Neocron Reloaded

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05-03-12, 23:50
Kirk Lenke

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Originally Posted by Powerpunsh

Biglines, check out the Team and Nukklear.com!
They seem to work with Frogster America which could explain the move.

Kay WAS working for Frogster America. He has joined Nukklear now fully.
So there is no connection with Frogster and I guess will never be.
05-03-12, 23:51
r2d22k

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Originally Posted by gamefreak

What I don't get is why you move to a new engine if it looks worse than the old one. I don't think you should lower your sights only to make Neocron playable through a browser. Noone cares about downloading a client if it's already free.

Do not underestimate the power of Unity and its browser plugin. Unity is a quite capable engine it just needs to be utilized right.
05-03-12, 23:52
Kirk Lenke

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Originally Posted by gamefreak

Don't ever forget to install a red telephone for biglines in your new company.

What I don't get is why you move to a new engine if it looks worse than the old one. I don't think you should lower your sights only to make Neocron playable through a browser. Noone cares about downloading a client if it's already free.

Neocron reloaded uses old Neocron assets and they look good in Unity when you see it live. Even the things you can see in the sneak peak haven't been fully optimized yet.

And beside this we want to reach a larger group of people enjoying Neocron.

For Neocron 3 we will take a more powerful engine in regard but this is also depending on time and BUDGET ;)

Cheers
K
05-03-12, 23:53
Kirk Lenke

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Originally Posted by r2d22k

Do not underestimate the power of Unity and its browser plugin. Unity is a quite capable engine it just needs to be utilized right.

Second that - thanks!
05-03-12, 23:55
Biglines

lol, sorry, I've become a bit too suspicious of random big announcements just when things are going badly :p I'll shut up about that now.

As to why u want neocron not to improve in looks, the simplest explanation from what I read in his posts is that they are going to use the old art assets, just in the new engine. I don't know if you've ever done any 3d modelling, but using the old art assets in a new engine will probably save them about 70-80% of the development time (especially if they can salvage some of the old algorithms from the current neocron).

So instead of a complete AAA neocron 3, I'd say a browser based neocron reloaded based on current art assets is a very good idea, and something that can be realized on a budget, and within the coming year or two.

Also because as far as I know, unity browser based games generally stream their content, meaning there are no files to modify, hopefully making cheating harder.

Also Kirk, I edited my first post after you replied to it, so I'll restate the question: Have you figured out a way to include community content? We have a large community of creative people (graphically as well as writing/quests), as well as very good programmers, and unity is something that is relatively easy to learn about.
05-03-12, 23:58
r2d22k

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Originally Posted by Biglines

Have you figured out a way to include community content? We have a large community of creative people (graphically as well as writing/quests), as well as very good programmers, and unity is something that is relatively easy to learn about.

Oh damn I would keen on contributing somehow :)
05-03-12, 23:58
MrTrip

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Originally Posted by Kirk Lenke

Neocron reloaded uses old Neocron assets and they look good in Unity when you see it live. Even the things you can see in the sneak peak haven't been fully optimized yet.

And beside this we want to reach a larger group of people enjoying Neocron.

For Neocron 3 we will take a more powerful engine in regard but this is also depending on time and BUDGET ;)

Cheers
K

Hey Kirk =P Can neocron.org host a Neocron Classic server for you? Thanks :D, awaiting your reply.

*pssst r2d22k check your pms*
05-03-12, 23:58
Kirk Lenke

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biglines

lol, sorry, I've become a bit too suspicious of random big announcements just when things are going badly :p I'll shut up about that now.

As to why u want neocron not to improve in looks, the simplest explanation from what I read in his posts is that they are going to use the old art assets, just in the new engine. I don't know if you've ever done any 3d modelling, but using the old art assets in a new engine will probably save them about 70-80% of the development time (especially if they can salvage some of the old algorithms from the current neocron).

So instead of a complete AAA neocron 3, I'd say a browser based neocron reloaded based on current art assets is a very good idea, and something that can be realized on a budget, and within the coming year or two.

Also because as far as I know, unity browser based games generally stream their content, meaning there are no files to modify, hopefully making cheating harder.

100% agreed!

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Originally Posted by Biglines

Also Kirk, I edited my first post after you replied to it, so I'll restate the question: Have you figured out a way to include community content? We have a large community of creative people (graphically as well as writing/quests), as well as very good programmers, and unity is something that is relatively easy to learn about.

I know I really do consider this but all takes time and making even a Neocron reloaded is a huge task.

But we are on it as you can see and we will try to do whatever is needed to save Neocron and Reakktor or continue Neocron within Nukklear.

I keep you guys in the loop as good as I can but for today I am terrible tired. It have been long days in the last weeks.

Cheers
K.
05-03-12, 23:59
psychowar

Every day I check the forum if something happens and than this! :eek:

Thanks so much! Can't wait for more news!
05-03-12, 23:59
Kirk Lenke

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Originally Posted by MrTrip

Hey Kirk =P Can neocron.org host a Neocron Classic server for you? Thanks :D, awaiting your reply.

I really would love to offer this to you. But I have to re-check possibilities first.

I get back to you if it is doable.

Cheers
K.
06-03-12, 00:00
CMaster

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Originally Posted by r2d22k

Let's found a new church and pray to Kirk!

Found the Kirk Kirk?
06-03-12, 00:00
MrTrip

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Originally Posted by Kirk Lenke

I really would love to offer this to you. But I have to re-check possibilities first.

I get back to you if it is doable.

Cheers
K.

Get back to me either way on it please please do.
06-03-12, 00:02
Biglines

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Originally Posted by Kirk Lenke

I know I really do consider this but all takes time and making even a Neocron reloaded is a huge task.

I meant helping out with reloaded :p
06-03-12, 00:02
Kirk Lenke

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Originally Posted by CMaster

Found the Kirk Kirk?

hahaha, well I think I do not yet deserve to be listed here
06-03-12, 00:03
Kirk Lenke

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Originally Posted by Biglines

I meant helping out with reloaded :p

Go that :p

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Originally Posted by MrTrip

Get back to me either way on it please please do.

Will do!
06-03-12, 00:08
r2d22k

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Originally Posted by CMaster

Found the Kirk Kirk?

Holy ^^ rofl... ^^

Yeah let us found the Kirk Kirk! ;) That would be a nice easteregg to see in NC reloaded ^^
06-03-12, 00:12
Drachenpaladin

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Originally Posted by r2d22k

Holy ^^ rofl... ^^

Yeah let us found the Kirk Kirk! ;) That would be a nice easteregg to see in NC reloaded ^^

Vote4 official rename the Brotherhood of Crahn into the Brotherhood of Kirk! ^^
06-03-12, 01:11
Powerpunsh

I forgot dont convert or whatever Neocron 1:1. There are screws that needs much attention. :D
06-03-12, 01:27
Dribble Joy

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Originally Posted by Biglines

Have you figured out a way to include community content? We have a large community of creative people (graphically as well as writing/quests), as well as very good programmers, and unity is something that is relatively easy to learn about.

Aside from any balancing stuff, I will quite literally sit down and spend my weekends (and given I am currently 'seeking employment', most of the other time) writing runs, quests and missions if given the mission 'code'.

(As an aside, this is also a great opportunity to deal with some of the more numeral aspects of balance, such as weapon DPS.)
06-03-12, 01:35
Dribble Joy

Just to point out:

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* Optional subscription model and convenience packages for high-rollers

Which is essentially what several of us have been suggesting as a future business solution for KK: A hybrid system of subscription, F2P and cash-shop.

So long as what is and isn't included in the F2P and subscription packages doesn't 'break' the game, this could be a real opportunity towards any future NC3.
06-03-12, 02:37
Genji

http://www.nukklear.com/#en/_Neocron_Reloaded

At the bottem of the page it says:
"A DEMO IS AVAILABLE TODAY SHOWING THE POTENTIAL OF neocron RELOADED on Unity."

Is this true, because I can't find it.
06-03-12, 02:44
MadMeleeFreak

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Originally Posted by Genji

http://www.nukklear.com/#en/_Neocron_Reloaded

At the bottem of the page it says:
"A DEMO IS AVAILABLE TODAY SHOWING THE POTENTIAL OF neocron RELOADED on Unity."

Is this true, because I can't find it.

Nope. I think this is related to the presentation of the company and games at the GDC in SF at the moment.
06-03-12, 03:00
Kamuix99

I make it short: I hope for Reakktor to survive Insolvency well and that we can keep/or get a new Client based P2P Necoron.

Experiences with Gamigo clearly showed how profitable and great F2P models are, and really none of us can have an interest to bare with the scum of humanity that comes along with F2P. People who don't want to pay for a good game, simply shouldn't play :cool:
06-03-12, 06:42
flib

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Originally Posted by Kirk Lenke

The plan is to take the best things from NC1 and NC2.

Does this mean the NC1 character models, too? :D
06-03-12, 09:08
Chuck Norris

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Originally Posted by flib

Does this mean the NC1 character models, too? :D

I hope so and the UI!
06-03-12, 09:14
Fuzzy Wuzzy

and the populations? ^_^
06-03-12, 11:14
Doc Holliday

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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Wuzzy

and the populations? ^_^

and hopefully some more viable levelling spots for solo or teams (chaos caves back in nc1 you were almost always guarenteed to find a team in there.)

waaaaaaay back when there was a huge discussion on the pros and cons of instancing dungeons (circa 2004) because wow was offering it. people argued for and against but ultimately it never happened. depending on pops getting up to decent numbers i wouldnt be aversed to it. just please make pve more viable and more fun again rather than the regants till you die idea.
06-03-12, 11:21
nabbl

What do you think about a character vipe with NC Reloaded ?

I think it will happen. Otherwise this whole F2P concept wouldn't make much sense.
06-03-12, 11:23
Powerpunsh

No instances please. I remember back in the day of Neocron 1. There was always a huge crowd running in the sewers. That was hell of fun! Everyone was hunting rats, flies, bats. Soo cooool. :cool:
06-03-12, 11:32
Brammers

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Originally Posted by nabbl

What dor you think about a character vipe with NC Reloaded ?

I think it will happen. Otherwise this whole F2P concept wouldn't make much sense.

In a way, it will have to happen. There are a few clans and characters out there who have quite a fair amount of resources available.

At least with a wipe, everyone starts on the same level.

Also please, no instances. I would miss the "Let's go levelling in that cave, only to find Tangent and has a mass fight instead!"

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