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Cash reduction wasn't on retail. Killing things pre- and post-penality removal yielded the same amount of NC per mob. I'm not positive the XP penality made it to retail, either. The 10% higher requirement penality was in effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brammers
Im all for removing safezones and other stupid things of that sort. From every server. I strongly believe that the LE (+ apt with a good pw) should be the only safety options.
As well as if there was a PVP server, there shouldnt be an LE option (ie. the failure of neptune).
Terra however is different. There should be an LE option. AND REMEMBER! the LE has penalties, they are just not so rediculous as in the beginning.
Let LE people enjoy their game, just as they do. If you see an asshat at an OP or at the MB zoneline. You can just ignore him.
Some of you fellows whine here how bad the LE is and then go to TH to sit in safely...
Isn't there already a slight penalty? It takes up one imp slot? :p
And not to mention the secret XP reduction that took place a long time ago which they said was removed and later it got removed again because apparently it wasn't removed and tbh it doesn't feel like it has been removed :P.
I don't have anywhere near ten million. My main char on terra has 61,000 (last time I looked last night), and on Mars he has one million give or take a few pennies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Havoc One
I would like to see some requirement change for LE chips in the same way as it was in NC1. The LE was meant to be there to allow people to level up and explore the game instead of being ganked immediately. After the players had levelled, or felt confident enough, then the LE usually was removed. Admittably, I removed the LE as soon as the char was created at 0/2, and would continue to do so if I created another char from scratch.
I agree that LEs ought to stay for the moment because they serve a useful purpose.
I have around 1.02 mil on my monk. Nearly 15k on my PE and almost 300k on my spy. I'm in a pvp clan who don't have apartments full of rares and I don't have any WoC discs/spare MC5s/NC1 items etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Havoc One
Of course there's several ways to play NC, which is what I'm complaining about. Playing NC with the LE is completely different to playing without it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Havoc One
Little known fact, carebear actually means anti-pvp, which is a perfectly correct term to use for people who whore LE chips. And I can't get banned for calling people carebears so really, it's not that bad a word..Quote:
Originally Posted by Havoc One
The reason was probably to keep the less hardcore players happy, while the people that wanted to get the most out of the game along with it's experiences and atmosphere, could be kept happy aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Havoc One
its not getting changed so maybe someone should close this thread. its been said a million times but my personal opinion is i would rather see 10 more people playing this game with an LE in than those 10 not here. these 10 contribute to the game experience (not pvp obviously but the rest of it) and are 10 more subs per month for the company to continue to develop the game. look at it in that way.
No im not a fanboi.
PS. on the subject of carebears my gf when she played asked me and asked me and asked me when she could take the le out. i kept having to explain that she can when she gets bigger :) she wanted to remove it at level 10.
Its personal choice as you can see so dont call people carebears. just live and let live.
well after reading all these posts I must agree with Dogface for one thing.
Hes an asshole. and you thought I was just flaming I was trying defend my self but looks like your here call everyone names and just prove everyone wrong ur not even defending now.
To be honest I thought le was cheap when I was younger all i had was pvp on the mind. But theres much more then just pvp...
The job of convincing players to move from the le (the citizens), to pvp (the soldiers) is a responsibility of the clans, it's their long held mindset that is limiting those that wish to pvp to do so. Why?
You've had the map locked down GR wise forever, to the point where it's not dependable enough to even bother with. You have the population jammed into the same old areas (ie: mb bunker, yawn) and have a hell of a job to just explore the world for the first time. It's time to rethink this strategy, it limits rp, and op fighting, for no good reason.
I've gone to quite a few op fights on an le, just to watch you guys. I get insulted, cursed at and generally accused of pissing in everyones corn flakes.
Wouldn't it be much more in pvp interest to allow, no encourage, new runners
to come out to the op and watch the ensuing battle? I would have thought you would want witnesses, the skilled will be recognized for their skill, even become legendary, because so many have seen it. This will make them, more then anything else, WANT to remove the le, to become a soldier in the battle, rather then a citizen standing by watching helplessly.
The LE is a rules of engagement enforcer. You don't kill defenseless citizens,you go after their military protectors.
Hell if I could take my unLed tradeskillers out to watch a battle like that, without being the first to go down because I'm defenceless, I'd sweeten the pot for the victor and bring a big pocketfull of freshly built rares to pick over.
The le xp malus, DJ, would only serve to slow down those headed for pvp.
Us roleplayers could care less, me at least.
I'll never become pvp here though, it's not my kind of pvp, that, for lack of a better word "furball" style,everyone toe to toe. I prefer my pvp to include concealed approach, suppression fire from cover, flanking maneuvers, that sort of thing.
Instead of trying to force them to remove the le by restricting their freedom, convince them to remove it by allowing them the freedom to actually see what's out there.
Honor before Accolades, if the clans adopted this motto, the le could be removed from the game sure, but then it will be the clans' responsibility to maintain the rules of engagement, and thus the honor.
Just a touch more civility in the pvp arena, that's all it would take...
Yup, knew that. I enjoy it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by kane
, and . <-- learn them. I'm not defending because I'm not prepared to sit on the forums for 5 hours constantly refreshing the page just to see what you replied with o_O I was in-game. Calling someone who whores the LE chip a carebear is as justified as calling a homosexual, a homosexual. It's not derogatory, it's not mean it's just a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by kane
that is not without a reason tho, which is basically the only quarrel i got with the le. many ppl just use it to more or less exploit the system, like for example in op fights le'd chars are often just spies for the defending clan. there are dozens of tactics le'd chars can use to aid unled fighters and these need to be fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammson
i have no problem with ppl who just want to play the game without having to watch their backs constantly, but i find it most irritating if i see the le'd alt of a person i'd love to take revenge on hacking a warbot and i can't do shit to kill him. that's why i was always of the opinion that the le should be a player setting, i.e. either all your chars are le'd or none of your chars are le'd, so it wouldn't be possible to log your le'd alt to earn cash for your ganking runs or help a clanmate by trading other players while he camps a gr.
These two quotes sum up my stance.
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Originally Posted by Mighty Max
I am willing to accept the penalties for having an LE in my tradeskiller so I can guarantee to my customers that I will deliver their freshly constructed/repaired items (especially rares) without any of them being ganked by bored lamers who thinks "fun" is killing a zero combat rank who obviously has no weapon or PA. Some of these idiots still attempt to kill LEd skillers using a variety of exploits. I look for those fools on my other non-LEd alts.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceStorm
Why has this turned into a debate about whether or not the LE should be removed? DJ started the thread without that idea in mind and my first suggestion didn't really include removing it, did it?
Quite clear, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogface
Giving one group a bonus for doing something is exactly the same a penalizing a group for not doing it. This game doesn't need anymore reasons go get people to not play it.
People with LEs are gaining nor losing out on anything. Where's the penalty here?
Believe it or not, it takes a long time to level if you're not working with a group that has found/cornered/monopolized the current high-XP gain mob in the game. For a casual player, reintroducing XP/req penalities would be a slap in the face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogface
LEs have enough indirect penalities as it is. Re-adding the initial retail penalities (documented, not actual) would be an insult to me. I'm a long-time player with multiple accounts. Why should I be penalized now when the very obvious attempts to give PvPers what they want have backfired repeatedly?
This thread and others like it are just veiled attempts to discuss a sledgehammer approach to closing certain loopholes in the engine/game mechanics, loopholes KK has already stated are acceptable at this time. If you have a problem with certain LE'ed players, report them to KK via e-mail.