you make a valid point.
Just trying to give the man some breathing room.
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you make a valid point.
Just trying to give the man some breathing room.
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Originally Posted by Biglines
Honestly, I think you (And anyone responding saying how mad they are and acting as if they are entitled to knowing what's going on, saying what KK are doing is crap/lying/etc) are risking them not even saying anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biglines
He's busy, he is running a company (One that, I might add, is still in financial trouble or just recently got over it). He doesn't want to sit down and read people acting like this when he gets off work. And during work I'm sure he's really busy. He isn't sitting on his butt at a desk doing nothing all day, in fact I doubt he has time for that.
He is giving us a courtesy. No one from KK really ever posted on this forum in a long time before this thread. Heck, he actually called some one personally and gave them information on what's going on, why aren't you getting on to that person for not releasing the information? Now we know he's on a plane, and his kids were sick. It's not like we're asking him to just answer stuff that is off the top of his head information. He would probably have to take some time, gather information and then organize it into something understandable.
Keep making timers and posts asking for the information, but don't run them off calling out every move they make because they haven't answered questions about this yet. Bugging them is fine, but stop making this personal.
You don't honestly think they are so stupid that they would come here and throw fuel on the fire by making promises they don't intend (from the start) on keeping just to satisfy us for about two weeks?
Also, this isn't just aimed at who I quoted, so don't feel I'm calling you out.
You know, I actually wouldn't mind subscribing to Neocron, even without some kind of patch, if they could guarantee that that money was being used to pay someone to do something to Neocron.
Please, before you make posts like this, check your history. This is EXACTLY what has been done time and time before. Well, maybe he intended to keep them, but there are at least 4 instances in which it can be seen that promises are simply and utterly ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreInsanity
In my world, a courteous person who says he's going to explain something before the week is over, will actually let me know if he's not going to be able to keep that promise.
And the person whom spoke with Kirk was told not to say anything, specificially because kirk promised to post himself. Why would I get on LOKI's case for being an actual person that does what he promised?
For now. :) Just letting us know, what is going on. It's a lot better than total silence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danae
Thanks!
This server crashing business... is it going to be looked at soon?
I know it was not your intention or point, but the reason I can and will not say more than I already have is that I was asked not to. I agreed not to, and I like to think I am a man of my word.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreInsanity
That being said, I am incredibly surprised that he hasn't responded yet.
Is this basically another NC3 thread, where Kirk promised to respond but was secretly just saying 'This'll shut you up on the BP forums for a while'?
I believe it was Biglines who also collected all the questions and displayed them in one post, of which Kirk said thank you for, but then left once more. That was almost 3 weeks ago (seems longer if I'm honest), but in that time frame you'd expect at least 1 question answered. I honestly feel like I have been mugged by the same person 3 times, but still stupid enough to keep going down that same road :(
Counter on NC.org shows 24 days, and 400 days since promised patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by [K1]Luke
Ah, you're right it wasn't my intention, however knowing that I will remove it from my post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by L0KI
I think it would be best if we all heard it from Kirk anyway, as a gesture of good faith.
Please. I have been around, as I said in other posts, since basically the start of this game. I know the history. This was the first, and quite frankly the best MMO I have ever played. I love this game, I just won't get mad about a game or at a guy who's life I know nothing about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biglines
First I would like to state that my main point with L0KI was not that we should all get on to him for information. It just seems to me everyone wants information so badly I'm kind of surprised no one has, while that's a good thing it's just surprising (Something I would expect from the community of WoW, honestly).
Look, at the end of the day the guy is still human. He's busy, and quite frankly probably doesn't want to come on here and read about how bad they all are after he gets done working his butt off all day. People screw up and make mistakes, that's life. Being human, that also goes the other way and means he could be doing what we are all afraid of or suspect.
The way I see it, we have no right coming on here and complain about his character or personality, or what he should and shouldn't have done. Because at the end of the day we have no right to judge, you aren't in his office or at his house on a daily basis to know what his situation is.
I'm not saying I think it's right to lead people on, I'm saying I don't know fully that's what he's doing.
In the end of the day I'm going to walk away from this with one of the two scenarios:
1) He led us on and lied to us. I didn't let it bring me to the point of being mad and needing to vent on here (While it does upset me, it doesn't make me that mad). I walk away from this and move on with my life, I lose some time making a few posts. It was fun while it lasted, but sadly things come to an end.
2) He answers the questions, eventually fixes Neocron (hopefully) and I am happy knowing I didn't let these bad times bother me that much.
We can't mob up and show how angry we are and digitally flip some cars in a thread (so to speak) and expect it to go anywhere. In the end of the day, they are going to do what they are going to do whatever they do. None of us have the money to change that.
For all we know Kirk is just the man in the middle, wanting to do something but really can't due to money/time/whatever.
Edit: Apparently I can't edit that out of my thread, L0KI, sorry :/
It's clear that you haven't been following what's been going on here for the last 6 years or so. There's a profound lack of communication from KK and it's gotten to the point that there's nothing left to do other than be pissed off because it's complete bullshit. It's always a few more weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreInsanity
Well, it's been weeks since Kirk said he would respond. I don't care if he's on business in the US or what. I wrote my entire Masters thesis in a hotel room while at a conference. It's not hard to open up your laptop and spend 30 minutes to touch base with your loyal fanbase. Hell, I've had family members die and I was still able to type out an email to my supervisor and coworkers and let them know what the hell is going on. Again, taking 30 minutes and typing out a quick update isn't that hard.
The fact that Kirk, the biggest representative of KK, cannot find time to provide even the most basic of updates to his customers in over a month is absurd and basically shows that he's ineffective at his job.
You do realize that we're customers of KK, right? Hell, people have already exercised their ability to "digitally flip some cars." Look at the forum. It's dead. Look at the game. It's dead. That's what you get when you fail to stay involved with the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreInsanity
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Originally Posted by MrDomino
Oh, I have been around and know they haven't done much of anything for the last 6 years. Being pissed isn't going to change that, there is no point in doing it. Again, you still don't know what's going on there (It would be nice if he could at least update us on that, but meh).
So then, answer me this (and this goes for everyone); If you honestly believe he is leading you on and just doing the same crap repeatedly, who is the worse? Him for doing it, or everyone here for being stupid enough to follow him for 6 years. If he's like what you think he is, then being mad isn't going to change that. Thus, all of this anger is pointless.
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Originally Posted by MrDomino
You do realize that if we all paid $15/m in subscription fees it wouldn't mean crap to the amount of money they are probably having to deal with, right?
It would be cheaper for them to shut this game down. Less of a headache too.
You said it yourself, the game is dead. Ask yourself then why they are still keeping it up, it must mean something to them. And I doubt it's out subscriptions because I think most of us are playing for free due to paypal.
I'm one of the people who has already left because of the shitty treatment from KK. I don't maintain an active subscription, I just check the forum every few weeks. It's not like I'm hanging on his every word. I'm just pointing out that the way the NC community is treated is bullshit and there's absolutely no reason KK or Kirk should be defended.
The simple fact is that all of this negative publicity from Neocron is transferring over to their new game, BP. Remember, history repeats itself. If KK couldn't sort out their issues with engaging the community here then the same mistakes are going to be made there. Things have steadily gotten worse instead of better.
See, that's basically what I'm saying. People need to take a more passive role, not "I'm pissed and I'm going to throw crap everywhere". That's not going to get you anywhere, especially if they truly don't care like everyone seems to think. That's what my main point is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDomino
If we are stupid enough to stick around and continue to be played then it's as much our fault as it is his. We are left with three choices:
1) Stay and rant, which gains us nothing really.
2) Stay and hope for them to say something, posting logical posts, bugging them on the BP forums. Stay "cool" as some people would say and don't let anger get in the way of coming up with a way to achieve your goal.
3) Leave.
This negative publicity could be done without the need for anger to this degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDomino
Think about it, if I were on BP and enjoying it and never plaid Neocron then I would look at this forum and see a bunch of people getting all pissed off and not really deserving a response.
This is not nearly as bad of publicity as you might think, or they would be doing something about it. Gamigo would make them as it would be hurting the profit of a game they have invested in.
You are more likely to get negative rep if you make logical posts, reminding them to answer. Bug them on both these forums and the BP forums, but don't rage. It's too easy to dismiss you if you are just raging.