nah, its just based on my own expiriences of how often i was killed in TG wich is no save zone and with guards that suck.Quote:
Originally posted by Archeus
I think you underestimate the urge to kill in some people.
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nah, its just based on my own expiriences of how often i was killed in TG wich is no save zone and with guards that suck.Quote:
Originally posted by Archeus
I think you underestimate the urge to kill in some people.
to me it sounds like the cops will go from there die you have a weapon out ways and go CA gaurd-ish (ocviously more inteligent, lol) so pro city guys can have there weapons drawn incase of an anti city raid.
i think alot less people will be monks with DOY, and more will turn to PEs or Spys for the infiltration or Neocron and vise versa.
i cant wait for
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THE LIST
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~T
so much for FA being the neutral scientist guys...Quote:
Originally posted by Benjie
The Twilight Guardian Canyon, and Teck Haven will no longer be the central headquarters for TG and FA, but instead will probabally serve as an faction outpost. Both factions will be relocated to the inner city of DOY.
actually i read the first bit as (been a few years since i spoke german fully) that support characters such as Droners and PPU can HIRE bodyguards, (e.g. Citymerc's).
Sorry for being an ignorant ass, but..
Question.
As a FA, can I then no longer play without having to purchase the expansion, because of the fact FA HQ will be in the DoY ? What would be the point of being a FA if I can't get to my own HQ.
Sounds good anyway. I will probably have to delete an account to be able to afford this if we are to pay on a monthly basis for this expansion (I'd prefer to pay one time for it, as I already pay every month to play the game after all, but that has been discussed in another thread).
Looks like BDoY will be worth it anyhow. Exciting changes are coming our way :)
I think you will have to buy NCBDOY to play the game at all but this will be a one off payment.Quote:
Originally posted by Sundiver
Sorry for being an ignorant ass, but..
Question.
As a FA, can I then no longer play without having to purchase the expansion, because of the fact FA HQ will be in the DoY ? What would be the point of being a FA if I can't get to my own HQ.
Sounds good anyway. I will probably have to delete an account to be able to afford this if we are to pay on a monthly basis for this expansion (I'd prefer to pay one time for it, as I already pay every month to play the game after all, but that has been discussed in another thread).
Looks like BDoY will be worth it anyhow. Exciting changes are coming our way :)
~T
That's what it sounds like to me.
i all have my own toughts about these changes ... i still dunno if i have to be happy or if i have to cry ... time will tell :)
we hassled MJS to tell us if it was now a required add on (which would be pathetic IMO, DAOC and PS you dont "need" the expansions... DAOC improved the graphics, added classes, added races, added weapons, added stats, added items... and you can still play that without the expansion...) however i dont think we got a reply.Quote:
Originally posted by Tratos
I think you will have to buy NCBDOY to play the game at all but this will be a one off payment.
~T
we are left to wait for the announcement (late dec / early jan wasnt it?)
It's just an xpansion...you pay once and you're done...
I can't really see why you wouldn't want it...epspecially after martin said that all current players will be getting it at a discount...after all this time of waiting for it and people wanting more...It'd be kinda dumb not to get it...it'll be adding a whole new area and (hopefully) more things to get/do...In AC you didn't *have* to get the xpansion...but if you didn't you couldn't interact with any of the items...you couldn't go to the new area...and you missed out on a lot of quests and new things in general...and he's pretty much stated it is a required thing because someone asked how long he would leave the normal NC servers up and running and MJS stated that that was something which was being heavily discussed...Quote:
we hassled MJS to tell us if it was now a required add on (which would be pathetic IMO, DAOC and PS you dont "need" the expansions... DAOC improved the graphics, added classes, added races, added weapons, added stats, added items... and you can still play that without the expansion...) however i dont think we got a reply.
*wow...I rambled a lot...but I think I got atleast on point across...just buy the damn xpansion :D *
No safe zones in NC = good.
TH/MB/CS = safezones = baaaad.
i dont want it :p i no longer regularly play NC. if DoY brings in some major high end content i may be tempted back... but im not sure why im spending what i am on the game, paying more just to carry on playing as little as i do seems like a waste to me.Quote:
Originally posted by Dade Murphey
It's just an xpansion...you pay once and you're done...
I can't really see why you wouldn't want it...epspecially after martin said that all current players will be getting it at a discount...after all this time of waiting for it and people wanting more...It'd be kinda dumb not to get it...it'll be adding a whole new area and (hopefully) more things to get/do...In AC you didn't *have* to get the xpansion...but if you didn't you couldn't interact with any of the items...you couldn't go to the new area...and you missed out on a lot of quests and new things in general...and he's pretty much stated it is a required thing because someone asked how long he would leave the normal NC servers up and running and MJS stated that that was something which was being heavily discussed...
*wow...I rambled a lot...but I think I got atleast on point across...just buy the damn xpansion :D *
this is of course only my situation, i can see why at least 90% of the players will get DoY :D
could you point this out? i must have missed it :D quotage pleaseQuote:
and he's pretty much stated it is a required thing because someone asked how long he would leave the normal NC servers up and running
k,german aint my main language(nor is english) but here goes,someone else please fill in the gaps/correct my mistakes.Not everything is translated cause i had to mny doubts about them.
Also we believe,that it wont hurt,to put more responisbility
in the hands of te players.
Support-chars (droner,ppu), whome feel threatened while
venturing throug the non-safe zones,should hire some bodyguards(ex.CM?)
Who can protect them from harm.THats why a droner, who has found
a safe spot in such a zone cause great damage
(= droners can make plaza1 unsafe)
The whole way of playing and the whole filosofy of the game will change to the way we would have liked it to be upon the original release of neocron...
But first the release of Doy,who will be a counterpart to Neocron(the city)
,which will make it possible to remove the safezones.
It will surely go clearly in 2 directions.One is that there will be more PVP
and also improve the organisation talent of the runners
There will be copbots in neocron(but not coverig everything)
that will have doy on kos,but the same situation will be in doy.
CAnyon and TH wont stay the hq of TH and FA,the new Q will be inside Doy.THeir current hq will change into 'faction outposts'.We havent decided yet wether these outpost will be able to get captured by other factions.
The MB will have a ?safe zone? in te core area because the base it bigger then a normal faction HQ.
Prinzipiell i think that the removal of the safe zones will contribute a lot the the atmossphere of the game.COmbat is an element of the game and when it doesnt fit it will be taking care of.
You should make sure to activate the genreps in the faction hq so that you can travel in safety between certain zones(or you could just leave your sl in).This will make certain things possible for example diplomats.
Hey,we only build the world.. what you do in it is something we cant influence. But communication and organisation of 'Personenshutze' will be brought 'pfiffer' in game.
Im not sure about certain parts,but maybe others can correct/add.
ah ffs man...I saw this just recently again, but I couldn't tell ya where...I'll see what I can do though...but you gotta look at it in a realistic, logical manner...why would they take the time to run enough servers to essentially run 2 games...they'd have to atleast add another 5 dollars onto our monthly fees to support such a thing and bring in xtra people to keep things on both games updated and up and runningQuote:
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
could you point this out? i must have missed it :D quotage please
I'll post again when/if I can find that link
i believe he stated there wouldnt be a char whipe...Quote:
Originally posted by Dade Murphey
ah ffs man...I saw this just recently again, but I couldn't tell ya where...I'll see what I can do though...but you gotta look at it in a realistic, logical manner...why would they take the time to run enough servers to essentially run 2 games...they'd have to atleast add another 5 dollars onto our monthly fees to support such a thing and bring in xtra people to keep things on both games updated and up and running
I'll post again when/if I can find that link
now... you seem to be saying there will be new servers... wouldnt that mean new chars? you also seem to say that the old servers wont be staying up... isnt that a char whipe?
in DAoC (again :D) they didnt bring out new servers with the expansion. in PS they didnt bring out new servers with the expansion. i didnt play AO long enough to get the expansion... so i dont know about that tbh.
i think the best way of doing it wouldnt be new servers... not after claims of no char whipe by MJS.
just food for thought
Junkie
sorry for double post...
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Originally posted by nugz420: also have one question how long will the nc servers be up after the new nc-bdoy comes out will they go offline and become servers for bdoy or will bdoy be on seperate servers? *end of nugz420's question*
*start of MJS's responce*
This is something we will still need to decide upon. There are various internal suggestions which need to be discussed.
I don't understand you second question though.
Was originally posted on page 2 of this thread
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Originally posted by Dade Murphey
he's pretty much stated it is a required thing because someone asked how long he would leave the normal NC servers up and running
sorry i dont see how this "pretty much" says the old servers will go and new ones will come...Quote:
*start of MJS's responce*
This is something we will still need to decide upon. There are various internal suggestions which need to be discussed.
I don't understand you second question though.
looks more like hes dodging the question :p :lol:
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Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
i believe he stated there wouldnt be a char whipe...
now... you seem to be saying there will be new servers... wouldnt that mean new chars? you also seem to say that the old servers wont be staying up... isnt that a char whipe?
Oi vey man...you're a test on the nerves...simply if you don't wanna keep playing don't buy the xpansion...hahaQuote:
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
sorry i dont see how this "pretty much" says the old servers will go and new ones will come...
looks more like hes dodging the question :p :lol:
just because they go to having to have the xpansion doesn't not mean a character wipe...it will be a transistion...I never said anything about new servers...again...it will be a transistion...if you read what he says he's pretty much saying that they will be going over to required BDoY but they're not sure how long they'll be giving people to upgrade...I'd be willing to say a couple weeks to a month before it requires BDoY considering that when you buy the xpansion it's been said that it will also include basic NC...believe it or no and want to or no...I'm fairly certain you will be having to convert if you want to keep playing...though it kinda sounds like you don't want to
Quote:
Originally posted by Dade Murphey
you gotta look at it in a realistic, logical manner...why would they take the time to run enough servers to essentially run 2 games...
new servers...
and im sorry, im not tryin to annoy you, i just see MJS as being undecided / dodging the question. i have personally not heard and defenate word from a member of KK about requiring B:DoY
also... i cannot think of a single game (MMORPG or otherwise) that has insisted you get the expansion or not play. if you know of one then say and i will wtand corrected. im just trying to get a definate answer... and get you to quote one if you have seen one - but all i have seen is speculation.
dont take any of my posts the wrong way, i am just after the info. i dont want to get it. i am 99% sure i wont get it. this is not about me, if other want to get it more power to them. if i played the game as much as i used to im sure i wouldnt even need to think about it, i would get the expansion, so i know where you are coming from.
To be honset I really HATE the idea of FA and TG main HQs moving to DoY.
Canyons and TH are both great places which add atmosphere to the game, and work well with the back story for these factions. It would be great if the server pop increases to still have them both as HQs as they will also become populated urban centres...
Having faction offices in DoY like they have in NC atm for anti-city/neutral factions would be great though... But moving FA and TG headquarters there would not.
TGs are supposed to be rebels/terrorists, so it makes sence for them to have their own separate base... They are not supposed to be DoY stooges. Neither are FA - they are supposed to sit in TH and work for the improvement of the world through science, while being quite neutral to the general politics of NC.
I know what you're saying...most games don't *force* you to upgrade...but you pretty much get dicked if you don't...thru missing out on a lot of good things making each xpansion more and more interesting etc...the quote from MJS is rather ambiguous but I have a feeling that since it's pretty much near impossible to find NC these days and they're marketing it (NC/xpansion) as one thing that they will just make it BDoY servers...and you're not annoying me...it was just a joke :p with all the changes that BDoY is supposed to bring...short of a complete overhaul it kinda sounds...I think you should consider getting it...hell...if it only cost 10-20$ you really aren't out that much...and hey...you might have a lot of fun...hehe
Necrosadistic, as far as I'm aware, there's been no official announcements saying that all "anti-city" factions will move to inside of the DOY. It's more likely that the DOY starter appartments will actually be for the DOY faction(s).
Feel free to prove me wrong though, preferably with a link.
agreed. what about apt's etc... will kk be whiping them to change it to a "faction outpost"? what about clans? will they need to get a new clan key to get a new clan apt? there are lots of little problems with this... personally i say leave it. FA are supposed to be neutral... bettering science. TG are terrorists (or freedom fighters of course) and although they will ave a shakey alliance with DoY, the war could put DY in control of NC, and TG want the people in control of NC, not some big power.Quote:
Originally posted by Necrosadistic
To be honset I really HATE the idea of FA and TG main HQs moving to DoY.
Canyons and TH are both great places which add atmosphere to the game, and work well with the back story for these factions. It would be great if the server pop increases to still have them both as HQs as they will also become populated urban centres...
Having faction offices in DoY like they have in NC atm for anti-city/neutral factions would be great though... But moving FA and TG headquarters there would not.
TGs are supposed to be rebels/terrorists, so it makes sence for them to have their own separate base... They are not supposed to be DoY stooges. Neither are FA - they are supposed to sit in TH and work for the improvement of the world through science, while being quite neutral to the general politics of NC.
what about crahn? i heard somewhere that they would move to DoY. well that makes senc. they live in a city where they are enemies and (acording to neocronicle) are hunted down and persecuted... however the same thing with clan apts will be an issue. normal apts will be ok, as it is just a zone in the city and can keep apts.
check the attempt at translating... in this very thread. it was a post by MJS in the Ger forums... thats what the whole thread was about...Quote:
Originally posted by J. Folsom
Necrosadistic, as far as I'm aware, there's been no official announcements saying that all "anti-city" factions will move to inside of the DOY. It's more likely that the DOY starter appartments will actually be for the DOY faction(s).
Feel free to prove me wrong though, preferably with a link.
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attampted translation
CAnyon and TH wont stay the hq of TH and FA,the new Q will be inside Doy.THeir current hq will change into 'faction outposts'.We havent decided yet wether these outpost will be able to get captured by other factions.
i curently pay for:Quote:
I know what you're saying...most games don't *force* you to upgrade...but you pretty much get dicked if you don't...thru missing out on a lot of good things making each xpansion more and more interesting etc...the quote from MJS is rather ambiguous but I have a feeling that since it's pretty much near impossible to find NC these days and they're marketing it (NC/xpansion) as one thing that they will just make it BDoY servers...and you're not annoying me...it was just a joke with all the changes that BDoY is supposed to bring...short of a complete overhaul it kinda sounds...I think you should consider getting it...hell...if it only cost 10-20$ you really aren't out that much...and hey...you might have a lot of fun...hehe
DAoC
NC
AO
UO
EQ
SWG
i pay my own broardband subscription
i pay rent (half my wages gone on that alone)
i am only 18, i am not loaded here...
i also pay to go to an internet / LAN gaming centre (which is hosting SUKING) and i like to have some money to go out and drink etc...
i realise this would only be a one off payment, but its just another payment for a game that has no high level content... i no longer want to wander through caves. i no longer want to fight for OP's that give me no bonus (+50 hack? thats usefull... +50 hack when im in a zone that i already own the op for) i no longer want to stand the abuse "OMG! you hacked! you took no damage! you ran too fast! i wasnt ready! im reporting you! you only won becose of your PPU! your clan is carebear!".
there are manyu reasons i am not willing to pay out even more to play a game that at the moment i frankly dont want to play.
However this is not a dig at Neocron OR Reakktor. i love the game. i really do. i hope DoY does bring in loads of people, fix all the bugs and add loads of content / storyline... but im not expecting it.
as i said, if decent content is added, ill be coming back.
i await this DoY list as eagerly as the rest of you... but i dont have high hopes. i wouldnt pay for a game just because of an expansion. if i am bored now, there is little chance the expansion will bring me back. i have been here since beta 3, i have loved my time here. i may return if the announcement is great.
anyway... lets not get this closed as a leaving thread :p back on topic...
as i said a few posts ago... i have seen no 100% definate answer on this subject, and was curious if you had, or if you were just interpriting what you read
:edit sorry for double post ladies:
Just read through the German thingamabob (Not the translation, the thingamabob MJS posted in German) myself, sounds like it's the case.Quote:
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
check the attempt at translating... in this very thread. it was a post by MJS in the Ger forums... thats what the whole thread was about...
[snip]
I should probably have read it before posting, but I wouldn't be myself without occasional bits of stupidity.
Ah well, we'll (or at least I'll :p ) see where it goes.
if you've got good english and german skills... would you mind posting your translation of it please? :D
cos i can barely manage proper english... im an essex boy, we only kn ow bad english... german? thats like a whole other language! we can talk slowly and loudly at germans... its the British way! :lol:
I dont get one thing about BDoY.
We are supposed to info about its release this month right?
It would be safe to asume that BDoY will be out by Easter right?
Wouldnt it be necessary to BETA test a massive update like that?
There has been no info about requesting beta testers on the new expansion.
Now ive got two fears on this matter.
1st: DoY is released, but having only been beta tested internally by KK, it is loaded with bugs and glitches, a bad name is given to the game, and noone is gona buy it.
or
2nd:KK decides to beta test DoY. Betatesting such an expansion will require a quite large ammount of time. Thus DoY will be delayed even more.
Any thoughts?
Dec - early jan yeahQuote:
Originally posted by shodanjr_gr
I dont get one thing about BDoY.
We are supposed to info about its release this month right?
according to KK we are merely awaiting a publisher (and possibly a few tweaks) so could be soonerQuote:
It would be safe to asume that BDoY will be out by Easter right?
it would certainly be advisableQuote:
Wouldnt it be necessary to BETA test a massive update like that?
i should imagine it wouldnt be a pubic beta... prolly an invite only betaQuote:
There has been no info about requesting beta testers on the new expansion.
i think kk are hoping DoY will bring in players, remove bugs and add content. i get the feeling (from all the delays so far) that they are taking their time and trying to get it right here.Quote:
Now ive got two fears on this matter.
1st: DoY is released, but having only been beta tested internally by KK, it is loaded with bugs and glitches, a bad name is given to the game, and noone is gona buy it.
or
2nd:KK decides to beta test DoY. Betatesting such an expansion will require a quite large ammount of time. Thus DoY will be delayed even more.
Any thoughts?
to cut it short... NC loses far more people than it gains. DoY is the last ditch attempt to save NC. im sure they will deny it, i have heard kk claim the player base is increasing :rolleyes:...
i think its fairly obvious so many players have their hopes pinne on DoY that not only will they get less new players (if they rushed it) but current players would quit.
please for the love of god KK... stop promising it next month. give a realistic release date. give your self time... the loyal playerbase is pissed off with the lies and the deadline changes. honesty will get a better reaction then saying "almost done... next month" "almost done... next month" etc
from what they've always said is that DoY has been ready since about the time of retail's start...since it was supposed to be out shortly after the beginning of 2k3...but due to publishing problems, I think, that didn't happen...it's been set to go...just needing a new publisher...I'm sure they've changed a few things...but I think a lot of it has been internal beta testing...and thank god
Benjie's translation already covers the main points of what MJS posted, lemme check if he missed something though.Quote:
Originally posted by Jesterthegreat
if you've got good english and german skills... would you mind posting your translation of it please? :D
*Imagine a little while o' translating and comparing here*
Well, to add to what Benjie said...
It seems that the plans are also to make the only safezones in the game the faction HQs, each of which will also have it's own GenRep. This also counts for the Military Base at it's very center. It doesn't mention TG, TH or DOY in that part though.
Another change mentioned is the possibility to hire NPC bodyguards from the CityMercs, specifically meant for the support characters.
Benjie's got the rest translated.