Remove rare drops for le'd players

It is a risk / reward issue.

If you go to MC5 you should be prepared to be PK'ed.

There are no free tickets.

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

This community has a very win at all costs mentality and judging by the mess that has become Pepper Park fights these days it would only serve to encourage that.

At the moment I am enjoying the game how it is, there is a balance between LE'd and non-le'd players but I think something that extreme would tip the balance.

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Yup.

i'm fully prepared to get pk'ed in mc5 all the time. i constantly watch over my back and i know that if at least a semi descend pvp player is coming after me, i'm done for. i fully expect that to happen at one point. it's simply too easy in this game to get everything at very early levels and even solo. there's no need to join a clan short from wanting to participate in op fights.

i'm not suggesting raid like scenarios. this is not the game for that. i still think that mc5 should be solo-able, but at a cost. that cost should be driven by the fear of other players. if they ever fix the ai in this game to a point where mobs don't get stuck any more or stand and shoot at you where they can't do damage to you, it will be a lot harder for any non-droner to participate in pve. when that day finally comes other players should be able to rip droners a new one, if they are able to find them.

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Originally Posted by eNTi

i'm fully prepared to get pk'ed in mc5 all the time. i constantly watch over my back and i know that if at least a semi descend pvp player is coming after me, i'm done for. i fully expect that to happen at one point. it's simply too easy in this game to get everything at very early levels and even solo. there's no need to join a clan short from wanting to participate in op fights.

i'm not suggesting raid like scenarios. this is not the game for that. i still think that mc5 should be solo-able, but at a cost. that cost should be driven by the fear of other players. if they ever fix the ai in this game to a point where mobs don't get stuck any more or stand and shoot at you where they can't do damage to you, it will be a lot harder for any non-droner to participate in pve. when that day finally comes other players should be able to rip droners a new one, if they are able to find them.

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I think MC5 could easily be the testbed for an area that the LE is disabled automatically making everyone vulnerable in that area.
I already suggested an RP way to backup the reason behind it, plus MC5 is where they brainwashed you and implanted you with the LE chip in the first place.
They know if you ever come back it won't be to say 'hi'.

If it was possible to do it would be awesome. Now that they can turn on and off safe zones perhaps this is possible too?

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

It wouldnt lead to people thinking before opening fire Evs. That might apply to people levelling but tbh that wouldnt happen in nc. It would however lead to bigger teams of hackers/ppus etc (op fighting teams basically) going to levelling spots and clearing them out of the non-le'd players.

This community has a very win at all costs mentality and judging by the mess that has become Pepper Park fights these days it would only serve to encourage that.

At the moment I am enjoying the game how it is, there is a balance between LE'd and non-le'd players but I think something that extreme would tip the balance.

Mc5 is however a contentious issue.

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Fair point on the safe slot removal etc and I yield on that one, it would turn into scorched earth and a half.
I do think the rare drop idea has merit but only if the loot is increased overall for hunting otherwise hunting would just stop for a lot of folks.
Problem is though that if you stop rares unless none-LE, then the popular farming spots would just become pk camping grounds especially as folks farming turn up vs that area, fire res for fire mobs, you'd just get gank squads in pvp setup swarming through...

People going out to gank though was part of the gun in the old days, you could go out if you wanted to try and find a fight and you could need to defend yourself while hunting which makes it more fun (well in my opinion anyway). Right now the only real pvp is at PP1 or OPs as almost everybody out hunting has a le in so its become pointless to go hunting them.


Just think of it like this, somebody is hunting and a person comes out to kill em, perhaps the ganker dies then brings friends to help or comes back alone to try again, perhaps the hunter dies and calls for help so people turn up to kill the ganker who calls for help as well, a big battle ensues!. This is what should happen in NC, I would love to be able to go out into the world hunting but its pointless cos its hard to find people and anybody you find has a le in so why bother? everybody else has learnt that to so anybody who wants to pvp just goes to PP1.

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Originally Posted by evs

Fair point on the safe slot removal etc and I yield on that one, it would turn into scorched earth and a half.
I do think the rare drop idea has merit but only if the loot is increased overall for hunting otherwise hunting would just stop for a lot of folks.
Problem is though that if you stop rares unless none-LE, then the popular farming spots would just become pk camping grounds especially as folks farming turn up vs that area, fire res for fire mobs, you'd just get gank squads in pvp setup swarming through...

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Yeah but if mobs were more spread through the world with more "popular" farming spots it would encourage people to form into clans and protect their farmers with their pvpers I guess. Well it could do that.

Or it could lead to a massive whine fest that its all too hard.

I think i can see which way it would go though. :)

Since LEs are implanted at MC5, and MC5 chips are made by killing the base commander, make having both in your head incompatible too?

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Originally Posted by RogerRamjet

Since LEs are implanted at MC5, and MC5 chips are made by killing the base commander, make having both in your head incompatible too?

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hmm... simple but elegant suggestion actually. might be the best idea as of yet.

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Originally Posted by RogerRamjet

Since LEs are implanted at MC5, and MC5 chips are made by killing the base commander, make having both in your head incompatible too?

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I do not support this idea. The LE should not prevent the players from using items.

For example, if the LE is deactivated in MC5 the access to the sector is not removed from the player.

Only the risk / reward setting is being adjusted: If a player enter MC5 he must be prepared to fight over the loot there or to be PK'ed.

There should not be a free ticket to farm the MC5.

If that is technically possible Ivan yeah I agree but rogers idea is pretty simple and effective. It wouldn't stop le'd farmers necessarily but it would certainly appease the situation somewhat and it does fit quite well into the background story.

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Originally Posted by eNTi

...nothing more obnoxious than le'd players bumping into you all the time while you are being attacked by the commander. also mc5 is easy mode for droners, who are never in peril for a second.

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What the hell do you people actually want? Screw LE people to the point where it is removed completely? Because it sure looks that way to me. I think the discussion lost its focus of the original problem which eNTi described as LE droners farming MC5 without any risk.

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Originally Posted by RogerRamjet

Since LEs are implanted at MC5, and MC5 chips are made by killing the base commander, make having both in your head incompatible too?

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Not a big fan of the idea, since this will not increase the risk of LE droners farming MC5. Inseatd it will screw all LE people everywhere.

Just turn off LE in the MC5 zone, problem solved.

Why will it screw LE people? MC5s are sometimes not even a necessity for pvp, never mind farming. If they can't get techs anyway, players would pull LEs, and be able to then use the MC5 techs they farm if this was implemented. Like Ivan said, if they want to hunt in MC5 they run the risk, why shouldn't it extend to using the chips?

With mine and Entis suggestions (which are simple) you'd solve a lot of the issues addressed in this thread.

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Originally Posted by eNTi

mc5 is a very contested area and there's nothing more obnoxious than le'd players bumping into you all the time while you are being attacked by the commander. also mc5 is easy mode for droners, who are never in peril for a second. they can out damage any other non-droner and can basically block mc5 from you. the only thing you can do is draw the officers' attention to you, lure them to the droner and zone.

this problem is ofc not really that relevant for other farming grounds, because there's usually enough room for everyone and only sometimes some fuck twat will block you from looting with his rhino.

i do understand that people (me too) want to farm in peace and not take part in pvp, but if that means you can block the highest level farming ground from others with basically no repercussions, then a fix is direly needed.

i was always in favor of this change and i find that it would give the game some rather welcome twist. ofc until this change is implemented, i will make my droner ready for mc5 asap.

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Baby Jesus Enti made sense...wow. I am all for LE players being able to farm and have fun. I am NOT for allowing them access to DoY tunnels, MC5, and maybe even OP zones or Hacknet. Keep the best up for competition and let the crowd have access to lesser items.

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Originally Posted by Arista Barret

Baby Jesus Enti made sense...wow. I am all for LE players being able to farm and have fun. I am NOT for allowing them access to DoY tunnels, MC5, and maybe even OP zones or Hacknet. Keep the best up for competition and let the crowd have access to lesser items.

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This is how I see it too.

DOY tunnels are crowded 24/7 with farming LEd teams :rolleyes:

Am I the only one around here who thinks that LEd droners are the problem not LEd ppl in general?

how many active players do we have? ~300 altogether? do you want to reduce the player base so badly? less ppl are allowed to farm, less items for sale, extended waiting periods to get certain items. maybe it works and ppl pull the LE but I would not count on it.

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Originally Posted by The Red Guy

DOY tunnels are crowded 24/7 with farming LEd teams :rolleyes:

Am I the only one around here who thinks that LEd droners are the problem not LEd ppl in general?

how many active players do we have? ~300 altogether? do you want to reduce the player base so badly? less ppl are allowed to farm, less items for sale, extended waiting periods to get certain items. maybe it works and ppl pull the LE but I would not count on it.

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From Zoltans post about most people not being hardcore enough from NC1, I get the impression he is striving to get the game feeling something like it was back then. If he does, and the game is advertised to old players, you'll have a lot more than 300.

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Originally Posted by RogerRamjet

From Zoltans post about most people not being hardcore enough from NC1, I get the impression he is striving to get the game feeling something like it was back then. If he does, and the game is advertised to old players, you'll have a lot more than 300.

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If we can get old players back, good. However why are we chasing old players to come back, when they have probably moved on in some way? (Whether it's life, gaming etc)

Why are we not finding ways to appeal to new players?

Anyway to the topic. I can see the rare market getting very screwed if you remove all rare drops for LE players. There will be less players collecting and trading rares.

As for MC5 are these parts hard enough to get hold of as it is?

P.S. For @The Red Guy and anyone else, server pops and stats are at http://stats.techhaven.org/graphs

Mc5s are a nightmare to got due to all of the le'd droners atm. yes brammers that is a problem.

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

Mc5s are a nightmare to got due to all of the le'd droners atm. yes brammers that is a problem.

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You can easily outdamage them no?

GAME******/gām/Noun - A form of play or sport, esp. a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.

Lets return to the basics...apparently something was lost in the past.
This is the definition of the word GAME. Stop pretending that you can have a successful game by redefining it.

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Originally Posted by J@ck on Cr@ck

You can easily outdamage them no?

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droner can just pull all the guards over and drop the drone - hence why LE can be a menace

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Originally Posted by J@ck on Cr@ck

You can easily outdamage them no?

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Previous comment was for Brammers. When did the competition become about competing for dps with players who need dps to the face? No offense. The le guy should be competing by the same rules as everyone else especially considering the best drops and items in game. They also turn the competion into who can be the biggest asshole.

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Originally Posted by Load_HeavyLoad

droner can just pull all the guards over and drop the drone - hence why LE can be a menace

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A none LE droner can do the exact same thing, as can any other class (its not as easy as with drone I know). A tank in an observer did this to my droner.
Dont get me wrong I agree with you, but its not only a LE/Droner problem.

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Originally Posted by Arista Barret

Previous comment was for Brammers. When did the competition become about competing for dps with players who need dps to the face? No offense. The le guy should be competing by the same rules as everyone else especially considering the best drops and items in game.

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Maybe you should have read my previous posts? Im for disabling LE in MC5. My point was simply that you can easily outdamage droners.

This tread is really stupid.
Did it's me or a MC5 coast 10 millions NC (half of the money cap if I remember). If you want less rare parts, less MC5, less stuff for every one this might be a good idea. The fact is simple how did you farm rare parts, MC5, wok disk alone... But with drones of course.
A friend of my try to wok his PE without LE, he made it from 6AM to 9AM because of PK (and tell me it was hell). It's god send that player are able to farm with LE, without this a MC5 would be 40 millions NC. This because there is LE player farming MC5 that there is some rulles in MC5, other wise that would be paradise for PK.
One more little thing if you start neocron with your rulles farming would be impossible for new players. Personnaly I regularly go to doy tunel and I never see anyone (it's a hight lvl zone) so LE player every where in hight lvl zone. Only MC5 seem to be "a problem" but let tell you that a tank and a PPU allways take the loot when you are droner.

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

Mc5s are a nightmare to got due to all of the le'd droners atm. yes brammers that is a problem.

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So why can't you outdamage a LE droner, considering they have one less brain slot for a implant to boost damage. What's wrong with you taking your own LE or non-LE droner there? Or more than one players, aka a team or members of your clan?

Or is it that you don't want LE players? (Which I think is more the truth of the matter)

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Originally Posted by Load_HeavyLoad

droner can just pull all the guards over and drop the drone - hence why LE can be a menace

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Yes droners can pull the guards and drop the drone. You don't need an LE to do that.

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Originally Posted by Khorwin

This tread is really stupid.
Did it's me or a MC5 coast 10 millions NC (half of the money cap if I remember). If you want less rare parts, less MC5, less stuff for every one this might be a good idea. The fact is simple how did you farm rare parts, MC5, wok disk alone... But with drones of course.
A friend of my try to wok his PE without LE, he made it from 6AM to 9AM because of PK (and tell me it was hell). It's god send that player are able to farm with LE, without this a MC5 would be 40 millions NC. This because there is LE player farming MC5 that there is some rulles in MC5, other wise that would be paradise for PK.
One more little thing if you start neocron with your rulles farming would be impossible for new players. Personnaly I regularly go to doy tunel and I never see anyone (it's a hight lvl zone) so LE player every where in hight lvl zone. Only MC5 seem to be "a problem" but let tell you that a tank and a PPU allways take the loot when you are droner.

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mc5 chips are so expensive because they are hard to come by. most people that farm there belong to a clan more or less, so there's not many that actually SELL them. why would you sell an mc5? for money??? money is worth NOTHING in nc. you can trade parts, but again, only for other equally valuable parts.

also, mc5 is NOT FOR NEW PLAYERS. it's end game content. it's also a problem because there's ONE MOB that drops the part. there's multiple mobs for all the other drops in the game.

the only thing you can do against a coordinate group of le'd players that farm mc5 is GRIEF them. this is beyond stupid! you shouldn't have to resort to griefing in a game because there's nothing else you can do! the le is there to protect weak/leveling players from being ganked all the time. it's certainly not made so that you can hog end game farming areas for hours on end, while the rest of the server is forming a line.

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Originally Posted by eNTi

the only thing you can do against a coordinate group of le'd players that farm mc5 is GRIEF them.

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This is true for any group that farms MC5 regardless of LE or no LE. The difference being the way of killing them.

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Originally Posted by eNTi

it's certainly not made so that you can hog end game farming areas for hours on end, while the rest of the server is forming a line.

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There will always be a line regardless of LE or no LE, since there is only one base commander. Most people will fight over looting him , while a minority will share and cooperate.