comes after people have started up an NC thread on the BP forums... again...
I'd be the first to cheer if something actually gets fixed so my favourite game is playable again, but this just feels like a case of déjà vu.
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Originally Posted by r2d22k
I would rather not see another thread. I already posted my questions, on top of that I think most of the important points have been brought up. I would hate to see another thread pop up for questions just to see it spammed with a metric crap-ton of questions that would undoubtedly roll in.
Besides, the standard community "blabla" is a sign of passion for the game. People don't rant about something unless they have feelings involved, especially a decade old game. He needs to know how much people love the game, and want to see it continue. I think part of the idea behind the original post by L0KI was to convey some of the displeasure and emotion felt by the community in general. Let's not make that bypassed.
Just want to say, I disagree with you there on these days commercial games and Neocron competing with them. The truth is, that the recent games except for the Graphics in no way can make up to Neocron!Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreInsanity
Fallen Earth - FAIL. They didn't had any game balance from start on, they didn't had long term PVP objectives and finally they turned Factions into meaningless. Anyone wonders why the game went F2P 2 years after launch?
Earthrise - FAIL. Horrible launch, tab targetting, clumsy animations and combat as intensive as EVE Online LOL
Global Agenda - FAIL. Only MMO Actionshooter with partly soft aim that resembles good ol Tabula Rasa. No RPG, no housing, no crafting
Darfall - or DARKFAIL? Name says it all, the launch was a little bit better then Earthrise and it's Sword an Staff *yawn*
Mortal Online - FAIL. Better launch then Darkfall, but pretty much the same old Orks & Elves cheese you get since 1970s.
Therefore - there is no MMORPG/FPS that offers the same depth and dynamic gameplay as Neocron. This game series is now over 9 years old, and still nobody was able to get close to it or make something better.
I agree with this - to me NC is better than all listed. However, neocron can't compete with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamuix99
The graphics are out of date. No, this isn't everything, especially to me. But eye candy brings in customers. People that say "Hey that looks good" and try it. You don't want people to say "Hey that looks outdated" and walk away. That's what neocron in it's current state would do.
Sadly, game play is not all that sells a game now. And as much hassle as people have to go through to actually sign up for this game, plus the reputation of KK on the forums, etc. It's going to need more than an outdated graphics engine and a fan base that says "It's good I promise!".
sad to see people responding to his posts. he will be back in 3+ years with his promise to say something again.
@flashlight: http://www.neocron.org/ has a timer for the last patch and NC3 announcement!
i would donate money if NC as in its current state gets ported to another engine like my last topic about graphics, http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?t=143976
we ( or should I day "I" ) don't really need new content just a game that isn't broken every single time that it gets a patch...
@Kirk: just a small advice if you want really to have a linux client as you wished in this post of yours http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.ph...4&postcount=17 get one programmer to code on a linux environment from day one instead of making the whole game on windows platform then port it to linux/mac. it reduces a lot of costs...
lol nice setlec if you know who runs that site ask them to add a new timer of his newest "promise to respond to everyone about neocron"
MrTrip runs it :) .Quote:
Originally Posted by Flashlite
I left him a message.