The Monk

Ok a few points.


A solo APU is very fragil, unlike spys then can't use shelter
Hybrids are overpowerd and need tweaking.

Yes the was boosters work makes APUs the best dmg dealer hands down, THIS IS WORKING WELL KAME AND DOES NOT NEED FIXING, psi pool limits apus in terms of debuff/hl, and psi boosters cost way more than ammo. Not to mention they don't stack and use stam everytime you use them. They don't need a nef. Apus don't need a nerf.



PPUs don't even need a nerf anymore



That leaves hybrids and apu/ppu teams.

Make forign cast buffs less effective, making con more important. Buff the way con works so tanks gain an advantadge.

There apu/ppu teams fixed


Now for hybrids, reconsider what buffs they should be able to use, perhaps hybrids with the tl 10 heal (newly nerfed remember), no db, and no s/d would be balanced. Sort of a weak apu, but with primes and an ok heal.



Why for the love of god to people want to nerf apus. Kame if its so easy why don't you play a solo apu out there?


FFS in the history of neocron there have been less good apus compared to any other class.


Edit: And Kame, its obvious you have never tried playing an apu with no ppu or you would not be talking about how easy mode it is, I have TONS of respect for people that choose to do that as it is perhaps the hardest class to solo pvp with. And I don't mean duels, apus are fine in duels, but real running around finding pvp, apus take TONS of skill to play well. And yes a solo apu is way weaker defensivly than any other class (well not droner) when you consider spys can drug for shelter and apus don't even have a tl 3 heal.

APUs were designed to play with they PPU counter part.
PPL that plays solo APUs might have balls and thats good for them if they can manage to kill.

But the point remains that a lot of little things make the MONKS an easy class to play.
Damage wise it would be nice if they had a cooldown point in their attack scheme.

See the mana regeneration is somethinmg that would touch ALL MONKS, btw, not just the APUs.

apus were not ment to be played with ppu, but due to the current game mechanics that is the only viable way to really play them atm, this should be fixed such that apu/ppu teams are weaker and less viable then they are atm and solo apus are more viable. Obviously the way to do this is not to simply nerf apus. We need to change the way apu/ppu teams interact.

APU monks have great resists in most departments but they have holes in their con setup. They drop realy fast to xray and force/peircing weapons. So how about if thats not fast enough instead of reducing all of their armour we force them to spec in armour only good against most damage types. I would much rather that then just give them no defence at all.

Also if the shelter only absorbs so much dmg it should have a higher time limit on it.

Just some ideas. Basicly i just want you guys to do a good job. Not even a big deal what you do so long as the end result is good.

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Originally Posted by Terayon

APU monks have great resists in most departments but they have holes in their con setup. They drop realy fast to xray and force/peircing weapons. So how about if thats not fast enough instead of reducing all of their armour we force them to spec in armour only good against most damage types. I would much rather that then just give them no defence at all.

Also if the shelter only absorbs so much dmg it should have a higher time limit on it.

Just some ideas. Basicly i just want you guys to do a good job. Not even a big deal what you do so long as the end result is good.

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agreed

You want to balance the PSI?

implement a REAL PSI resistance like poison or heat
so you won't need to adjust anything else

In a hitech sci-fi game, monks shouldnt have never existed in the first place. We should focus more in weapons and gadgets so that we will see more pes, spies and tanks in the new ballanced war theatre.

For the above reason, we can completely dump the idea of ONLY EXTREME offense (eg:APU) or ONLY EXTREME defence (eg:PPU) for the ballanced hybrid which will make essentially for the Private of the monks. Same resists, same offenses like pes, no reticle for aim(easier aiming) but also NO gadgets.

ofcourse we forget ALL about ppus and apus and the imballancies those 2 carry with them, and we can now adjust offense/defense easier to the rest of the classes for enjoyable op wars

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Originally Posted by jini

In a hitech sci-fi game, monks shouldnt have never existed in the first place. We should focus more in weapons and gadgets so that we will see more pes, spies and tanks in the new ballanced war theatre.

For the above reason, we can completely dump the idea of ONLY EXTREME offense (eg:APU) or ONLY EXTREME defence (eg:PPU) for the ballanced hybrid which will make essentially for the Private of the monks. Same resists, same offenses like pes, no reticle for aim(easier aiming) but also NO gadgets.

ofcourse we forget ALL about ppus and apus and the imballancies those 2 carry with them, and we can now adjust offense/defense easier to the rest of the classes for enjoyable op wars

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Interesting point of view, I personaly don't agree and apparently kk devs don't as well.

So keeping in mind that monks with an extreem roll will stay in game, it is important to balance the apu/ppu teams without making apus a reliant on ppus like is currently the case. The way to do this is boost base apu defence slightly (note I don't mean resists neccicarily, giving them a tl 3 heal would be such a boost for instance)

And nerf apu/ppu combos by decreasing the boost that having a ppu gives an apu.

PPUs can be as tough as you like when it comes to PvP, the real issue with them is the effect they have on other players.

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Originally Posted by Dribble Joy

PPUs can be as tough as you like when it comes to PvP, the real issue with them is the effect they have on other players.

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my point exactly, they need to be ajusted 2 ways

1)they need to not have tooo big an effect on other players

2) They need to boost classes more equily than currently, ie atm them boost apus more than any other class in the game.

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Originally Posted by -FN-

Perhaps just add a reticle to APU modules and don't make them pass/fail, but the % of damage they can do. A fully locked reticle would do the normal 75-100% damage while a fully open reticle would do 1-25%.

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Add a reticle to APU modules end of story, along with reducing APU module damage output. If there's going to be balance, all weaponry should have an aim reticle, and not just the "idea" of having one, by doing reduced damage if not fully locked on.

As Cmaster said, monk armour is way too good compared to any other class, a typical monk doesn't need any energy resist skill base, now that has to say something.

I would personally like to see damage boost limited to Private Eyes, and letting a PPU only be able to use damage boost sanctum.

Edit: I just hope to god I haven't wasted my time playing Neocron to be completely buggered when all the balance threads are considered and put to action.... Neocron is Monk-O-Cron, Melee-PoB-Tank-O-Cron and Clip/ZoneWhore-O-Cron, hopefully that will change (obviously not the last of those three).

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Originally Posted by unreal

Add a reticle to APU modules end of story, along with reducing APU module damage output. If there's going to be balance, all weaponry should have an aim reticle, and not just the "idea" of having one, by doing reduced damage if not fully locked on.

As Cmaster said, monk armour is way too good compared to any other class, a typical monk doesn't need any energy resist skill base, now that has to say something.

I would personally like to see damage boost limited to Private Eyes, and letting a PPU only be able to use damage boost sanctum.

Edit: I just hope to god I haven't wasted my time playing Neocron to be completely buggered when all the balance threads are considered and put to action.... Neocron is Monk-O-Cron, Melee-PoB-Tank-O-Cron and Clip/ZoneWhore-O-Cron, hopefully that will change (obviously not the last of those three).

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all of those ideas are bad (exept perhaps the retical one)


Monk armor: You can't nerf monk armor without making apus unplayable exept without a ppu (or even worse than they are atm) What you need to do is reduce how effective ppu spells are on an apu.

Then balance hybrids


Dmg: Apus are supposed to do the best dmg, don't nerf their dmg and give them a retical, then they much as well be any other class, instead balance them so they are not overpowered in group pvp and remain glass canons. Atm solo an apu is fine and his dmg output is not overpoweringly high. Reducing his dmg would again make apus unplayable solo.


Reticals: Sure, don't really care it won't affect the good players anyway.



As for the db comment, db should be limited to PPUs and not given to any other class.

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Originally Posted by onero S

As for the db comment, db should be limited to PPUs and not given to any other class.

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Well someone must hate PEs. Doing this would practically make the PE useless, since he cannot use the better weapons as effiecently as say a spy. People would just make spies.

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Originally Posted by Apocalypsox

Well someone must hate PEs. Doing this would practically make the PE useless, since he cannot use the better weapons as effiecently as say a spy. People would just make spies.

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PEs should not do the same dmg as spys, with the rework it has already been said there will be more things to distinguish them, giving PEs db is not a good way to balance them.

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Originally Posted by Tesee

You want to balance the PSI?

implement a REAL PSI resistance like poison or heat
so you won't need to adjust anything else

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That will make things so much worse...