Community Project: Neocron DeathMatch modification in Source engine

That sounds plan a good idea- I can write up a simple bat script (or program if need be) that performs this step.

A program would be necessary to extract/decompress the majority of sounds/sfx.

I imagine that this 'loop hole' would only apply to sound files, as we would need to perform conversion of the 3d and image assets?

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The hand rail does look better, but it also doesn't make me feel like I'm in the Neocron universe. If we are at the point where hand railings stand out as the major aesthetic failing I think we are doing pretty good :)

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I imagine that this 'loop hole' would only apply to sound files, as we would need to perform conversion of the 3d and image assets?

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Seeing as sound would be the only thing we would want to use from the original (and the only thing which would work this way), yes, the rest we'd probably want to update anyway

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The hand rail does look better, but it also doesn't make me feel like I'm in the Neocron universe. If we are at the point where hand railings stand out as the major aesthetic failing I think we are doing pretty good :)

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Well the low-poly feel of both walls and handrails was the only thing that was missing in the screen shots

Also I think it would be important to note a difference between the low-poly look of neocron, and the actual atmosphere of neocron

Low poly walls? Please clarify.

All the props and models in Neocron could be easily directly imported into source- but finding a way to do the conversion at 'install time' using an existing install would be complicated. And I know it has been stated that ripping assets in advance would not be allowed.

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Low poly walls? Please clarify.

All the props and models in Neocron could be easily directly imported into source- but finding a way to do the conversion at 'install time' using an existing install would be complicated. And I know it has been stated that ripping assets in advance would not be allowed.

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the curves looked a bit low poly to me, but that could be the angle

as for converting the files, that would be changing the files, which is afaik not allowed for software like that

I would just like to say that I am excited about the progress we are making. And I can't wait to get more into the "meat" of the mod, with some actual changes to the gameplay and whatnot. I want to thank everyone in the community for your support and contribution.

@ Rambus & Biglines:
I think it is a good idea to add the *.mp3's to the game. It should give the game a more Neocron feel. I also would like to mention that I can edit audio and have a full recording studio in my house. So, does anyone know a super sexy sounding lady that would like to record the Neocron PA's and possibly make some new ones? I work with a young lady who is a trained vocalist, but when I mentioned the project to her, she wanted me to flash some cash... and I can't do that atm... I can't make music like that in Neocron, I play mostly rock and metal and my previous attempts at ambient music was laughable...

well all the ambient music can be found in neocron2\sound\mp3 and as long as we don't distribute it but be so kind as to allow people to also use them with out mod, people should be able to play them ingame (hell, it could be as simple as a background mp3 player that plays the files from the neocron folder in a specific order)

as for gun sounds, we'll prolly have to do those ourselves, or see if we can find some creative commons sound libraries we can use modified files from (neocron uses some wav format that even videolan won't open)

or we could ask KK nicely if we can use theirs only for people that own neocron2? I mean, we all have the files, that would just require some way to play them at the right time

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(neocron uses some wav format that even videolan won't open)

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I have never had any problem accessing Neocron audio assets?
I think if we distributed a program with the mod that ripped all of your local neocron audio assets to the mod folder, that would be legal? (Meaning anyone who played the mod would also have to have Neocron installed).

The Starcraft 3D mod for warcraft 3 comes to mind
http://technoteching.blogspot.com/20...aft-3-mod.html

It required you have Starcraft installed to run, it then decoded audio assets so warcraft3 could use them. Just because blizzard didn't shut it down doesn't mean its legal- but I would have expected them to if it was not.

EDIT: But of course asking pretty please first wouldn't hurt :)

if by ripping you mean anything other than playing/copying, i think it is illegal, as modifying neocron files (which it is), is against the TOS. if they can be played by the game or another tool, I don't see how that could be illegal

but yes, if we could get niddies or some other mod's opinion on the matter that would be great

Ripping and distributing is definetly illegal.

Providing a tool that rips your local assets to a different folder, may not be.

EDIT: The term 'rip' here refers to, locally removing the zlib compression on the audio pak file, and copying the uncompressed contents to another folder.

oh and in case niddy reads this (I sent him a pm asking for an informed opinion), the thread is getting full again, would me summarizing all the work done over time again in a new thread be better, or do you say keep this thread open? (I would edit the start post, but the stupid edit rules on this forum won't let me)

I think its time for a new post.

I doubt anyone saw my new screens, so I would love to see them smacked on the first page.

That way people will be able to see where we are at with out sifting through pages of technical discussion.

Feel free to start a new thread which includes the meat of the project so far and we can unstick this and link it into the new discussion.

Feel free to follow this model each time you guys feel you've reached a specific milestone as it should keep people on their toes and reading.

very great work !!!!! why u guys dosnt workin for ReaKKtor... :D

Please use the new thread which has a summary of new eye candy etc from this thread in the first post to continue discussion.

http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?t=144142