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well, tbh, if its about time to end the reign of the "Uber" setup, then this is how we do it. For me, setups matter only in achieving the main skills like Dex levels for guns. Having -1 in agility wont make exactly the hell in differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by .hack//sign
Alternative 1.
Although 3 sounds tempting, if the loss based on /condition rather than condition/.
Setups will be gone anyways.Quote:
all my setups I spent time coming up with have gone right out the window.
There is no way around that when the way skills work is changed. (I.e. removing the skill hickups at higher level, aka the "with higher skill less effect"-bug)
Option one.
i have always wanted option 3
option 1 is just stupid. why even have a condition if they dont detiriorate
when your herk gets battered to hell and back you should sell it on the market for less than you payed for it and use that money to invest in a higher quality one meaning there is always a need for items in the economy.
option 3 is the best ONLY on the condition that items are only effected by there MAXIMUM quality not there current... then the more the item is used the lower its quality goes. and people will repair there armour and implants with reppers who have higher skills and less often
Option 1, there are better ways to make csted armor/imps worth it.
What I would do, is add slots to armor and imps and then let players mod items to customize the stats on it. So for armor you can, to a degree, choose to specialize in 1 resist or spread resists out. This is going to be even more useful with the new armor system.
For imps you can choose to mod them with small boni to things like agil, atl, resists, or subskills. This could also be used to offset the maluses on many imps, you can mod them to emphasize their functions or choose to negate their negatives.
Not a bad idea onero. i can imagine trade channel going "WTB 5 Slot SA! Paying OUT THE ASS!!!!" already.
another option is to make the imps break easier but not lose bonuses. then it pushes the trader aspect as people will need more things repaired more often. just a thought.
Unless you're radically changing how we obtain implants, this will only have an impact on the rarepart-only imps. All other imps are trivial to obtain in a xx/120 condition state.
If the goal is to make MC5 even more of a timesink, by all means choose something between Alternative 2-4.
If the goal is to have a true impact on gameplay, then either you're about to make a change in how construction skill impacts condition or you're about to radically alter how imps are created/sourced. Neither option sits well with me.
Seeing as how I don't believe you're going to "fix" the outstanding NC1 bugs, I'd really rather you just drop this altogether and focus on fixing NC1's bugs, therefore I vote Alternative 1.
P.S. Unless you radically alter implant creation/sourcing or impose character creation restrictions, none of the alternatives will have an impact on any of my characters, save possibly my MC5-using Hybrid Monk. I build or FSM-buy all the imps I use now. Push comes to shove, I retire the Monk.
Another problem with implants taking damage and then loosing the bonus is people just logging out on death.
It already sucks when people just lay around for ages waiting for their beloved PPU to rezz them but the whole implant problem would make it worse.
So either ditch the whole thing or give is a timer, i.e. after 10 minutes a dead guy will automatically respawn in his apartment.
mhmm
make all store bought imps only have 30-90 quality depending on where you get thema nd how much u pay (make outzone be dirt cheap low quality and make proper shops medium quality where as tech haven would be high quality. but user built items would be 120 quality
lowering subskill bonuses wont have that much effect on players apart from monk hybrids. most people spec over what they need to fire there weapons anyway and things like armour only have base stat requierments. maby freeze weplore and willpower and mst because again these are requiermnets to fire a weapon that peope spec the minimum amount. but apart from that degrading seems nice
make mc5's and such degrade much slower than normal so people are not constantly complaining.. or keep the degrading rate the same but make everybody happy and make them pop less often
This idea does make sense to have in-game but more the important thing most of you mustn't be thinking about is the impact any option other than #1 will have on the remaining population after the balancing is done. And the key words in that sentence are impact and remaining population.
Without even thinking of adding this timesync such as constantly repairing your implants every 2minutes for the sake of a bit of realism, how many extra techs are going to be added to the rare pool? With the current mob settings it's going to take considerably longer to farm techs, and at the current rate, death is going to happen much more quickly - so lots more death and annoyance when half your implants screw over.
-1 agility at a time doesn't particularly hurt THAT much, but if it's going to affect resists, and a whole bunch of other skills at once too, then those points all add up Neocron has always been a game where every little makes a difference, and still is in most areas.
Even more so: Think of how these sort of changes affect the general/new player, and particularly their newbie low level characters during the levelling process. So far the most people have been doing on the test server is seemingly running around on capped characters with the best armour they can wear and all artifact items; and we think the mobs are stronger? I wonder how they'll think of it all being a newbie with degrading skills and nothing but a Jones heal and a bit of armour that's artifact?
Adding extra nonesense timesyncs to the game for the sake of realism isn't the way forward. People need to be encouraged to play the game for what it is, preferably shooting each other rather than running around thinking "oh no, my implants are going to be wrecked, I don't want to waste yet another hour sat in TechHaven repairing all my gear" and the whole array of other reasons.
option 1 or...
maybe 3 if its 120/120<--- that matters and not -->120/120
also i think only after /60 imps should start degrading.
I dont want another big timesink. I want to PVP and PVE. Lately there hasnt been much PVP anywhere outside ops... please dont give me another reason to leave when i just got back.
Alt 5:
Implants repair up to 120/120 instead of degrading after repairs, but implants still degrade in bonus's excluding main skills. This means that a user who has an implant at 0/120 can rep it to 120/120.
Also GM's replace stolen items :D
However I don't see you implimenting that! HA So....how about LEAVE IT ALONE!? Alt 1. Why? Because I don't like the idea of replacing my implants! It will push up the market and place more pressure on MC5, which will just be a pain in the arse!
I'd love that to a limited degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by onero S
csted items having 1 slot; armour allowing you to add 10% of the normal resistance in one damage line, imps allowing you to add 5 (random number, not enough to make a major difference but enough to matter) to a sub skill.
Whatever you do don't let it effect mainskills.
Even though we still know very little of all the changes that will take effect in evolution 2.2, I still find it hard to see how this “Implant scaling based on item quality” needs to be implemented at this point and time?
Since no one really knows how the other changes (changes that pretty most have been expecting and craving for, for a long time) will work out, why not wait and see how the major and more critical issues have been solved and what side-effects come from those...