he gave loki some answers yes. Then went on to say he would answer the rest of us (including the summary) that week, or at the latest the next week:
http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=187
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he gave loki some answers yes. Then went on to say he would answer the rest of us (including the summary) that week, or at the latest the next week:
http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=187
Again not trolling as previously stated. All I am saying is in my humble opinion if youre gonna threaten to stir up the BP forums if you dont hear an update within in a month then say it and give it a month from the date you posted, not a month from the last comment.
Is this any clearer?
p.s Anything he spoke to Loki about should stay confidential. If it was meant for public consumption then we too would have been told about it.
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Originally Posted by Kirk Lenke on 8/29/11
Nothing to see here people, move along.
Let's unsticky this and start over with a new thread.
agreed, but when he found out he was gonna ignore us again he could have allowed loki to say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
Will> In your humble opinion, you imagined that I announced to troll attack the BP Forums, which I didn't state. My statement was, that we will make our voices heard in the BP Forums as they can't ignore us there and it caused them to react on complaints in Neocron Forum before.
Well, if you think they have anything to fear, then you also think that they aren't doing things properly and right which is a reason that they have to be afraid. At the same time, I tell you that they won't have anything to worry about as long as they treat the Neocron community fair. An small statement once a month isn't something that'll break their bones.
With regards to the telephone call to Loki. I'm on the side of Biglines. It's not understandable why at one hand doing personal efforts as calling a member of the community and have a detailed talk, and at the other hand going into complete ignorance again. I'm for everything that helps Neocron to progress again and supports the community. And if that means buidling up pressure in BP Forums, I'll do that too.
Still dont see how creating a shit storm on the bp forum will be in any way constructive or conducive to getting answers desperately sought from this community.
Its like lighting a fire and drinking a load of turps and then weeing on the fire. not a great idea imo. your call.
well it has been the only thing that has helped in the last 3 years... most of the messages from KK or kirk specifically have only come after things were posted on the BP forums.
I don't see what right anyone here has to complain though. The servers are up, they are free. You're not paying a subscription.
I agree with the people who are complaining, you have valid arguments to make but I fail to see how you have a right to go and do this. I was merely trying to counsel against any rash actions yet in two posts thus far I have been flamed and insulted for basically playing devils advocate.
I am just offering a different point of view to the rabble rousers. I got a pm recently off kirk myself with regards to a post I made and for this reason I take this stance on things. There are things behind the scenes at corporate level that we poor peons know nothing about. All the speculation and hyperbole in the world is not going to get us any further forward.
The best thing to do is keep patient. It's not like any of you need Neocron to breathe. It's not as if your lives would end if they switched off the servers. There are plenty of other games to play while we wait for new developments or news on this project.
Skyrim is out soon, Rage is out now and Battlefield 3 is due out before the month end.
If anyone wants something new to play there are 3 games of varying genres which all look pretty awesome. Just branch out and take your frustrations out on another game. People here are getting too wound up about stuff.
Take off the bedroom armour boys, these internet commandos have had their mission cancelled.
This evening I downloaded Fallen Earth, set up an account, logged in, and let it download the game and patch it. It took 3 hours.
Rebooted (to be safe): The game cannot connect with their server, my account is inaccessible, and their Support pages for FA time out! No wonder its free.
"The address http://kb.fallenearth.com/, is currently unavailable."
Solution: Uninstall Fallen Earth, and start NC.
And people complain about NC... /deep sigh.
well firstly, some people still pay for nc :p
secondly, when a person promises something, I for some strange reason think they should actually keep those promises. But that's just a weird thing I have.
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Originally Posted by Biglines
'Tis a fair presumption. Wasted here :(
I recently did the same thing, had no problems at all, and im starting to play it again because I decided to give up on NC. Kirk has personally proven to me in this very thread that KK are still the same "don't give a shit about the people who play their game" company that they've been for the last 4 years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by zii
After, and ONLY AFTER, we bitch in the BP forums does he respond to us here, promising that he'll answer some basic fundamental questions pertaining to NC. He even goes so far as to ask us to summarize the questions into one post (which Biglines did the same day) which he then says he'll answer within the week. Then he disappears for a while, only to resurface weeks later claiming that he has "family issues" to deal with and that he's still going to answer these questions when he finds time in his oh so busy schedule. Fair enough, people have shit to deal with, but it's been almost two months now, and still we get the usual KK silent treatment.
The fact that some of you here think that this is ok is your own opinion and right, I have nothing against anyone who disagrees with me in this regard. It's just maddeningly frustrating to have Kirk tease the idea of actual answers after so many years only to have him do the typical KK disappearing act. It would have been better if he hadn't said anything at all, in fact this thread would have died in page 2 two months ago like every other thread regarding this subject has. Instead we're nearly 30 pages into a squabbling bitter hope-fest between cynics and fanbois.
I'm not sure what I even hoped to accomplish by posting this here tonight, It's just sad that Kirk doesnt have the decency to actually truthfully reply here. I'm not asking for info that he can't legally talk about, I'm asking for some kind of human response. No more stalling and excuses, no more cryptic phone calls to Loki, just some cold hard simple truths regarding Neocron - The only game I've ever really loved, and the only one I even really give a shit about.
i think that sums up this alot better than "lets start a shit storm on the bp forum" or "lets argue back and forth for 30 odd pages. i think we let this thread die now. not sure theres much more to be added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faid
Doc> With regards to your idea of shit-storm. All we do is simply informing on the BP Forums what is happening here. And if that anything is stinking - then it's KKs own shit they didn't care of, not ours. By that it's a good reminder to them that they still have work to do here or it will also stink there ;)
And as Biglines already said, only by making our voices heard on the BP Forums, we also got a response here.
Will> If you don't see what right people have to complain, then read Biglines posting again. He linked Kirks promise there for everyone - including you - to see. We have been promised to get answers from Kirk and now we are waiting for these answers - not just a week or two as Kirk said before.
It also have missed your attention that some people still pay fees voluntarely and a lot of people are willing to pay normal monthly subscription again for a stable running game. That means also support for KK.
I have to remind you, that you claimed me of starting a flame war in BP Forums which I didn't write in that way. First you spread your own little version of the world, not to say lies, and then you cry of people flaming you? Really cute. :angel:
I tell you something, next time that Kirk sends you a private message on the forum and thanks you for protecting his slumber - ask him the same questions that the community did before. Maybe you are of higher morale and therefore get answers more soon. Thanks in advance :cool:
I wouldn't suggest letting the thread die. I'm all in favor of letting the people on BP know KKs past so that something good might come of it. Letting the thread die does nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
However, I wouldn't go as far as make personal claims or remarks about Kirk and his character. Sure he promised us, but we don't know what's going on. It's not constructive; If he already doesn't care it does no good, if he does care you're going to make him wonder why he should. If I had a bunch of people flaming me when they are ignorant of what's going on, I would wonder why I should give a crap.
That being said, he could update the thread more. Or send some one else to say what's going on. I don't think the problem is purely he hasn't answered our questions, but that we have to post on the BP forums to get any kind of response. I think if he actually responded to this thread regularly with some kind of an update then people would be less angry.
He needs to show us he still cares about this game and the community. I think they do, or else the game wouldn't still be up. But they need to be doing it more actively.
Heck, as much as I hate Twitter, a Twitter page with updates on his progress towards our goal and the questions would be better than this.