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21-02-13, 01:18
Arista Barret

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Originally Posted by Shirlias

the real problem is that everybody can have a LE char for farming.

1) LE chars shouldn't be able to loot any rare item, which include
-Rare parts ( wanna farm rares? go with your not LE char, and risk to get any )
-Woc Disks ( same as before )
-Ultima and Eyes ( same as before ).
-Mc5 (same as before )

2) Stats cap ( reaching /50 should block your exp till LE is put out )
-NB: also prevent you from loming, and cheating trying to cap a specific stat

3) Safe Zones would be a problem ( harder to set up ), and with a drop table restriction and a stats cap, should not be needed.

I didn't see so many LE while both on uranus and terra.
And this is a fuckin MMOFPS.

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Originally Posted by Shirlias

LE was born to prevent pking on low lvl, and still that's what's worth for.
Ready to join the real neocron? Remove LE and continue your character.

You could have a point if
-Entire account with or without LE
-No multiple accounts permitted

But that's not our situation.

Why a low lvl should not be able to see the entire world and die by his own while trying to discovery ( or kill ) anything?
It brings no problems ( cause XP cap and Impossibility to get drops ).

LE actually is a problem ( also for finding a party, cause everybody has LE on ), but removing zones from LE chars is not the answer.

i'm pretty sure that with a stat cap and no chance to get rares we'll be back to Neocron immediatly.

I think more needs to be said about this guys ideas
21-02-13, 01:34
Shirlias

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Originally Posted by Haggis.at

I do - got a problem with that? :wtf:

Not at all.
And as u see you're the only one who said "i like nc pve as endgame".

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Originally Posted by Arista Barret

I would like to hear more from this guy.

Nothing more.
Is just a bit different from the nc i played years ago.
21-02-13, 01:47
Dope

With regard to the original post, I have often wondered about the changes to zone safety since returning to the City.

When I began playing long ago, runners were rewarded for killing enemies in Pepper Park, but couldn't even draw a weapon in parts of plaza and VR. The LE didn't work in the OZ or the wasteland, and there were no penalties in those "completely wild" areas for killing enemies. I hovered at the Big Door in trepidation for a few minutes before venturing out to Jeriko the first time, as I recall. Knowing that I was about to cross into the wild wastes.

That kinda seems lost to us in the current state of affairs. Seems silly to worry about PvP in VR, and silly not to in Pepper Park, what gives?
21-02-13, 01:55
Torg

i wonder how long this complaing about the LE will continue.
21-02-13, 02:25
gostly

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Originally Posted by Dope

With regard to the original post, I have often wondered about the changes to zone safety since returning to the City.

When I began playing long ago, runners were rewarded for killing enemies in Pepper Park, but couldn't even draw a weapon in parts of plaza and VR. The LE didn't work in the OZ or the wasteland, and there were no penalties in those "completely wild" areas for killing enemies. I hovered at the Big Door in trepidation for a few minutes before venturing out to Jeriko the first time, as I recall. Knowing that I was about to cross into the wild wastes.

That kinda seems lost to us in the current state of affairs. Seems silly to worry about PvP in VR, and silly not to in Pepper Park, what gives?

Feel the same way man. It's like DoY came along, they wanted to mix things up so they changed the zones and moved copbots around but no one ever thought to undo the changes when they realized that only a small amount of players were happy with DoY.

I'd love to see zones reverted to the way things were in NC1. Plaza/VR safezones, no copbots in PP, faction HQs not being safezones. But I don't know, it's probably just wishful thinking.

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Originally Posted by Torg

i wonder how long this complaing about the LE will continue.

For as long as the LE splits the community the way it does. Don't talk about different playstyles as the reason everyone keeps the LE in either. They're not really given a choice, there are too many reasons to keep it in and not take it out. Back in NC1 when everyone removed their LE upon creating their character(or shortly after) clans were created for people who didn't really want to pvp. They were tradeskillers and if they wanted an OP they would form alliances with other clans(that did like to pvp) or pay a clan to help them take OPs. This type of playstyle I would love to see come back but instead everyone has their LE in sitting around P1 treating the game like a chatroom.
21-02-13, 08:01
Dope

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Originally Posted by Torg

i wonder how long this complaing about the LE will continue.

Honestly, this comment is trollbait just as much as it would be if I threw around "carebear" to mean those of you that prefer unobstructed PvE (search my posts, not something I have often done.)

And the answer is "as long as it is a divisive and controversial mechanic." Your stance is "It works great for me! Don't change it!" and that has been made clear. But the LE does not work as it was designed, and does not work well for the entire population, thus it is a regular topic. Until someone in development comes along and says "Hey guise, shut up about LE'z cause we're not ever fixing them!" it's going to be a topic.

"Works for me!" isn't helpful in a quest for harmony. So, since your view that the LE is perfect as it stands has been stated, it's cool, we know how you feel. Slaggin on me for saying "Things used to be like this, now they are like that, why?" is pretty lame. Try an answer to the question that relates to game mechanics and intended play rather than "'Cause I like it that way." and we'll have a more productive discourse. K?
21-02-13, 08:47
Torg

arguments, at least.

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Originally Posted by gostly

For as long as the LE splits the community the way it does.

you mean, like hundreds of players getting along pretty well with the current system vs 5 to 10 guys, who want to change it to their own likes? i can live with that.

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Originally Posted by gostly

Don't talk about different playstyles as the reason everyone keeps the LE in either. They're not really given a choice, there are too many reasons to keep it in and not take it out. Back in NC1 when everyone removed their LE upon creating their character(or shortly after) clans were created for people who didn't really want to pvp. They were tradeskillers and if they wanted an OP they would form alliances with other clans(that did like to pvp) or pay a clan to help them take OPs. This type of playstyle I would love to see come back but instead everyone has their LE in sitting around P1 treating the game like a chatroom.

i take it as a fact that NC needs measures to deal with the question of unconsented PvP as much as any other MMORPG. i'm not perfectly happy with the current LE system, but i'm also somewhat sure you wouldnt like my ideas either. the situation of NC 2.2 is pretty much different from NC 1.0, so i'm asking you for not getting too nostalgic about that. we cant simply pretend to be back in the days. oh, speaking of which - i remember sitting around UN-LE'd in pepper park, 'treating the game like a chatroom', because there was nearly no context-free PvP going on that time.

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Originally Posted by Dope

Honestly, this comment is trollbait just as much as it would be if I threw around "carebear" to mean those of you that prefer unobstructed PvE (search my posts, not something I have often done.)

let me answer you by replacing one word of your sentence.

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Originally Posted by Not Dope

Honestly, this comment is trollbait just as much as it would be if I threw around "carebear" to mean those of you that prefer unobstructed PvP...

see? some people want as much PvP as they can get, and some don't. this is in fact a matter of different playing styles. the LE is one possible measure to separate the PvP-crowd from the Non-PvP-crowd. there are other rule sets implemented to other games, and we all can think of even more exotic ways to deal with that question. as stated numerous times before, i'd prefer a totally different setup, without any LE at all. but simply attempting to make the LE less attractive and thus force people to get rid of it will fail. at least as long as we dont come up with a better system to regulate PvP.
21-02-13, 09:12
Dope

I think you misunderstand me. It isn't about unrestricted PvP, as I have proposed restrictions to PvP. It's about the idea of "opting out" of PvP entirely. Is that a facet of this game? It wasn't when I began playing, or rather those that did not PvP stayed in the Pro-City protected areas and didn't go outside of them. That was simply the game as was developed. Hence, the "non-PvP gameplay" was that of a tradeskiller who stayed in the safe zones and made their money by doing non-PvP things in non-PvP areas.

I don't want "as much PvP as I can get" at all. I am, in fact, a little irritable when enemies come and frag me when all I want is a foot implant in Plaza, but that's not a good and compelling reason to turn NC into a typical western MMO simply because of genre expectation. NC launched before those MMO's that set your genre expectations, and its singular vision is part of what set it apart in my opinion.

What I do want is a way to bully my enemies off of my block (since I live in the "PvP enabled, according to player create" Pepper Park), or start a fight with them, because they are my enemy. What I don't like is having a cuppa with my mortal foe because "Hey, that's my play style, fucker." That's not the way this game was designed, and if it is the current dev target, that should be stated so that those of us that are interested in something that isn't WoW can move on and find something more suited.

Regulating PvP is precisely what has been suggested by "You may PvP here and here, but not there." and "Tradeskillers shouldn't go to primarily PvP spots." What more can we do? /duel before fighting? Not kill folks that say "Wait, I don't wanna die right now" ? Really?
21-02-13, 10:24
Jodo

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Originally Posted by Shirlias

Not at all.
And as u see you're the only one who said "i like nc pve as endgame".

I didn't realise we needed to stand up and be counted. The PvE in this game is miles better than most, if not all, other MMO PvE. You know the ones, "Target-lock, press buttons 1 - 0, repeat". I very much enjoy the PvE in NC and have been playing the game just for that privilege for several years now (on and off). My RL close friends and family also play the game for the same reason.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don'. Why do you think there are so many capped LE players around?
21-02-13, 10:41
Shirlias

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Originally Posted by Jodo

I didn't realise we needed to stand up and be counted. The PvE in this game is miles better than most, if not all, other MMO PvE. You know the ones, "Target-lock, press buttons 1 - 0, repeat". I very much enjoy the PvE in NC and have been playing the game just for that privilege for several years now (on and off). My RL close friends and family also play the game for the same reason.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don'. Why do you think there are so many capped LE players around?

i didn't say this.
I contested a "if u let LE pop out u will lose 30%-50% nc population".

PVE isn't better than others MMO ( u didn't play any other mmo i suppose ), cause is only long range shots, using healing tools and scenario to fuck up mobs with a ridicolous AI. Also be lame with barrel or aoe weapon ( first monks and droners, then others ), shoting to a place and hitting all area without be seeing. This is lame, not skilled nor ok ( also with the highest resistances in the world, think about a tank, without shields now you are nothing, so let all snipe all around ).

Also talking about "target" then "press left click"... dude, this is the actual pve on nc. On others mmo u have to use multiple skills. This is a MMOFPS and u have to shot, so only aim ( not skill, against mobs ) and click.

Think you are plaiyng a different game from mine. Or at least you enjoy a bad ai ( AI is ok cause no needed in a MMOFPS based on op fights and map control ) and farming of rares... and trust me, this is ok. It's relaxing and cause bugs could be awesome as fight, sometimes :p

Also, what about world pvp if any1 goes rares, mc5, doy, caves and others with his LE char and goes with alt only at op fights when needed or viarosso/pepper/randomcityzone for skirmish? What about enemy factions? and alliances? I really think that die and also drop is a part of the game and i can accept that some1 like to dress up his chars, have 10 accounts and lvling every kind of spec to have a complete army, with LE on.

But it's useless and don't help in terms of life on a MMOFPS game like nc.
21-02-13, 11:00
Jodo

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Originally Posted by Shirlias

Not at all.
And as u see you're the only one who said "i like nc pve as endgame".

[QUOTE=Shirlias;2203717]i didn't say this./QUOTE]

You did, it's your quote. ??

Anyway, I feel PvP to be a complete waste of time and get no fun from it whatsoever. However, I know others love to PvP so I don't want to change the game so dramatically that it negatively affects their experience. I don't ask for most zones to be safezones nor do I try to block game content from PvP'rs. Kindly show the same respect and understanding and leave the PvR'rs to our game.
The only issue I see with LE players is when they park on top of someones kill (this can work both ways) and there have been numerous valid suggestions to fix this.
21-02-13, 11:10
Shirlias

Check the beginning of the conversation instead waste my time.
There's a reply follow one of mine that say "without LE nc gonna lose 30%-50% of his population".

Btw...
...let me understand, you join a MMOFPS based as i said on Op fights/Map conquest/trading between factions and pretent to play with no pvp? As forever passive spectator with total immunity from NC and his Environment? And pretend to not lose privileges nor to be an issue in the Game System?

Really, it can't be commented.
21-02-13, 11:31
phunqe

If you ask me, the idea behind the LE is awesome. It promises to cater a broad spectrum of players, offering a midway between a 100% free for all and a heavily restricted environment (e.g. World of Warcraft).

Removing the LE completely is not a solution and I think most actually knows this, even if it's easier to just flex the muscles and exclaim remove the LE. The current population balance depends on it and will continue to do so if/when it grows.

With this said, I do believe that some changes should be considered. I'll give an example of what I think to be a valid and invalid argument.

Valid: Areas dropping something unique, like Ceres labs and MC5. You cannot fight for your right to be in these areas and you cannot go elsewhere either to get what you want. Resorting to train mob tactics onto players isn't really the way to go either. Areas providing something unique should be open to all to fight for.

Invalid: It is unfair that random player X hunts rares all day without the risk of getting killed by players. This to me is invalid, because there is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing the same and hunt rares as well since there are plenty of spots and opportunities to do so. If you by principle won't, then that it your privilege but also your problem.

If a proper survey would be conducted we would probably be surprised by the amount of players that enjoy the LE as an integral part of their game play and that they have no intention of taking it out. These players stand for a significant number on the server, but also a dynamic environment which you would loose if they were not present.

Personally I have no issue with pure trade skill clans having for example LEd alts to set them selves up. A lot don't even have a clan. While I can agree that I think this is somewhat boring, it's their choice. I can't really imagine NC consisting exclusively of PvP characters. First of all there are enough egos to go around several times and secondly trading would become more restricted/private. The buzz in p1 for example would probably be gone.

Just ranting here what's on my mind really... As I said, there are cases that need to get attention, but do remember the unique balance of characters the LE brings, so don't call for it to be removed or restricted to such a point where you cannot "make a living with it" so to speak.

For me, the main problem is being able to contest for unique areas and locations. LEd players should still be allowed here, but the LE should turn itself off when in those areas.
21-02-13, 13:28
pottburter

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Originally Posted by phunqe

If a proper survey would be conducted we would probably be surprised by the amount of players that enjoy the LE as an integral part of their game play and that they have no intention of taking it out.

And if asked why so, I bet most would say because they don't like to constantly being shot in the back while fighting a mob and already being low on health.
I'm not saying we need a challenging system or the like, but most of the "open world PVP" nowadays consist of being assaulted while hunting/leveling by someone already up to spec.
21-02-13, 13:47
gostly

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Originally Posted by phunqe

If a proper survey would be conducted we would probably be surprised by the amount of players that enjoy the LE as an integral part of their game play and that they have no intention of taking it out. These players stand for a significant number on the server, but also a dynamic environment which you would loose if they were not present.

This would have to be a survey that popped up in-game since most people don't bother with posting on the forums. I think then you might be surprised by how many players see a problem with the LE. If it was only on the forums I would not be surprised to see how many players enjoy having the LE imp in as a permanent part of their gameplay.

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Originally Posted by phunqe

For me, the main problem is being able to contest for unique areas and locations. LEd players should still be allowed here, but the LE should turn itself off when in those areas.

100% Agree with you on this point. Most of the unique areas were always intended to be contended for with other players and never intended to be "peaceful" zones by any means.
21-02-13, 15:53
phunqe

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Originally Posted by gostly

I think then you might be surprised by how many players see a problem with the LE.

I have no doubt a lot of people have problems with it. What I am hoping for is that we will find a solution which doesn't answer the cries for a complete removal and/or game altering changes, but that attacks the core problems. At least to start with, obviously if more changes are needed, then they are needed, but please do not just change the LE completely in one broad swoop.

It's comes easy, I know. Being in that instance, the LEd person blocking the spawn, to just shout out that the LE should be removed already.
21-02-13, 16:20
gostly

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Originally Posted by phunqe

I have no doubt a lot of people have problems with it. What I am hoping for is that we will find a solution which doesn't answer the cries for a complete removal and/or game altering changes, but that attacks the core problems. At least to start with, obviously if more changes are needed, then they are needed, but please do not just change the LE completely in one broad swoop.

It's comes easy, I know. Being in that instance, the LEd person blocking the spawn, to just shout out that the LE should be removed already.

I can't speak for everyone but I don't think most of us want the LE removed from the game since it's not a very viable solution. However certain restrictions should be enforced upon LE users, people hear this and immediately think the worst though. Changes need to happen with the LE, whether in stages or one broad swoop. There are some people who keep their LE in simply because they have no reason to remove it. It's more beneficial to keep it in so that they can go to places like the chaos caves and actually get heals from a PPU since the majority of people leveling keep their LE in.

Now this is just my opinion but those same people are missing out on the best pvp. PvP against people around your level is a lot of fun(currently this doesn't really exists since so many keep their LE's in, so the only people to fight against would be higher levels). This community has become fragile and catered to because of MMO's that came out after neocron with solo-friendly content but it shouldn't be that way. Neocron has never been a run-of-the-mill type of game, it has always stood out as something different and should always strive to be different. People come to neocron to get away from the ordinary MMO's of today. That's the reason I came back when I heard a volunteer dev team took over.

We all love this game in different ways and want to see it become better now that a dev team that actually cares about the game is working on it. Bottom line is KK did a lot of things wrong and the current devs have a lot of work to do to fix what KK messed up so badly. The changes that I've seen so far are what keeps me hopeful they will try to bring back the glory of neocron.
21-02-13, 16:39
Jodo

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Originally Posted by Shirlias

Check the beginning of the conversation instead waste my time.
There's a reply follow one of mine that say "without LE nc gonna lose 30%-50% of his population".

Btw...
...let me understand, you join a MMOFPS based as i said on Op fights/Map conquest/trading between factions and pretent to play with no pvp? As forever passive spectator with total immunity from NC and his Environment? And pretend to not lose privileges nor to be an issue in the Game System?

Really, it can't be commented.

If it was just based on OP fights etc then they would automatically enforce LE removal after xx level. They don't and never have, so what does that tell you about what the game was originally based around?
Incidentally, when I first played this game way back in NC 1, I removed the LE as soon as I got in game, bypassed any noob MC5 involvement and and got stuck in. Just about everyone did the same back then, hundreds of runners all without LE trying to level and play the game. There were actually clans set up with the, almost, sole purpose of ganking anyone of any level regardless of their gameplay activity. Being a noob in the aggie cellars getting attacked by high level runners most days of the week was not fun. When NC 2 came around it got worse, less safezones etc. A lot of people, including myself fled the game. Sometime later I came back with all my friends who had left and a couple of new ones. We all started from scratch with LE's and have enjoyed the game much more because of it.

The only effects I have n the NC environment is there is one less cannon fodder running around and I provide services to other runners when they need FSM or a tradeskiller (regardless of their LE disposition).
21-02-13, 17:24
Dope

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Originally Posted by Jodo

If it was just based on OP fights etc then they would automatically enforce LE removal after xx level. They don't and never have, so what does that tell you about what the game was originally based around?

No, really, they did.

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what does that say about what the game was originally based around?

Also, there was no MC5, that is also an NC2 addition.
21-02-13, 18:36
Kame

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Originally Posted by Torg

you mean, like hundreds of players getting along pretty well with the current system vs 5 to 10 guys, who want to change it to their own likes? i can live with that.

My clan alone, RSC, has more than 200 runners, so roughly 50 accounts, owned by roughly 30 players. All of these players agrees that some change with LE is wanted.

Half of the posters here have nothing to do with my clan, and so far only
Jodo and Torg seems to vehemently disagree. We can estimate a good 10 posters/players unrelated to RSC, at bare minimum. So this summary head count is about 40.

Lets not forget half the population of Titan isnt on the forums, and with 40% as peak population out of which 25% are secondary accounts, 40 players is about 12% of a total of 300 players.

And I am not counting German forums and other PVP clans. I would be interested to see the results of a poll held on the launcher page as to hoe many players wish to see LE rules changes.
21-02-13, 19:12
Jodo

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Originally Posted by Dope

No, really, they did.

Also, there was no MC5, that is also an NC2 addition.

At what point was there automatic removal? NC 1 beta?

Noob MC5 was in NC 1.
21-02-13, 19:17
Jodo

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Originally Posted by Kame

Half of the posters here have nothing to do with my clan, and so far only
Jodo and Torg seems to vehemently disagree. We can estimate a good 10 posters/players unrelated to RSC, at bare minimum. So this summary head count is about 40.

Lets not forget half the population of Titan isnt on the forums, and with 40% as peak population out of which 25% are secondary accounts, 40 players is about 12% of a total of 300 players.

Lets not forget that (as a lot of people keep whining about) a great deal of the population are actually LE'd. As for just Torg and myself, you've clearly missed several threads of very similar discussion (why has this been allowed btw mods?) over the last week with a great deal of interaction and opinions from both sides.
21-02-13, 19:54
Kame

Well my summary headcount only focussed the english part of the community, even though my clan has german players.

If we estimate the same number, 40, for the German community, we're looking at 80 out of 300, which is 24% or roughly 1/4 players of the player base.

My estimate is rough, and on the realisticly harsher side. I think on the real 1/3 player would like to see changes. (not removal)
21-02-13, 20:03
William Antrim

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Originally Posted by Dope

No, really, they did.

Also, there was no MC5, that is also an NC2 addition.

Huh? What the fuck?

There has never been forced LE removal that I know of and I started in Dec 02. We used to have LE XP penalties but these were removed around the middle of 2003. Also in late 2003/2004 MC5 was added.

You can search the thread or the old patch notes. It said a mysterious installation has appeared in the wastes. On uranus at least nearly every english speaking runner on the server banded together to go check it out. I didnt bother as my toons were still too new and I wanted to crack on with levelling in the newly opened chaos caves.
21-02-13, 20:04
Dope

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Originally Posted by Jodo

At what point was there automatic removal? NC 1 beta?

Noob MC5 was in NC 1.

I would have to ask a mod to see if they could find out when my account was created the first time (if they even have that data) but I'd estimate it was a month or so before my forum account, and if I recall correctly it was week one of North American release (they called me at something like 3 am to verify my CC!) So, it was retail, but early retail when I made my first char. LE's automatically "fell out" when you dinged L10 or so. They also didn't work in various areas of the world. (There's that audio bit that says as much about "your safety is only guaranteed within the city limits." that you'll hear in the city now and then.)

MC5 came way later, with the addition of the epics bit by bit. When I started there was no tutorial and you started out in your apartment, ready to rock. Also, if you chose TG, FA, BD or TS there was this dialog that popped up that said "Hey, fair warning, but you've chosen a faction that lives in a PvP enabled space, don't die too much, K?" and allowed you to back up and choose a different faction.
21-02-13, 20:05
DR REED

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Originally Posted by Kame

My clan alone, RSC, has more than 200 runners, so roughly 50 accounts, owned by roughly 30 players. All of these players agrees that some change with LE is wanted.

Half of the posters here have nothing to do with my clan, and so far only
Jodo and Torg seems to vehemently disagree. We can estimate a good 10 posters/players unrelated to RSC, at bare minimum. So this summary head count is about 40.

Lets not forget half the population of Titan isnt on the forums, and with 40% as peak population out of which 25% are secondary accounts, 40 players is about 12% of a total of 300 players.

And I am not counting German forums and other PVP clans. I would be interested to see the results of a poll held on the launcher page as to hoe many players wish to see LE rules changes.

Nice mathethematics you are doing here :p

If the pvp content is the base for success why did Neptune failed so miserably ?

I believe that two things are really the base for success of the game:

1) a good balanced mixture of pvp and non-pvp content in this very competitive game

2) a maximum of choices the player could do to choose how he wants to play = maxim�m number of people which are happy with it

I can easily accept that you and who knows how much dozens of your mates are unhappy with the LE playstile (i guess your mates are complete unLE'd ?). But as long as you cannot make it clear to me WHY i should play without LE and take these wonderful pvp , so long i cannot see why i have to.

Fact is that - atmospherical issues excepted - LE playstile does not affect the pvp and vice versa (exploits excepted).

You want make pvp ? Feel free to do so !

You do not want pvp ? ok, hold your LE.

What the hell is your problem ? Not enough to shoot at ? :p

Reed
21-02-13, 20:15
William Antrim

If you still cant understand it Dr reed youre either blind to it completely or you just chose to ignore the valid and thoughtful posts made by those with a different opinion to your own.

Everyone who doesn't like the LE (pretty much) has this opinion due to the behaviour of certain players in the game WHILST wearing the LE.

They can go anywhere they want, they can shoot anything they want, they can spawn-block and all the other wonderful things and they can do it all without any consequence for their actions.

I cannot understand how you cannot get this or even mildly accept that it happens, plenty.

You have once again fallen back on these old, tired beat up statements that various members of this forum have bandied around since Titan started up. There really is nothing new in your last 5 posts at least on the subject.

People need to be held accountable for their actions and if that is at gun point then so be it.
21-02-13, 20:28
DR REED

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

If you still cant understand it Dr reed youre either blind to it completely or you just chose to ignore the valid and thoughtful posts made by those with a different opinion to your own.

Everyone who doesn't like the LE (pretty much) has this opinion due to the behaviour of certain players in the game WHILST wearing the LE.

They can go anywhere they want, they can shoot anything they want, they can spawn-block and all the other wonderful things and they can do it all without any consequence for their actions.

I cannot understand how you cannot get this or even mildly accept that it happens, plenty.

You have once again fallen back on these old, tired beat up statements that various members of this forum have bandied around since Titan started up. There really is nothing new in your last 5 posts at least on the subject.

People need to be held accountable for their actions and if that is at gun point then so be it.

No, no you get me wrong, Sir.

I can understand that some people are angry about that other players with LE could do this other way than they do.

But again the question: whats the problem with this ? First, you could let them play their style (or do you fear that there are WOC discs could go out of stock due to overfarming ?) :p .

Second: every player could do this also, one char with, one char without LE.

Dont bother again and again what other player do all the time.

Reed
21-02-13, 20:48
William Antrim

You can understand why people are angry but you ask what the problem is?

Which is it?

The sarcasm is truly not needed and the rest of your post I am afraid I cannot understand. You are a very confusing person. Perhaps it is a language problem. I cannot see it being anything else other than that unless you are trying to keep the fires burning on this issue.
21-02-13, 22:14
Haggis.at

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

They can go anywhere they want, they can shoot anything they want, they can spawn-block and all the other wonderful things and they can do it all without any consequence for their actions.

They can go anywhere they want - fine, whats the problem? So can you!
They can shoot anything they want - wrong, they can't shoot you. So are you just mad because they can also hunt mobs and you can't kill them while they do so?`You don't happen to be one of the 2 idiots riding combat hovers and ganking leveling/farming players 'til kingdom come?
They can spawn block - misuse of game mechanics - report to a GM. IF the cave is empty (like the final room at regants is cleared everytime).
If it isn't empty because some players choose to rush through and just kill the Bossmob - wait until the cave is clear. Or invite them into the team and clear it with them. That way those LE's players will get more XP and you get a reset cave fast. Win/Win. Oh, sorry, I forgot, its easier to whine about that you can't kill them, my bad. My LE PE did even recycle ammo / medpacks for the non LEs out at Milbase Bunker because they invited me. We had lots of fun TOGETHER. At NC1 I had no problem getting my LE out - there were simply not THAT much triggerhappy morons out there those days... But when you can't even run throught Plaza 2 to your app without being ganked (and right in front of the copbots) then I wish I never removed the LE on 2 of my chars

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