The Deal with Hybrids

So what is the deal with hybrids at the moment? I'm leveling an APU at moment because I want to try it out again, but obviously I'm very weak in con.

Is there still a malus to having some points in APU and some points in PPU? (apart from the obvious ones from implants)

If I have my apu with enough for tl3 heal, will that affect my apu skills (apart from obviously losing a couple points in ppu)

I just can't remember what happened last with hybrids, and why they aren't viable anymore (too high APU/PPU req?)

Cheers for help.

Not totally sure, but I think the malus was removed some time ago.

Got to go through patchnotes to find it.

I think the deal with the hybrid is that you dont have enough skillpoints to get both high enough APU and PPU.

Try playing around with StevenJ's Neoskiller. It should help you find out what is possible and/or viable.

Yeh i already made a nice setup and all. Love tht program. I was just wondering why more apu's don't spec for heal. Is the lower tl nanite heal better? (i'm def not speccing for the tl40 heal tool)

Good luck with the TL40 heal on a monk, takes 75 con :D

Im trying to make a hybrid atm as well, and its not working too well for me. If you get a good working setup, you oughta post it up here

Mmm, i'm fiddling around. Taking off 10 points off APU, i can get up to protector and tl 10 heal nicely, so i think i'll go for a high apu/low ppu, hybrid setup. The 10 points off APU won't make that much of a difference damage-wise.

Are rifle/pistol PPU still viable? They kill stuff rather slow, but are never really in any danger from anything. :)

I have a rifle/barter PPU now.. he's just slow, otherwise he's mostly what a 'pure' ppu is, nearly unkillable. :)

edit: As for the hybrid, I would say FA/HL and blessed buffs with a couple of resist chips.

Yeah I was just playing with NSkill again, my PPU used to be a pistol PPU. You can pretty easily get to the S-337-F SMG, and have 120+ P-C, 80-ish WEP, and still be able to poke, hack, barter, whatever around 85. I think in the head I would do a Crahn Support Core, PPR, Pistol 2, and Exp Psi 3. Reflexbooster 1 in the back, pistol eye. I only have about 90 Psi, so I'd wear the level 1 monk PA.

You kill slow, but steady. Indestructible for solo hunting.

I liked it, back in the test server for 2.2, when hybrids could use everything.
I liked that idea, because with that idea, a hybrid could be moderately useful at both APU and PPU, and an APU/PPU can be very good at their specialty.

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Originally Posted by Apocalypsox

Good luck with the TL40 heal on a monk, takes 75 con :D

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75 Body health, 40 con.

On paper I have toyed with the idea of a nannite setup for heals as lets face it; if someone shoots at you do you want the choice of going down in one second or two? Thats the only real difference between going all out on body health or saving the extra 30 points or so for resists. I know the heal tool is slow but I figure with the survival kits and a decent armour set up an APU could have resists only marginally weaker than your average spy. I am still convinced there is a setup out there that either noone has tried or few have discovered privately and aren't willing to share. I will find my own anyway as I like the challenge of it. Just need to cap int. Which is boring as hell. :mad:

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Originally Posted by William Antrim

Just need to cap int. Which is boring as hell. :mad:

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On an APU? What for? Just use as is, keep hunting and eventually you'll get int xp.

[just capped CMuster [my PPUs] int a week or so ago]

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Originally Posted by CMaster

On an APU? What for? Just use as is, keep hunting and eventually you'll get int xp.

[just capped CMuster [my PPUs] int a week or so ago]

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It sounds completely anal I know but its just for the sake of completeness. I finally dragged myself to Int 94 on my ppu yesterday, even though he has Woc Psi already... strange that.

Loads of people have said you dont NEED to cap intel on a monk but I want the 6 extra hack points for my ppu to be honest. Its just for completeness sake, nothing more. Levelling is such a bore though. I just managed to get a pe to woc and I am having a helluva lot of fun with him but I rarely get either of my monkeys out, unless its A) to help a clan mate level (ppu then) or B) Op fight (ppu again) just because I suck balls with an apu.

without obvious testing i cant be sure but i would have thought it logical to carry a heal spell as opposed to a nanite heal. surely by the fact your speccing ppu its better than the crummy basic one and a monk wont have much in terms of health for resists for the decent one. plus transport can be an issue and your already carrying PSI boosters.

I'm able to carry around all of those things just fine on my APU.

I have played with this a bunch and would post the setup I liked best if I knew how to insert images into this post. So yea, if anyone wants to tell me I'll upload the setup.

Anyway, they are not at all viable.

I ended up with a 3 drug pa swaping setup. For all that work my resists were still worse than anything but a pure apus and my dmg was worse than any other class in the game. Oh and did I mention the heal wasn't as effective as the nanite ones?

The only advantadge I could find at all was the ability to rezz on an atacker.



Some of the issues are:

Yes the apu/ppu malus is back

If you have any apu points the game considers you an apu, this means that your selfcast holy shields are considered forign cast (badly) as is your heal. You retain the resist cap of an apu (75%) and your dmg seems to be around 50% of what a pure apu's is with worse frequency (by a lot) and bad aiming.

So in short (and long) don't do it. Hybrids are broken atm.

But yea, its a shame. I love the idea of being a hybrid, and tbh it really would not be hard to fix them. Just slowly make ajustments (being careful not to over do it) untill they are balanced.


Edit: See this post: http://forum.neocron.com./showthread.php?t=138213 for details on what happens if the game considers you an apu (and for a bunch of other great info too)