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I played on Terra and if you didnt have your le in you got shot, regardless of faction/rank or anything else in the game. It was open season for everyone on everyone else.
So yeah it might have been all civilized on mars but terra was a different story. Plaza 1 looked like the OK Corral some days.
Well that sounds like no fun at all. Interesting how different the situation on every server was like.
I am willing to scratch the "P1 non-safezone part" even though I think it was an important reason for TH but I stay with all other suggestions I made in the other posts. Something has to happen faction wise and it has to matter what faction you are in in your daily Neocron life. Being shot by guards when you move into enemy territory is just one detail of many.
Absolutely right! Whatever you had in NC1, since NC2 there is i suppose on all servers more gank/pvp than rp. There is/was no difference between Mars and Terra. A safezone should be necessary to ensure trading at certain places.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Antrim
This is a must to bring back TH days! Also please add a bit of a story to it too. Don't just do it over night ;)
What Tech Haven had, was Fallen Angels. And many of those had - and have - a strong feeling for their faction. Thats what made Tech Haven a place were players cooperated, and when they decided to cooperate to make a save trade hub for everyone - they came. Those that wanted to trade, those that wanted to see, and those that wanted to disturb.
It made nice action all around, I still remember the time I first shot at some annoyer with a TL < 30 Weapon and was proud to be apart.
But for that to come back, it would mean to take something away in other places, as was mentioned already - as long as everyone can trade on plaza 1, there is no reason to trade elsewhere.
I am FA to the core, I love Tech Haven, but I am not sure taking something away that is norm now is the right thing to do. On the other hand it could be, but who knows.
So in reality only one thing can be done for Tech Haven, I think - let the Angels live (and start) there, and let it be a place were one can live - meaning you can get the most necessary supplies (Ammunitions, Medical Supplies, Basic Implants, Basic Weapons & Armor, Leveling Places) there. [I can't remember at the moment which of those are already there, and I can't go and look it up ;-)]
The Rest is up to the Angels, they either make it or they go to Plaza 1 - their choice.
P.S. - One possibility for Plaza 1 to be nonsave but still quite protected would be for it having the right sector dedication - e.g. Like a dungeon sector, no matter who you kill you loose soullight, but depending who exactly it is more or less (But that would only work if getting SL up is not a trivila matter). But thats just some lose thought, haven't really thought it through.
Yeah I do agree with you that it might take away some the players from plaza 1 or no one would bother using TH. But then again maybe it should be our job to bring in new players. The game is free. Its our jobs as the players to go find new players and bring them in but also teach them.
There is a lot of people out there looking for a game like NC and char 2 shits about what the graphics look like. We just need to find them!
TH is boring no matter what, would love to see a populated canyon though. :)
All thats needed is to remove safezones everywhere, and let copbots/guards in general shoot at everything red. that should keep TG and PP factions mostly away from plaza in general, but raiding stays possible.
Tried that already. The community cried out over it and P1 stayed safe again. All this suggestion would do is give people even more incentive to keep the LE in.Quote:
Originally Posted by löffel
Yup exactly will. If we bring back few more sz. Then more will take their me out food sure. Right now the first min this game is PvP.
It definitely was not. We had tons of AFK runners on Mars chillin'. Nothing happened to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DR REED
I really don't know what might have happened towards the end of the first Neocron 2 era but around 2004-2006 Plaza 1 on Mars was one of the safest "no-safezone" in the game.
I agree that the current playerbase is nowhere near as to maintain a civilized P1 but in the past it worked great and I don't want this perversion of the past to stand uncommented.
Purely a guess, but I would say that it was probably because of low population. You kill what you can get to kill. Tradeskiller or pure pvp character - doesnt matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Kassad
I have personally killed a TON of tradeskillers.. If I have been online for more than one hour without seeing anyone to kill, I will kill anyone above */30..
You know.. More than an hour without being an asshole.. Thats just a problem for me :p
Anytime you get large numbers of people together in a non-safezone you will eventually get pvp to break out, it's just the nature of the NC playerbase. Back when NC2 first started on Terra and p1 was unsafe, there was pvp everywhere, there was absolutely no way in hell you could go afk. Hell, we even had a huge clan war between us and an allied faction, and it only occured because we were all in the same area and it occured to us that we could shoot our weapons. Regardless of the SL loss, we used to fight on the steps of CA HQ, people were going red SL every few minutes. It was fun as hell though :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Kassad
I would like to see a lot of the high-tech weapons sold there. I remember on my melee tank, I use to buy a certain melee weapon I could only get from there. That was in beta 4 so maybe my memory is foggy. I'd also like to see a return of the original FA clan apartment. That thing was AWESOME!Quote:
Originally Posted by Trivaldi
laserblade. still only sold there far as i know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Druid311
Hi, i just read through al the post. As a long-term fallen angel i would like to tell my opinion. I am drawn to both sides safe and/or non-safe zone. As a matter of fact i will leave this open so far.
Let's start with the appartments. From RP-Side TH always homed the scientific branch of the FA faction. The "agressive part" was in DoY and got moved into the outzone. Which makes no sense because why shouldn't brothers welcome the family home? So the appas should be moved back to TH. This should include all the basic-vendors needed for noob-leveling. This would also make it easier for new players to find the HQ without runnning through half of the worldmap. (Does TG have their HQ in the canyon?)
If the starter-apps were to be moved to th we need to look into the leveling spots. those should be rare and not go to high to encourage players to go out and explore the world.
And now i made up my mind about the savezonething.
TH should be a savezone where tradeskillers can roam free and save.This would be in the interest of the faction. When i think back when NC co-existed with the DoY there were always enough tradeskiller around on either side. And the server-pop was not that more than now. We are talking about rough 23-30% which equals 18-270 players? There will be always a tradeskiller in NC or TH for the players. And you know? As a implanter i have no problem jumping from nc to th if there is work for me.
Don't think of new players as idiots. They are not that stupid to not know how use help- or tradechannel. If a player stands in TH and cannot find a Tradeskiller he needs and thinks "damn this game is too hard because i am somewhere and there is not the asswiper i need... I'm gonna delete my char,uninstall and DDoS the Gameservers" it's worth of losing him. Those who stay will find a community who is able to support the new players and worth staying.
Pretty sure i forgot half of my thoughts and sound confusing. Well my work is done. I am off! My Faction needs me(and TH as well)
I had my look around now, and from what I saw I think the following would be practical:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trivaldi
Traders may find space in Tech Haven 3 (Where all those closed doors are in the large community room)
- Fist Weaponry might find Space, as Twilight Guardian is allied to the Fallen Angels => Armor, Turrets, Basic Heavy Weapons, Basic Melee Weapons
- Boobs & Guns might find Space, as Tsunami Syndicate is allied to the Fallen Angels => Basic Rifle and Pistol Weapons.
- An Allbuyer is needed of course.
- Maybe a VERY basic PSI Smuggler would finish the ranks (as Crahn Sect is enemy to the Fallen Angels their shop wouldn't make real sense now.) I am unsure though which existing NPC could be copied for that. Maybe the Beginner mc5 Smuggler, but he has many other things too, and I don't know which Spells he has. (Never really played a Monk long). But somehow Monk Players would have to get a few starter helps too I guess.
- Maybe a trader for Loms.
As far as i can tell, thats all of which I think it is lacking. Basic Drugs are avaiable from the Medical Guy, as are other Medical supplies. Black Dragon won't open shop there for sure, as they are too an enemy of the Fallen Angels - and Drugs are not so essential that there is a need for an alternative IN Tech Haven. Basic implants are already there, as are the basic construction and tool traders.
Basically it would mean that starting players can buy equipment there to play. The Allbuyer makes it a viable base for experienced players to come back to.
I think it boils down to: Armor, Weapons, Allbuyer.
Same here, I was expecting to see TH and was like wtf seeing the OZ station. Yes, please move FA apartments back to TH and the respective stores/services.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disturbed21
There was never real sense into moving the Fallen Angels and the Twilight Guardians into the Outzone Subway Station. As i must say, i like the looks of the Appartment Complex, although there are too many sectors and appartment lifts.
The idea to move TG back to their canyon and the Fallen Angels back to their tech city was brought long time ago, but was not fulfilled. I think members of the Tsunami Syndicate and the Crahn Sect start at the pepper park again, which is awesome to populate those zones.
Short words to the canyon before i move on:
The canyon was always the Guardian's habitat and also awesome to start in. It was a feeling of freedom that united those players (I do remember this from Jupiter). Now there are some (I think two) Black Dragon guards standing around, who are not allied to the Twilight Guardians. Does not make sense. The canyon belongs to the brave Twilight Guardians and whoever is not hostile to them may visit it for sightseeing or even for moving in. But there should not be other guards than the TG ones.
As a TG runner starts out at Neocron instead of the canyon, he does miss the awesomeness provided by this sector. There are some caves for lowlevels to start out, as I would wish that there were even more for mid- and highlevels around, so that one community apart from "the medicare unity" can build up. It strongens the people to stay at their faction, help each other out and fight side by side for the freedom of their own.
This brings me to the Tech Haven facility. There also was a nice community feeling when a Fallen Angel's runner started out at the big tech city. Mostly hunting bats and stuff around the Tech Haven sectors, just to be strong enough to gather some kills at the turret sewers. There was trading and teaming and grouping and helping each other.
Yes, both factions, Fallen Angels and Twilight Guardian shall start out at their natural habitat. Binding this on one condition:
Make all the cities depending on their own. Give them sewers and dungeons from level 0 to level 60 (rank i mean in that case) and allow them to level fully independent on any other levelspot outside. This does not include any special loot, just the normal junk that's all around anyways.
Give them all the traders they need so they do not need to come out of their cities. Of course they WANT to get out at some point: rare parts, pvp, teaming up with players not their faction, rhino hunting, exploring, whatsoever. In that case all the reasons people leave the Neocron city for.
Dungeons to be added:
0 - 10 Lowlevel dungeon (Spiders, plants, beggars, mutants)
10 - 20 Lowlevel dungeon (Aggressor or equal, depending on the environment)
20 - 30 Midlevel dungeon (Launchers, Turrets, Hurlers)
30 - 40 Midlevel dungeon (Maybe higherlevel turrets and launchers, snakes)
40 - 50 Highlevel dungeon (Spiderbots, Sentrys, Turrets, Spiders)
50 - 60 Highlevel dungeon
We already have the environment for the sewers (look up the viarosso sewers nobody uses or the swampcave models without water, the DoY sewers and dungeons, the aggressor sewers etc.). All there needs to be done is to add some spawn points for them enemies, one entrance and one exit. Maybe just do 3 different sewer types, depending on the location. For example for TG use the canyon cave, the "new" lowlevel dungeon you can find at pepper park 1 in front of the club and the swamp cave model. For TH the hightech dungeon, the viarosso dungeon and one of the DoY dungeon models (storeage for example).
Also, this needs to be done for the Military base while I'm on this idea. At the moment they don't have very much to level at but the level 1 sewers and the bunker. The tough guys will just leave out the sewers and rush to the bunker anyways, but hey, give new players a chance ;)
Just my few cents.
Its annoying that the devs oversaw that issue. They moved to old DoY Apps to OZ so that old players can keep their old Appartments - but failed to set up the mechanics that new Characters would get Start Apps According to their faction.
All three of the players at the time had their apartments moved... The other 2 new ones started in CA...
Lawless if you had your way then we would never need to leave the city, with all of these dungeons in the city noone would go anywhere and noone would ever interact with anyone outside their faction. Anyone who accidentally joined Diamond Real Estate would die of boredom...
(the above is just humour)
I love the idea of TG and FA being back in their natural homes but I think the P1 Medicare buzz is what makes NC so great. So no I would rather see the center of all trading be there.
There was not good alternative at that time, but on the new server you can kill at least 2 of the oz-appartment complexes
black dragons, tsunami and crahn would be happier in the pepper park, twilight guardian in the canyon and fallen angels in tech haven. all we need is a background story development to wrap it all in.
and i oppose spawning anything stronger than cyclops within settlement zones. (20-30 in lawless' post)
Definitely agreed. Cant put it all on a silver platter. Send them off in to the world to see whats out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torg
Doy should be the high end pve zone in my opinion. I know we pushed it before but for me it should be Doy/MC5 as the top end and Regants Legacy (not to be confused with the PA quest area) should be 2nd.
I always felt that TH is a tradeskill area. FA traditionally is a science faction, and though it's more militant side (as borne out in the background in NC's recent history) is now a large part of it, it is somewhat secondary to organisation's aims.
One issue the factions as a whole have s that there's not really much difference between them. Aside from FSMs, there's not much discrepancy in item access/cost, quest types, play-style and other aspects of runner life.
I don't see much reason for TH to grant access to higher-end weapons. FA might have combat requirements, but less-so TH. On the other hand, cheaper parts, chems, lube and higher tl tools than other places sell are appropriate.
Similarly, CM and TG are more focused on combat. Cheaper/higher tl weapons and armour. Of course TG is generally more aligned with urban combat, stealth, infiltration and covert operations while CM operates in more conventional military manner, being concerned with wasteland action most of the time.