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Patch Notes (http://www.neocron.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=504&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0)
Servers will be down for ~3 hours.
Do not quote the complete Patchnotes!!!!
Known bug: For most users, Alt-Tabbing out of the game leaves the screen black. This bug is caused by code parts preparing for the switch to DirectX 9. We decided not to fix this bug as we want to and have to focus our development resources on DoY.
If you rely on using programs like instant messengers or voice com while playing Neocron, you should use Neocron's window modus and enlarge the window to fill your screen. To do that, open the neocron.ini in Neocron's main folder with a text editor and edit the line PREFMODENAME (to get windowmode) and add the line PREFWINDOWSIZE (to set the size of the window).
Example:
PREFMODENAME = "WindowMode"
PREFWINDOWSIZE = "1024x768" (adjust this to your desktop resolution)
World:
-Added Racetrack GenRep
-Added the DoY tunnel network. The entrances are situated all over the Wastelands and look like bunkers. The tunnels are considered a military area and all trespassers will be shot, regardless of faction. The enemies in the tunnels have a chance of dropping (complete) Slotenhancers, Ultima Mods and Rareparts as well as some new junk that could be useful...
-Area MC5 has had all boxes removed, the core can no longer be accessed and the unarmed NPC has been removed.
Bugfixes
- Marked current Direct3D driver as "(D3D7)". Due to this, you may have to re-select the display mode (once).
- Fixed a bug that prevented NPCs needed for the Black Dragon quickjobs from spawning. The quickjobs should work now.
- Fixed a bug which crashed the server when executing certain GM commands under certain circumstances.
- Fixed the terminal system cheat violation; it did not always kick the player to the login menu.
- Character cannot be deleted anymore while the user is online with another client at the same time.
- Fixed a right-click use bug (there may still be others around).
- Fixed a bug where some turrets would be initialized twice when a zone was loaded, which consumed twice as much security slots -> leading to disappearing turrets.
- Fixed "portable GenRep" exploit.
- Fixed "portable GoGuardian" exploit.
- Added optional info string displaying reason for cheat violation kick in the login menu.
- Updated debug funktions for callstack.log.
- Optimized engine.dll compile settings, may increase render performance on some systems.
- Added additional checks/restrictions in sound manager, hopefully fixing large fps drop on certain sound effects (e.g. Copbot rifle sounds).
- "/set ctrl_sfxvolume 0" ends all active sound samples.
- Fixed several client-side memory leaks in the CityCom system.
- Fixed several server-side memory leaks.
- Fixed Crash in GM Tool / Info / Runner.
- Fixed CityCom Crash caused by ListBox elements (Clan Money, Clan Info...).
- Fixed even more CityCom memory leaks.
- Fixed "You need a higher repair level" message spam when trying to use a Remote Repair Tool without the required subskill level.
- Fixed a possible Fatal Error caused by chat messages arriving exactly when quitting to the Neocron main menu.
- Fixed some more exploits.
- Overcapped characters have been reset to cap values.
Pistols:
- Weight reworked.
- Range reworked.
- Changed PulseLaser Pistol's shot sound.
- Fixed Tangent MiniLauncher shot sound.
- Fixed Ryker Legacy N_v52 Nailgun shot sound.
- Fixed Ryker Napalm PP_v42 shot sound.
- Changed Nailgun clip size to 20 to match other pistols.
- Changed Gatlin Pistols ammo packs to 40 to match clip size.
- Fixed PulseLaser Pistol bug, re-raised frequency to 370r/m.
- Adjusted PulseLaser ammo consumption.
- Adjusted Automatic Pistol lineup's RoF to help with shot run on, and to add a bit of difference when compared to the Uzi lineup. RoF is 296r/m.
Rifles:
- Weight reworked
- Range reworked
- Fixed Gatlin Lineup's reload sound.
- Fixed PulseLaser Rifles bug, adjusted frequency to match assault rifles
Heavy Weapons:
- Weight reworked
- Range reworked
- Adjusted LaserCannon's ammo consumption and shot counts
- Fixed TPC's shot sound
- Fixed Ryker LaserCannon shot sound
- Fixed STORM Laser shot sound
- Fixed Prototype Tangent LaserBeam shot sound
- Fixed Tangent Gatlin Cannon shot sound
- Fixed Tangent SpeedGun shot sound
Melee:
- Revamped melee techlevels.
- Damage balanced.
- Weight reworked.
- TL17 Rusty Double-Edged Sword added.
- TL44 Baseball Bat added.
- TL80 Tai Chi Double-Edged Sword added.
- TL94 PEACEMAKER (Rare Baseball Bat) added.
- TL104 THE DENTIST (Rare Knuckles) added.
- Fixed Long LaserBlade II shot sound.
- Most melee weapons now do two types of damage.
- Beggar Electroshocker damage changed to proper Electroshocker damage type.
Drones:
- Revamped drone techlevels.
- Damage balanced
- Weight reworked
- Reduced "Drug Flash" effect when a drone is hit by 60%.
- Fixed A&W Basic Lightweight Attack Drone name
- Fixed A&W Lightweight Attack Drone name
- Renamed HEW Light War Drone RK-100 to HEW Light War Drone RK-50
- Renamed HEW Medium War Drone RK-100 to HEW Medium War Drone RK-250
- Renamed HEW Heavy War Drone RK-100 to HEW Heavy War Drone RK-500
- Renamed HEW Advanced War Drone RK-100 to HEW Advanced War Drone RK-1000
- Added TL87 A&W Hellfire Assault Drone GA-3 and sold in shops
- Slightly Reduced Gatlin Drone RoF
- The MOSQUITO is the anti-heal drone, RAPTOR is the rare gatling drone. Both have new models.
- New damage types for Drones. New damages are just the default damage total split across 2 damage types for non-rare and 3 damage types for the rares. As follows:
LowTech Non-Rare: Force, Pierce
LowTech Rare: Force, Pierce, Poison
HighTech Non-Rare: Energy, X-Ray
HighTech Rare: Energy, X-Ray, Fire
PSI:
- Weakened Parashock spells a bit.
- Removed the effects of Damageboost, Shelter and Deflector on Parashock freeze effect.
NPC's:
- NPC Specific Armor created (i.e. Doomreapers have high fire resistance, DOY units have high X-Ray resistance, mechanical monsters are resistant to poison...).
- Fixed a bunch of monster names.
- Fixed Terror Raptor/Terror Leaper Name/Model issues.
- Added a new script for Area MC5 NPCs.
- Soulclusters behavior fixed.
Vehicles:
- Upped range on V2 Wheeler, slightly decreased damage
- Upped range on Chaincraft and Hovertec Bikes
- Slightly increased Chaincraft bike damage
- Increased range of the missile weapons on vehicles
- Trike and Wheeler turrets can be turned again.
Misc. Items:
- Added Holovests. They can only be used by the Spy class and change the wearer's appearance to that of any other class and gender.
- Will remove Runs for Monk-, Spy- and PE-PA and in the next weeks and replace them with appropriate vendors (Monk in C06, Spy in TH, PE in Plaza/ViaRosso).
- Changed the algorithm that determines the number and type of parts required to build an item. Existing blueprints remain functional.
- Adjusted the base prices for all construction parts (weaponparts, vehicleparts etc.) for the new algorithm.
- Removed DEX requirements on stealth tools and replaced them with a spy class requirement. INT- and T-C-requirements remain unchanged.
- Re-added Strange Book drop. Any NPC able to drop rareparts (with exception of the MC5 Base Commander), can also drop Strange Books.
- Upped Special Riggers Interface WPW and RCL bonus to +15.
- Removed Ultima Mods and Slotenhancers from the rarepool and added them to the loot tables of the DOY tunnel mobs. The Ultima Mods only drop on the lowest levels of the tunnels.
- Twilight Guardian traders now also sell explosive ammo.
- Various items had typos fixed or havebeen renamed to something more fitting.
- Changed Gamonin to TL40
- Changed Ligustin to TL50
- Changed Nukleonon to TL60
- Changed Silicin to TL15
- Changed Fucoxanthin to TL13
- Changed Protoxylem to TL14
- Changed Explosive A to TL 29
- Changed Explosive B to TL 31
- Changed Adhaesin Super Connection Gel to TL 10
Drugs:
- Tylors Biochem and Medicare no longer sell lvl 4 and 5 drugs. Check your local drug dealer.
- Fireresist Potion now adds FIR+25
- Destrosol now only adds INT+3
- X-Strong adds, in addition to its current bonuses, FOR+20
- Destrosol Forte now adds INT+4 WEP+12 WPW+12
- Redflash now removes PSU-10 instead of HLT-10.
- Beast now adds H-C+25 instead of M-C+25 and removes HLT-10 instead of WEP-20
- Kri'nakh Nightshade removes HLT-15 instead of WEP-20
- Added new drug "Havenin". Adds PSI+3
- Added new drug "Dolinskin". Adds PSI+4 PSU+12, HCK+12, removes WEP-10
- Added new drug "Blue Fairy". Adds INT+5 WEP+18 WPW+15, removes ATL-10
- Added new drug "Nightspider". Adds PSI+5 PSU+20 IMP+16, removes FOR-15
Recycling:
- Added Leather Armorvest 1-3, Metal-Plated Armorvest 1-3 and Wiremesh Armorvest 1-3 (TL 4, 12 and 24 respectively). These items are not available in shops or constructable, but have to be recycled. The recipes are:
Leather Armorvest 1 - 3x Bloody Skin, 1x Tufts of Hair
Leather Armorvest 2 - 4x Bloody Skin, 4x Mutated Limbs
Leather Armorvest 3 - 5x Small Limbs, 2x Bloody Skin
Metal-Plated Armorvest 1 - 2x Metalplate, 4x Metalpipes
Metal-Plated Armorvest 2 - 4x Metalplate, 3x Metalpipes
Metal-Plated Armorvest 3 - 6x Metalplate, 2x Metalpipes
Wiremesh Armorvest 1 - 2x Small Limbs, 2x Wire Junk
Wiremesh Armorvest 2 - 3x Small Limbs, 1x Wire Junk, 4x Cable
Wiremesh Armorvest 3 - 4x Small Limbs, 2x Cable, 2x Processor
- Added recycling recipes for Junkknife, Beggar Nailgun, Beggar Electroshocker, Mendicant Rifle, Mendicant SMG, Lazar Rifle and Lazar Gun. The recipes are:
Junkknife - 1x Metalplate, 1x Wood, 2x Wire Junk
Beggar Nailgun - 1x Metalpipes, 1x Wire Junk, 1x Metalplate, 2x Small Hydraulic Parts
Beggar Electroshocker - 1x Metalpipes, 2x Wire Junk, 1x Processor
Mendicant Rifle - 3x Metalplate, 1x Metalpipes, 3x Wire Junk
Mendicant SMG - 3x Wood, 1x Metalplate, 1x Metalpipes, 1x Wire Junk
Lazar Rifle - 5x Wood, 1x Metalpipes
Lazar Gun - 3x Wood, 1x Metalpipes, 2x Metalplate
Misc. Gameplay Changes
- Changed Generep Danger Indications.
- Redone code for item drops.
- Redone XP-gain-formula for build/repair/research/implant/recycle and increased XP gains for research and construction.
- When reaching the money cap of 20,000,000 NC, the money will no longer be cut down to 18,000,000 but instead stay at 20,000,000.
Outpost Turrets
- Turrets can no longer be placed if the player has stealth activated.
- Increased armor and hitpoints of all outpost turret types.
- Turrets now need 60, 80 or 100 Construction skill to place.
- Poison, DamageBoost etc no longer have an effect on outpost turrets.
aaaah cool
edit..... onoz... immortalized with the 1st post :)
hi everyone.. if ya see me on saturn wave at Apoc :P
great job on the addition of trade xp... there are times when there is no one on and res/cst 100 of this or that gets sooo boring with no real xp turn around... i look forward to see how the tweak works out
aaaaaaaand omg finaaaaaaaaaaaaLLy racetrack GR!!!!
Damn. :o
I mean Yay! :rolleyes:
How much was Parashock weakened by?
Fantastic, too much to read, but fantastic :D
Edit * Ok read them, now (whipes drool from keyboard)
wub j00 KK
//edit:
when can we expect the patch on ftp?
as well as some new junk that could be useful...
In other words? :lol:
Hehe. :D
I have a reason to play again!
w00t, uber stuff!! maybe pluto will have more than 60 peeps on now at peak times <3
Aziraphale
27-05-04, 12:34
Lots of very nice changes in there :) Looks like KK really tried hard on this patch, and took a lot of input from the community.
<3 KK
However, if I'm not mistaken they appear to have nerfed the Healing Light :(
</3 KK
What will happen to the current Mosquito drones, will they become the Anti heal drones (mosquitos) or the gatling drones (Raptor)?
Ikari will all spam us madly with these drone patches :p
omg yes this rocks.... and now if i hear another spy bitch at all about lack of goodies in the next couple months, ima hunt you down and carve out your mothers eyes infront you =P *really wont to lazy heh* YA FOR THE PATCH now we can all fight over who gets to explore the tunnels =)
Read through them again.
It's truely and awesome patch.
My favoraite bit is the Black Dragon change with Drugs.
I wonder how many tid-bits they sneeked in...
Patch is on the FTP server now at a massive 14.4 mb.
Removed the effects of Damageboost, Shelter and Deflector on Parashock freeze effect.
whats this mean
I have the PATCH!!! but sadly i canot login yet :(
//Edit : You gotta love 8Mbit :)
whats this mean
I guess S/D made Para less, and DB made it more.
At least SC are fixed now.
What kind of mobs will we find in the tunnels to DOY ???
Dribble Joy
27-05-04, 12:47
SEX.
mmmm bacon.
Nice patch too.
NERF THE HOLOVESTS!!!oneoneone
:p
Patch looks great! muchly appreciated :D
EDIT: hmm, me thinks i'll disguise myself as a tank so ppl might team me in the new tunnels :lol:
Glorfindel
27-05-04, 12:47
Finally :D
- Removed the effects of Damageboost, Shelter and Deflector on Parashock freeze effect.
I know I'm tired... but I just don't understand this line... there are Damageboost, Shelter and Deflector effects in Parashock? Someone please make me smart for a second to understand this change :(
Otherwise... holy shit awesome fucking patch :D
it like 15 minutes left till they start the servers again right??
What kind of mobs will we find in the tunnels to DOY ???special wtfpwned mobs when u zone in the tunnel :D
Oh boy I wanna see how belts will be there at the entrances :angel:
Anyway mobs ranging from 80-120
special wtfpwned mobs when u zone in the tunnel :D
Oh boy I wanna see how belts will be there at the entrances :angel:
Anyway mobs raging from 80-120
I can see what will happen. Everyone will pile into one of the entrances, be like "Coooool", then concentrate on eliminating all enemies and not test the mobs out.
...
Oh boy I wanna see how belts will be there at the entrances :angel:
Piles of them, as on the Testserver :)
special wtfpwned mobs when u zone in the tunnel :D
Oh boy I wanna see how belts will be there at the entrances :angel:
Anyway mobs raging from 80-120
Well that sounds nice :) i guess i won´t be going there for awhile... gotta get my chars up to scratch :)
[TgR]KILLER
27-05-04, 12:52
hehe nice patch.. first thing i gonna do is check my char over :p check my rifle.. then go out and buy myself a spare PA ^^ cause i only got 1 and i got that since the day PA's were put on :p
hmm.. gotta check those tunnels to.. meh so much to do =)
sweet!
Can't wait to get home now.
Really looking forward to it.
Shall be researching tonight baby.
Mighty Max
27-05-04, 12:54
I know I'm tired... but I just don't understand this line... there are Damageboost, Shelter and Deflector effects in Parashock? Someone please make me smart for a second to understand this change :(
Otherwise... holy shit awesome fucking patch :D
As i understand that, DB + Parashock were extremely glued. Now DB + Parashock = glued like with only Parashock.
Someone mentioned you can d/l the patch via the ftp sever, would ya mind sharing the URL please :)
Someone mentioned you can d/l the patch via the ftp sever, would ya mind sharing the URL please :)
ftp://ftp.neocron.com/retailpatches/
and it's up as of now (14.4MB)
That was why it was hard to find the problem with para - it was actually an unforseen impact on para from DB, shelters etc. I bet CoDi was tearing his hair out before he figured it out. ;)
The ftp address is ftp://neocron.com/retailpatches
N
/edit - bah, beaten to the ftp address. I'm gonna banz0r you for that!
That was why it was hard to find the problem with para - it was actually an unforseen impact on para from DB, shelters etc. I bet CoDi was tearing his hair out before he figured it out. ;)Ohhh
Leather Armorvest 1 - 3x Bloody Skin, 1x Tufts of Hair
He can recycle this then :D
awkward silence
27-05-04, 13:00
I seems its time for awkward silence to die due to being useless.
Maybe rerolling to spy?
Im pissed anyway since PE is useless again. =(
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otherwise the best patch ive seen but couldnt give a shit
ftp://ftp.neocron.com/retailpatches/
and it's up as of now (14.4MB)
Well, technically it was up as of 11:44 BST when I made the post stating it.
I would set up a mirror, if I had somewhere to upload the file to.
I seems its time for awkward silence to die due to being useless.
Maybe rerolling to spy?
Im pissed anyway since PE is useless again. =(
Except for soloPKing and PvM the PE was always the most useless char in a fight. The removal of Stealth from PEs was necessary cause of the abuse of it.
The PE should have been made LONG ago a actually worthy class to fight with, but you know DoY will balance everything :rolleyes:
If you want to keep the PE playstyle just make a (Pistol)Spy. 10 min Shelter drug + Stealth + Executioneer = wohoo :D, maany dead enemies (I expect "nerf the spy" whining threads from nibish tanks and monks)
Overall good patch. KK should decide *how* all the charclasses should be like in the future, if they want to make one step towards balance after 100s backwards (Result of it: 1 (in the whole 1.5 years of NC Retail) comparably useless class [PE], Monk domination on the battlefield etc..).
The ftp address is ftp://neocron.com/retailpatchesI thought they were at the Patch Center @ http://www.neocron.com/patcher/index.php?PAGE=patch&LANG=eng&PORT=8040&IP=62.140.29.54
PE's are not useless.
Hmpf!
Aziraphale
27-05-04, 13:14
I seems its time for awkward silence to die due to being useless.
Maybe rerolling to spy?
Im pissed anyway since PE is useless again. =(
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otherwise the best patch ive seen but couldnt give a shit
No offense, but if you can't play a PE without stealth then you must suck somewhat.
This patch looks fucking awesome...
KK really need a pat on the back for this. Thankyou.
Oh and to all the imbeciles that say KK don't listen:
- Fixed a bug that prevented NPCs needed for the Black Dragon quickjobs from spawning. The quickjobs should work now.
^^ I reported that bug :)
l33t... can't wait to get home from work :)
PE's are not useless.
Hmpf!
for the 1341254th time:
I am more effective with ANY other class. Yes, a PE still does dmg, but I see no reason to go to a fight with him when I have every other class at my disposal and perform far more effective with them.
I think PEs should never have gotten stealth, therefore Stealth removal=good
But what kind of reason do I have to fight with a PE? Not now, but over the whole NC history? They were half decent as long as spys weren't boosted and Monkocron wasn't here, but now they tied the PE effectiveness in fights to a PPU, and I simply deal more dmg with a tank or APU.
That's what I do not like, about how they changed the PE all the time from the past to now.
Maester Seymour
27-05-04, 13:22
wow that patch looks really great.
Well worth the wait :D
Dribble Joy
27-05-04, 13:26
I am more effective with ANY other class. Yes, a PE still does dmg, but I see no reason to go to a fight with him when I have every other class at my disposal and perform far more effective with them.
*cough*SC:S*cough*
on the subject of PEs, check out the improved redflash, beast and the new nightspider. even using just one is a big boost to a PE. but, sadly, far more to a pistol PE (less reliant on WEP) than a rifle PE. should i just LOM?
also, since the game is obviously going to get far more drug-oriented, can we please have our reloading QBs or extra QB slots or drug slots so that drugs can be at least a little easier to use.
OMG fucking l33test patch ever very very nice
Removed the effects of Damageboost, Shelter and Deflector on Parashock freeze effect.
edit:
That was why it was hard to find the problem with para - it was actually an unforseen impact on para from DB, shelters etc. I bet CoDi was tearing his hair out before he figured it out.
Ah I think I get it :)
Looks like this is gonna be a great patch
Dribble Joy
27-05-04, 13:40
on the subject of PEs, check out the improved redflash, beast and the new nightspider. even using just one is a big boost to a PE. but, sadly, far more to a pistol PE (less reliant on WEP) than a rifle PE. should i just LOM?
Everyone is benefiting from the new drugs, HC PEs, spies, PEs, tanks, it's all good.
But it will be harder to get hold of them.
"- Added Holovests. They can only be used by the Spy class and change the wearer's appearance to that of any other class and gender."
Ohh!! Coooooolness!
"- Added recycling recipes for ... Mendicant Rifle, Mendicant SMG"
There goes the collection value :\
"- Changed Generep Danger Indications."
Danger indications...the what indications?
"- Redone XP-gain-formula for build/repair/research/implant/recycle and increased XP gains for research and construction."
About time - thanks^65536!
___T-X____
27-05-04, 13:47
Expect people to reactivate accounts and up your profits.
Looks like u fixed the game
Mighty Max
27-05-04, 13:49
"- Changed Generep Danger Indications."[/b]
Danger indications...the what indications?
Like "safe" "very safe" "critical" "dangerous" etc
Is the server up again, or are they still patching ???
Everyone is benefiting from the new drugs, HC PEs, spies, PEs, tanks, it's all good.
indeed.
But it will be harder to get hold of them.
what, exactly, does "Check your local drug dealer" actually mean? just another NPC vendor? please tell me we won't have to do a "run". i hate the runs (oo'er).
Dribble Joy
27-05-04, 13:55
what, exactly, does "Check your local drug dealer" actually mean? just another NPC vendor? please tell me we won't have to do a "run". i hate the runs (oo'er).
Drugs such as redflash, destrol forte, etc. are not in crytons any more, go search PP.
Private Eye
Teck Pe Nerfed
Melee Pe Nerfed (Drugs & Perhaps Weapon)
Droner Pe Boosted
H-C Pe Boosted (in regards to VHC)
Low level Pe Boosted: Given more Low Level Armour.
Tank
Melee Tank Given sum TLC.
Heavy Tank can no longer use Drugs to Hybrid with Melee. Tanks can probabally cap ROF with drugs.
Psi Monk
APU Boost in regards to PA.
PPU Bugfixes, Balanced & Boost in regards to PA.
Spy
Generall Spy has New Toys
CST spy is more important in Outpost wars.
Aziraphale
27-05-04, 13:58
what, exactly, does "Check your local drug dealer" actually mean? just another NPC vendor? please tell me we won't have to do a "run". i hate the runs (oo'er).
I would imagine it means Tsunami and Black Dragon vendors, though perhaps not mainstreet ones.
I know of a particularly good Tsunami shop, but it's hidden ^_^ I was like "COOOOOL :D :D :D" when I found it, I love finding secret stuff like that.
Dribble Joy
27-05-04, 14:00
O_o TS don't do drugs.....
prolly gonna be from the drug dealers in the jail :)
sweeeeeet.
Bleh, i'm still at work. :(
O_o TS don't do drugs.....
What he said.
Tsunami are firmly against Drugs.
Psi Monk
APU Boost in regards to PA.
PPU Bugfixes, Balanced & Boost in regards to PA.
What changes have been made?
humm im still kinda confused over the para thing and shelters.. it has been explained but still dont get it O_o
P!tch Black
27-05-04, 14:05
very nice patch. Cant wait to get on test everything out
humm im still kinda confused over the para thing and shelters.. it has been explained but still dont get it O_o
Shelter used to protect against Parashock freeze, and Damamge boost used to amplify parashock freeze.
This wasn't ment to be the case.
KK didn't know how to balance Para because they didn't know about the effects Damage Boost & Shelter had on it.
Now they do, and it has been balanced accoridngly.
Shelter used to protect against Parashock freeze, and Damamge boost used to amplify parashock freeze.
This wasn't ment to be the case.
KK didn't know how to balance Para because they didn't know about the effects Damage Boost & Shelter had on it.
Now they do, and it has been balanced accoridngly.Was it really like this?
I thought shelter and dmg boost both amplified the freeze effect.
very sexy, although the secret books are in i take it the termi run aint yet
Was it really like this?
I thought shelter and dmg boost both amplified the freeze effect.
You may be correct.
just thought of something...the weapons you can recycle...can u still get slots? and i take it your recycle skill effects stats the same as your Cst did
aaaaaand servers are up again :D
Hmm.... all my character level ranks went down.
example= i had a full capped PE level 70 now im 65 :eek:
same thing with my tank and apu? is this a bug or did KK take xp from everyone trying to fix the lamers who were over capped? what gives?
also... that NEW alt tab and you get black screen when u tab back has got to be one of the most annoying bugs KK intentionally left in the game.
good going? for the sake of future development? wtf isnt that what the test server is for?
im so close to just saying screw this game and not even getting doy. its just not worth it. with the track record this version of the game has, what is there to reassure me we wont have this sideshow in bdoy?
Very cool patch... looking good (especially as I am a spy and get some new toys to play with)
Just got to wait until I get home from work now before I can test... I bet the DoY tunnels will be packed with everyone... but with the removal of the DEX requirement I should be able to use the obliterator!!!!! Anyone got any parts to sell 8|
Hmm.... all my character level ranks went down.
example= i had a full capped PE level 70 now im 65 :eek:
same thing with my tank and apu? is this a bug or did KK take xp from everyone trying to fix the lamers who were over capped? what gives?
also... that NEW alt tab and you get black screen when u tab back has got to be one of the most annoying bugs KK intentionally left in the game.
good going? for the sake of future development? wtf isnt that what the test server is for?
The rank change was to eliminate the "6th stat" phenomenon.
Thread merged. Keep patch discussion here please.
N
Great Patch!!!
Anyone successfully applied the patch? I downloaded it from the FTP and now shit loads of files are broken when I click the 'Play Neocron' button :confused:
so wtf... ur hard cap rank is now 65...
what the fuck? someone log in your gm... i want to see if this is true or not. 6th stat is what gives them the */127 rank.
where are you getting this info from? cuz i dont see it in the patch notes and ur not kk so are u just talking out ur 4th point of contact or?
what the fuck? someone log in your gm... i want to see if this is true or not. 6th stat is what gives them the */127 rank.
Wouldn't it make more sense for the GMs to have 127 in all 5 stats O_o
@Capt. Rik: Delete all the files which it says are corrupt, and let the auto-patcher deal with it
EDIT: The above method for the corrupt files works, as I am now in game.
@Capt. Rik: Delete all the files which it says are corrupt, and let the auto-patcher deal with it
Yup cheers, doing that now.
Do some revision Morganth!! =p :lol:
FACT: all rifle PAs turned into pistol PAs
I need new rifle PA2 now, and the PA3 I already hade needs to be replaced too now :(
Eledhbrant
27-05-04, 14:34
They said the 6th stat thing was a bug, there was no stat there just a bug that gave you rank increase *as if one was there*. Since you didnt have a way to level this stat it only leveled through missions.
GMs have 255 INT DEX STR CON PSI, your level going up determines your second rank, hence why gms are /127.
Soooo since the bug stat is now gone every character's rank is reduced to what they would *or should* have been as if the stat was never there.
Sucks a bit though, I liked my /71 Spy :/
Resurrect the 6th stat :p
EDIT: This will suck majorly for all those Jupiter monks, I swear every second one was /71 or above o_O
FACT: all rifle PAs turned into pistol PAs
Wrong thread. Post it in patch facts if you haven't already done so.
N
after all that hard work trying to get my ranks to 70
I hear drugs are uber expensive now.
will this open up the game for a real drug market?
I hope so
Wrong thread. Post it in patch facts if you haven't already done so.
N
ok, soz, will do :)
[edit]SmorkZork already posted it there, so bleh..
P!tch Black
27-05-04, 14:46
anyone else noticed the emotes are broken?
after all that hard work trying to get my ranks to 70
I'm gonna miss my rank 71 too mate, this is just horrible, my char ain't cool now. Now he's just a standard PE :(
are the emotes been removed? or are they broken?Well the only one anyone used the sex emote anyeay, lol but still should still be there
apart from that NICE PATCH :D
Oh and yeah the /xx has dropped from the 6th stat being removed
Has anyone had a look at the new 3d models and stuff?
[TgR]KILLER
27-05-04, 15:10
well there goes likes 100 hours of work.. my nice 69/70 PE down to shit.. 69/65 that totaly utterly sucks.. why the fuck dit they remove the "6th stat" any bloody good reason to ?
KILLER']well there goes likes 100 hours of work.. my nice 69/70 PE down to shit.. 69/65 that totaly utterly sucks.. why the fuck dit they remove the "6th stat" any bloody good reason to ?
it was a bug. developers fix bugs, they fixed the 6th stat bug, lol simple as really and as people have been whining alot latly they have fixed alot of bugs sadly for some including the 6th stat one
KILLER']well there goes likes 100 hours of work.. my nice 69/70 PE down to shit.. 69/65 that totaly utterly sucks.. why the fuck dit they remove the "6th stat" any bloody good reason to ?
i wonder what i have gone to from 67/62 then :-\
Mumblyfish
27-05-04, 15:14
Sure that the Spy PA vendors and the camoflague suits are ingame? Searched all over for them and got nothing.
Maybe I'm just not trying hard enough...
Bah, shut up, it's good for tank's relative combat ranks lol
[TgR]KILLER
27-05-04, 15:14
bug or not it was there for years it was doing fuck all harm.. it was a way for capped ppl to differ from others.. with a good imp setup like 99% of the PE's will be /65 now all the same again..
this aint a fix its stripped down 1 more thing how people could be different from eachother.. soon we'll all be the same again joy :rolleyes:
KILLER']
this aint a fix its stripped down 1 more thing how people could be different from eachother.. soon we'll all be the same again joy :rolleyes:
Fix your signature pls :p
Doh, guess I can wave bye-bye to my 63/73 rank then :/
Garg [RogueNET]
27-05-04, 15:32
Im going to buy a drom for MJS... great patch!
DigestiveBiscui
27-05-04, 15:32
Damn Well Say Where They Are - Or Give A Fucking Hint
revslads spy still has /71 :O
hax!
Mumblyfish
27-05-04, 15:42
I suspect that the PA NPCs (at least the Spy PA) and the Camoflague Suit NPCs have been forgotten about. It'd be typical, at least.
SPIKE (pluto)
27-05-04, 15:46
-Added the DoY tunnel network. The entrances are situated all over the Wastelands and look like bunkers. The tunnels are considered a military area and all trespassers will be shot, regardless of faction. The enemies in the tunnels have a chance of dropping (complete) Slotenhancers, Ultima Mods and Rareparts as well as some new junk that could be useful...
SEX! :p
Garg [RogueNET]
27-05-04, 15:48
ahahahah this is the first post without "NERF!! OMFG WHINE!!!!""
didnt the notes say they were gunna be "staged in"
Mumblyfish
27-05-04, 15:50
didnt the notes say they were gunna be "staged in"
No. The notes said "added".
whats the problem, not able to get ingame till 10pm tonight so whats KK done now?
DigestiveBiscui
27-05-04, 15:53
1. they havent said where the holovests are
2. they moved the drugs
[TgR]KILLER
27-05-04, 15:55
can't find the bloody monk PA for my m8's monkey to..
- Will remove Runs for Monk-, Spy- and PE-PA and in the next weeks and replace them with appropriate vendors (Monk in C06, Spy in TH, PE in Plaza/ViaRosso).so you gunna have to wait a little while for the AP
[edit[ that can be read in 2 ways, either there gunna remove the runs in the next weeks, or put the new ones in in the next weeks, or am i dumb?
- Will remove Runs for Monk-, Spy- and PE-PA and in the next weeks and replace them with appropriate vendors (Monk in C06, Spy in TH, PE in Plaza/ViaRosso).
- Tylors Biochem and Medicare no longer sell lvl 4 and 5 drugs. Check your local drug dealer.
don't you just hate those things that are staring you right in the face
Mumblyfish
27-05-04, 15:57
To be honest, I loved the exploration. I loved racing to be one of the first to find the camoflague armour. But when it dawned on me that the NPCs probably aren't even in...
Grr... patch notes need to be clearer regarding "is added" and "is added, but not yet ingame".
Are there two diferent sets of notes?
Because "will add in the next weeks" is kind of, sort of, well, pretty damn clear.
Aziraphale
27-05-04, 16:01
I think it's fun going out and finding the new stuff, me and Mumbly hunted the globe for the holovest, not there :(
Tried to find a BD drug dealer selling 4/5 drugs too, couldnt find them, but found a secret passageway ^_^
I really hope they havent made Holovests a rare item, that would suck nuts :(
I guess since i'm tangent, i'll be stocking up on pa's before they move to TH then :-)
I think it's fun going out and finding the new stuff, me and Mumbly hunted the globe for the holovest, not there :(
Tried to find a BD drug dealer selling 4/5 drugs too, couldnt find them, but found a secret passageway ^_^
I really hope they havent made Holovests a rare item, that would suck nuts :(
have you tried the dealer in BD secret HQ or the guy at elfarid?
[TgR]KILLER
27-05-04, 16:15
check the thread were the patchnotes are in..
Last edited by CoDi : Today at 13:23. Reason: Updated note about PA runs
Fucking hell, MJS dude must have had you guys on a leash and whipped you if you didnt get this patch right.
After d/l this patch when I was on for about 15 mins it was like a godsend for me. Usually before everytime I logged in, I was either in synch hell, had an inventory bug or had the no SL or money bug everytime or crashed at least 4-5 times within 15 mins. But after keeping logging in and out for a few times to see if the bugs were still there I was well happy they weren't.
Even though you have resetted the rank to default (shame really as I liked my 78/71*** rank). To date this has become one of the few patches that has made the game stable. So next time making a patch, tell MJS dude not to give u food, money, beer until you get it right like this one you have just done and I'd rather wait for a complete and stable patch instead of a patch which comes out with a million bugs.
DigestiveBiscui
27-05-04, 16:36
nothing in that thread really
no one can find them lol
^^ didnt they say in notes, that PA sellers would come within the next weeks ?
anyways, I do believe there is a PSI drug NPC in either Plaza 3 or Pepper Park 3.. not sure which.
Original monk
27-05-04, 16:44
i didnt tried the patch yet .. so im still very curious, poor angeldust and he's 76 tank (xp2 heart) :/ who isnt 76 nomore ffcourse ...
anything changed that wasnt in the patchnotes ?? anything changed for hybrids not in the patch ??
anyways, have fun and i cant wait to get home :)
(anyone tried mc5 ??)
Its good to have things that we have to find out instead of being told where it all is.
i hear they had firing squad ready and aimed :p
[TgR]KILLER
27-05-04, 16:48
stable ? :lol:
logged in.. had no gogo, weapon in slot 1 was gone to.. after 3 times relogging it was finaly back.. been stuck in a sync 2 times to.. :rolleyes:
for me usually when i log in 100% of the time, I'm always bugged, but ur right about the gogo bug its still there but when logging in I haven't had any problems yet.
Its good to have things that we have to find out instead of being told where it all is.
for some things ya, but when your a drug hungry char you wanna know where you supply is ;)
A drug hungry char should always have a supply on him... :) And you can always recycle the drugs...
A drug hungry char should always have a supply on him... :) And you can always recycle the drugs...
bahh always need more though
A drug hungry char should always have a supply on him... :) And you can always recycle the drugs...
Yup, but when your Destrosol and destrosol forte supply turned into useless drugs since they dont give PSI anymore, and you use it to activate your PA then you got what I call a serious problem. I got like 10 of each in gogo that ain't worth anything. Thus i'll have to sell them for almost nothing at medicare :/
Maloch Octavia
27-05-04, 17:10
Has anyone got the Tunnel Entrance locations?
I'm just about to log in for the first time after the new patch, so some advanced info would be welcome.
i got like 33 corrupted files, all doy tunnel files....
they take ages to DL with the autopatcher...
what to do, what to do?
PE &Spy PA vendors are still at foster so dont worry too much...
And as for the moved drugs you can get them in PP (surprise...) of course, more specifically - on BD turf...
:rolleyes:
New drugs are sold by Trader Union merchant in P3
I think.... that this patch is going to be remembered in NC history as the point where NC started back on the right track. :D
Fucking ace job KK.
EDIT: I would also like to point out... the drugs changes are, how shall I put it? One of the most fucking awesome things ever, and combined with the recylcing lowlevel armour/weapons.... man this rules.
well there goes likes 100 hours of work.. my nice 69/70 PE down to shit.. 69/65 that totaly utterly sucks.. why the fuck dit they remove the "6th stat" any bloody good reason to ?
You're retarted for spending 100 hours on a number that doesn't change ANYTHING.
Overcapped characters have been reset to cap values.
well not on the citycom runner statistics u aint o_O
Mumblyfish
27-05-04, 17:27
A few suggested changes:
More recyclable armour that can be better than storebought stuff. Maybe even mesh armour that gives like +4 agility. And make it cover all parts of the body.
Tone down the DoY tunnels so all classes can enjoy them. Primary word here is enjoy.
More MC5s. Hasn't that been in the pipeline for some time?
Camo suits plz kthx :lol:
Other than that, my primary whinge being the bloody daft tunnel design, awesome patch.
Can someone move some of the drug dealer locations? I mean, hell - in p2 you're buying and selling right in front of a patrolling copbot.
:lol:
Known bug: For most users, Alt-Tabbing out of the game leaves the screen black. This bug is caused by code parts preparing for the switch to DirectX 9. We decided not to fix this bug as we want to and have to focus our development resources on DoY.
If you rely on using programs like instant messengers or voice com while playing Neocron, you should use Neocron's window modus and enlarge the window to fill your screen. To do that, open the neocron.ini in Neocron's main folder with a text editor and edit the line PREFMODENAME (to get windowmode) and add the line PREFWINDOWSIZE (to set the size of the window).
Example:
PREFMODENAME = "WindowMode"
PREFWINDOWSIZE = "1024x768" (adjust this to your desktop resolution)
ok i done this,so why is neo all dark? i changed all gamma and brightness out ov game and in game but its done nowt :confused:
whats the deal with the strange book, they seem to be dropping as often as last time :confused: i hope they are not bloody broke
and where is the npc to do the run? or hasnt he been spawned
Sure that the Spy PA vendors and the camoflague suits are ingame? Searched all over for them and got nothing.
Maybe I'm just not trying hard enough...
They're beeing added later on as the patch said. Meanwhile - i checked the area near foster and the original PA (Spy/PE) sellers are still there...
Known bug: For most users, Alt-Tabbing out of the game leaves the screen black. This bug is caused by code parts preparing for the switch to DirectX 9. We decided not to fix this bug as we want to and have to focus our development resources on DoY.
If you rely on using programs like instant messengers or voice com while playing Neocron, you should use Neocron's window modus and enlarge the window to fill your screen. To do that, open the neocron.ini in Neocron's main folder with a text editor and edit the line PREFMODENAME (to get windowmode) and add the line PREFWINDOWSIZE (to set the size of the window).
Example:
PREFMODENAME = "WindowMode"
PREFWINDOWSIZE = "1024x768" (adjust this to your desktop resolution)
ok i done this,so why is neo all dark? i changed all gamma and brightness out ov game and in game but its done nowt :confused:
Not sure WHY exactly, but all 3D Games designed for full screen I've seen so far are much much darker when run inside a window.
DigestiveBiscui
27-05-04, 17:47
nd the holovests?
Mumblyfish
27-05-04, 17:47
HusK']Not sure WHY exactly, but all 3D Games designed for full screen I've seen so far are much much darker when run inside a window.
Because windowed games can't have their gamma altered.
whats the hotfix about?
Hotfix #199 Notes:
- Fixed problem with french language files that caused the french version to crash when loading.
- Gave the Pistol Spy PA the correct name of Inflitration suit, Rifle PA is called Asassination suit.
- Monk PAs remove the correct -10/-15/-20/-25 AGL now.
Nothing special.
There is a Dealer NPC is located in Plaza 3:
At the beginning of the corridor towards PP1 (turn right at the DRE HQ, and he's straight ahead of you).
He's got all the new and old drugs.
nice changes o_O :wtf: 8| :D
KILLER']stable ? :lol:
logged in.. had no gogo, weapon in slot 1 was gone to.. after 3 times relogging it was finaly back.. been stuck in a sync 2 times to.. :rolleyes:
That was just to make you feel at home again :p
Because windowed games can't have their gamma altered.
hrmm i feel my nc accounts slipping away :( yes its a winge, but i cant play without being able to alt tab for various reasons,and i cant play while nc is so fuckin dark,its unplayable :(
either turn up your monitor settings or turn up your gamma settings in windows display settings :wtf:
I agree though, inabilty to alt-tab is very annoying (well I guess it would, not back home from work yet arggg)
in my oh so humble oppinion, I think this patch should never have made it to retail withoud the alt+tab bug fixed on TS first.
The time they spend making certain changes was better spend removing this bug which affects everyone, instead of some.
Now I don't mean to be rude, this patch is great and all, and even though I'm a PE I won't complain about not getting enough sex and all ;) but big bugs are biiiiiigggg bugs, and no reason is good enough for me to keep them from fixed. If time is so valuable (which I can understand) to work on doy... then I rather have not such big patches, but rather smaller patches withoud big bugs. (in this case, just one big bug, but still big and more than annoying)
Outside of that, it is a very nice patch.
On a side note, before the flaming starts: I've never ever whined about any patch, infact I have never ever really bothered to reply to a retail patch before, but this bug is imho to big to overlook, and for crying out load is well known for over 3 TS patches now.
Aren't the holovests at MB?
It's SO typical. We wait weeks...nay MONTHS, years, time best measured in passing ice ages, for a new patch. Then, clearly JUST to mock me, they release TWO in the one week I am on 56k. Damn you! :D
I'd be a little peeved if the patch wasn't so darn sexy :)
Ah well, only 1 hr and 15 mins to go.
slaughteruall
27-05-04, 18:07
To bad I will be here at work for another 4 hours.
get a proper net connection for christ sake :p
What the fuck.... there are drug dealers in the main city?
And there was I thinking that KK had finally done something right for once. :rolleyes:
HusK']in my oh so humble oppinion, I think this patch should never have made it to retail withoud the alt+tab bug fixed on TS first.
The time they spend making certain changes was better spend removing this bug which affects everyone, instead of some.
Now I don't mean to be rude, this patch is great and all, and even though I'm a PE I won't complain about not getting enough sex and all ;) but big bugs are biiiiiigggg bugs, and no reason is good enough for me to keep them from fixed. If time is so valuable (which I can understand) to work on doy... then I rather have not such big patches, but rather smaller patches withoud big bugs. (in this case, just one big bug, but still big and more than annoying)
Outside of that, it is a very nice patch.
On a side note, before the flaming starts: I've never ever whined about any patch, infact I have never ever really bothered to reply to a retail patch before, but this bug is imho to big to overlook, and for crying out load is well known for over 3 TS patches now.
Well said. I was stunned to see that first paragraph even after knowing KK this long.
Nice patch =)
WOW!!!! There can be some sort of recycler atm.... to bad they are only to TL 25....
Would be cool with some POR + "add a resist here" with good res and some other goodies to REALLY make them good at what they do, shame it took over 2 years to make it ˝ the way :(
"OR" that they modded the PA with 1 thing extra to make it better PA in the end.. -> extreme RECYLCING like * 1,5 the TL or something
I feel your pain brutha
65% complete
28 mins to go
3.74k/sec
then its time for 199, which Im sure is minute in comparision
well lets hope anyways =)
Magic Sausage
27-05-04, 18:14
Yeah i don't like the idea of waiting 4 months for my alt + tab to be fixed
115 k/s 2 min to go :(
I feel the same pain.....
HatchetRyda
27-05-04, 18:17
2 more hours of Tech Center, then gotta pack up to go to my Dads. Then play maybe for an hour or so.. Then Friday, have to get off early cause teh F@ther wants the computer.. So, gotta bring my own and hope to play when having OP wars.
Anyone get a dentist or peacemaker, yet?
Garg [RogueNET]
27-05-04, 18:20
took me 20secs to download :lol:
... sorry i know the feeling of 56k.... 8|
It's taken me all this time just to reload the thread after I've posted, refresh to read the replies, then get this page open to reply. I hate 56k so much :lol:
I heard the words no one should ever hear today "We're not sure your line can support ADSL, we'll have to run further checks."
Needless to say if it can't I'm moving house again. 56k for 3 months? No bloody chance. I couldn't PPU worth shit on 56k :p
Original monk
27-05-04, 18:22
Its good to have things that we have to find out instead of being told where it all is.
you sound like a teacher, ya only forgot the :o emoticon, to say it in a more polite way then the post i edited myself a sec ago ...
but nm, i understand you dont wonna spoil it for the 99% of the others, il go check it out myself :) im home now
have fun ingame
whats melee like post patch?
STEALTH CHANGE ALERT :p
They updated the aggie cellers! :eek:
Theyve added chunky fencing around and over the grated floor which drones fell through also removed the large pipes it seems on pluto anyway.
The invisible walls are sill there though from where the large pipes were to sopt people getting behind would be nice getting those moved as the pipes arnt there no more.
Attachments are pics of changed aggie cellers:
oh and erm
for some reason it says "Gained sympathy with (Insert red faction here)" when im not actua;ly getting points
[TgR]KILLER
27-05-04, 18:48
i'v been getting that gained symp with ... to tho not getting points gues we'll get hotfix 200 soon :p
i think most of the numbered patches have been hot fixes :p
edit: what %age aiming can HC tanks get on the CS now with the beast drug giving +25 H-C, and does it make much diffrence to the first rank?
hehe, everyone elses Rank drops..... Mine has gone up.
hehe
Darth Slayer
27-05-04, 19:17
Heh will be fun playing with Holovests but most ppl know each other on Uranus so when they see me running over the hill as a Tank somehow I don't think they'll be fooled...... :lol:
But very nice patch.
Oh and all you PE whinorz How the fuck did u all play without stealth before ?
Heh will be fun playing with Holovests but most ppl know each other on Uranus so when they see me running over the hill as a Tank somehow I don't think they'll be fooled...... :lol:
But very nice patch.
Oh and all you PE whinorz How the fuck did u all play without stealth before ?
they were proberbly hybrid monks, then when they got nerfed they saw that stealth was just as godly on there PEs
My rank went up too by a few numbers.
I didn't do a single mission.
I also seem to be the only person who can use Alt-Tab. :confused:
I'm on Windows 98 still, maybe that has something to do with it.
Dribble Joy
27-05-04, 19:27
I also seem to be the only person who can use Alt-Tab. :confused:
I'm on Windows 98 still, maybe that has something to do with it.
Alt+Tab works fine in windowed mode.
Sick patch, thought it would be uber but i hate it atm.
Melee damage is sick, the handheld small freezers are fucking better then holy para O_o . Wtf, if ur gona give melee tanks uberspeed, uberdefence, uberfreeze you could of tossed the HC tank a bone. fucking hell....
gaining SL like mad in comparison to before the patch
melee hurts like hell
Praetorian
27-05-04, 20:01
Good to see new content.
Too bad it has screwed my rank from /75 to /68... yeah, that was nice, lets all be /68 when we cap, because then we all look alike... wtf... O_o
How about actually fixing some of the ANNOYING bugs like tradewindow throwing your stuff back into inventory and being teleported around the map when someone is either entering their app or using the venture warp? no? ah ok, lets change what people liked to fool around with and had abit of pride in...
But what really... and i mean really makes me bitter, is the nerve to say you killed my ability to alt tab ON PURPOSE???? WTF???? :mad: :mad: :mad:
And NO, playing in windowed isnt an option!
I use MSN/IRC extensively as well as 2 clients to tradeskill... What where you thinking? Give us back the old driver or at least make it an option to keep it (assuming thats what is screwing it up)...
How could you do this to what might have been a great patch with new contents for people to explore... :(
I don't like the alt+tab change. If its necessary for DOY then why can't you wait to do it until then??? Its not as if you've moved the engine to dx9 and we're seeing new effects or better graphics.
Doesn't the windowed mode perform much slower than the fullscreen version?
Good to finally get a patch mind you, but seems like an annoying change, people like to read the forums while being logged in etc..
And NO, playing in windowed isnt an option!
Wow you weren't kidding. Playing in windowed mode ISN'T an option for me. When I change the settings in my .ini file it starts Neocron in a window but as soon as loads the login screen it reverts to fullscreen mode. Its not even letting me window it. So I'm out an alt-tab option completely.
Whitestuff
27-05-04, 20:35
At last! A patch full of goodies! Time to dust off my old account and try it out.
Shadow Dancer
27-05-04, 20:35
Haha I bet melee will be overpowered. :p
I like most of the patch. DOY tunnel entrances being scattered all over the wastes, THAT IS SO COOL! This really is a great patch. Lots of stuff the players asked for has been implemented. Like whole ultima drops.
Really great patch KK.
Ozambabbaz
27-05-04, 20:44
Haha I bet melee will be overpowered. :p
Really great patch KK.
looking forward to hearing your opinion after you've been sliced, diced and sexed by PoB/Thunderbolt tanks
Wow you weren't kidding. Playing in windowed mode ISN'T an option for me. When I change the settings in my .ini file it starts Neocron in a window but as soon as loads the login screen it reverts to fullscreen mode. Its not even letting me window it. So I'm out an alt-tab option completely.
Well I found my problem. I'm not allowed to run 1600x1200 in windowed mode... so I'm forced to reduce my resolution (and not have it fill my screen) if I want to alt-tab.
Shadow Dancer
27-05-04, 20:48
looking forward to hearing your opinion after you've been sliced, diced and sexed by PoB/Thunderbolt tanks
Does PoB do poison damage? Was that change implemented?
Dribble Joy
27-05-04, 20:49
Melee dmg was fine pre patch, from what I have heard (not yet seen tbh) it's insane.
Ozambabbaz
27-05-04, 20:50
dunno what it does, shock effect is nasty and dmg is Uber on an allround 125 medium POR setup
Effectively eliminating Spies with any thought of combat vehicles and HC/MC PEs...this thumbs up is going where the sun wont shine
Shadow Dancer
27-05-04, 20:53
dunno what it does, shock effect is nasty and dmg is Uber on an allround 125 medium POR setup
Effectively eliminating Spies with any thought of combat vehicles and HC/MC PEs...this thumbs up is going where the sun wont shine
If it does poison, spies and apus are screwed against a melee tank IMO.
But my real complaint would be the freezer. It was already too strong pre-patch. Is it even stronger now? And has anyone tested holy para?
Ozambabbaz
27-05-04, 20:54
havent tried the holy para, i'm taking the weekend away from this game, kinda angry about this approach from KK ie melee
Nice patch! Very nifty in places, especially the new tunnels! :)
I find it amusing, really; a lot of people used Loss of Memory pills to move away from Tech Combat after the Stealth Tool "nerf", whereas I moved into Tech Combat. :p
But one thing bothers me: Why the heck does a rank change bother some of you so much? Why is it enough to incite swearing, hatred and, on occasion, bitter gibbering?
Confuses me about ten times over, that one. :confused:
Peace.
-Moscow
Nice patch! Very nifty in places, especially the new tunnels! :)
I find it amusing, really; a lot of people used Loss of Memory pills to move away from Tech Combat after the Stealth Tool "nerf", whereas I moved into Tech Combat. :p
But one thing bothers me: Why the heck does a rank change bother some of you so much? Why is it enough to incite swearing, hatred and, on occasion, bitter gibbering?
Confuses me about ten times over, that one. :confused:
Peace.
-Moscow
Because it effects the Ego Aespect of their personalities. It made them feel "UBER" ;)
Now when they're capped they can't walk around with their head held high saying .. oooo I did more aggie missions than j00!!! n00b!! :lol:
I like the freezer changes all around.
Melee freezers needed to be more powerfull. Parashock was overpowerfull.
IMO all other freezers need slightly boosting.
Where are the holovests?! I need one now so I can holo into a PE and whine about stealth. ^______^
I like the freezer changes all around.
Melee freezers needed to be more powerfull. Parashock was overpowerfull.
IMO all other freezers need slightly boosting.
[ edited ] Those thing shouldn't be changet at all, they should be removed. They dont fill any other function then fucking PvP over and giving those who try and use a protective drug, a hard drugflash.
Jesus christ...
I like the freezer changes all around.
Melee freezers needed to be more powerfull. Parashock was overpowerfull.
IMO all other freezers need slightly boosting.
Is it just me or have we gone trough this months ago? When people where screaming "N3RF TEH FR33ZER5!!!!111" for months, till kk nerfed all freezer weapons except the ppu's.
I'd say with the return of the first freezers (and wth in tanks??) its a matter of time till everybody starts screaming again.
Same with melee... First melee was to strong, then it was nerfed, now its boosted again, and hell what do you know? the first nerf melee treats already popup.
The patch is great....was going to be great.... it should have been kept on TS for a while longer, till things where perfected imho.
Can be me, but erm... why keep falling into the same pattern?
Not to be outdone by the Windows BSOD, KK come up with the Black Screen of Death :p
Before I do my ranty bit I wanna say that I think this is a GREAT patch and like 95% of the changes (and can cope with the rest). That said...
Known bug: For most users, Alt-Tabbing out of the game leaves the screen black. This bug is caused by code parts preparing for the switch to DirectX 9. We decided not to fix this bug as we want to and have to focus our development resources on DoY.
Excuse me? Come again? What the hell kind of philosophy is that? "Yeah our game has a really annoying bug that's gonna annoy most of our users, but hey, we got better things to do."
You have got to be kidding, right? This bug is already getting on my nerves after two hours. How hard can this be to fix? Surely worst case is a rollback to un-fucked code. Considering how much time people spend in game, and how often they have to flip back to windows, this really is an unacceptable bug. Please get your finger out and patch it :(
And no I won't use windowed mode, it gives me a headache for some reason, I suspect it arses around with my refresh rates or such.
Aziraphale
27-05-04, 21:47
Yeah, seriously KK that's an incredibly annoying bug, and the excuse is pretty much bullshit.
holovest would be kwel if it had Gm/access skin commands :)
would be the sweetest thing ever and trully for roleplaying :)
Thread merged.
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/edit - sorry Oath! :p
Thread merged, comments make no sense. edited.
If DoY were "right around the corner" or coming out in Q2 like originally (well not originally, but in the last .plan (http://www.neocron.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NeoContent&file=index&pageID=190) file), then it would be so big of a deal... Speaking of
But that's 4 months of complete frustration for those who are already frustrated but sticking it out with you KK... seriously... wtf are you thinking? O_o
Fix the alt tab. I need to list my rareparts on a database and I want to be able to check item reqs without having to close down neocron completely. Other then that I think its a great patch
where can i c melee and drone tl changes???
ive been waiting for the stats on the rec armor. can someone plz post it. TS everyone seems to be selfish. can i see the stats on them.
Aziraphale
27-05-04, 22:19
ive been waiting for the stats on the rec armor. can someone plz post it. TS everyone seems to be selfish. can i see the stats on them.
Metal plated stuff is basicly a better version of Kevlar, very nice for newbie since it doesn't need high requirements.
Dunno about the others...
Metal plated stuff is basicly a better version of Kevlar, very nice for newbie since it doesn't need high requirements.
Dunno about the others...
i heard thay hav fire resis. so i dont know how good it is. might be the new spy armor :) but i know its wishful thinking.
So when is the melee getting "tweaked" (nerfed) ?
So when is the melee getting "tweaked" (nerfed) ?
as soon as a roach dies from it :)
Yeah please KK if it was a Month fine, 2 Months maybe but over 3 months just no i mean i thought that DOY would just be the full version of things as its pretty much the re-release of neocron as aposed to the expansion and thing such as this would be on the final version.
!!Please bring back Alt+tab it is a very important tool within the game!!
Dribble Joy
27-05-04, 22:46
i heard thay hav fire resis. so i dont know how good it is. might be the new spy armor :) but i know its wishful thinking.
There is no leg/helmet versions, just vest.
There is no leg/helmet versions, just vest.
o....ok
just thought i saw some loven for my spy that can use some fire armor instead of taking imp space :(
but i guess its fine.
Because windowed games can't have their gamma altered.
Sure they don't just use desktop gamma settings?
Sure they don't just use desktop gamma settings?
am able to alter my game settings outside of the game even more on my graphics card. for got wut its called. and it doesnt effect my windows settings.
when will the monk pa vendors come into the game?
please dont tell me a couple of weeks, lost 2 already today, thats all I had
!!Please bring back Alt+tab it is a very important tool within the game!!
I'm not sure why everyone doesn't want to use the fix described in the post about the bug:
open the neocron.ini in Neocron's main folder with a text editor and edit the line PREFMODENAME (to get windowmode) and add the line PREFWINDOWSIZE (to set the size of the window).
Example:
PREFMODENAME = "WindowMode"
PREFWINDOWSIZE = "1024x768" (adjust this to your desktop resolution)
When I played Ultima Online, there were about 3 tools outside of the game that were used as well as messenger programs and the web occasionally. Switching between all of these was a pain in the ass compared to just windowing your game.
Windowing the game does indeed put the frame around your screen, but you will find the switching to other apps is greatly sped up when you don't have to wait for the alt-tab screen redraw.
I'm not sure why everyone doesn't want to use the fix described in the post about the bug:
open the neocron.ini in Neocron's main folder with a text editor and edit the line PREFMODENAME (to get windowmode) and add the line PREFWINDOWSIZE (to set the size of the window).
Example:
PREFMODENAME = "WindowMode"
PREFWINDOWSIZE = "1024x768" (adjust this to your desktop resolution)
When I played Ultima Online, there were about 3 tools outside of the game that were used as well as messenger programs and the web occasionally. Switching between all of these was a pain in the ass compared to just windowing your game.
Windowing the game does indeed put the frame around your screen, but you will find the switching to other apps is greatly sped up when you don't have to wait for the alt-tab screen redraw.
Although windowmode is nice for that and allows me to see my system clock, lol it stresses my eyes more as it makes the neocron screen actualy darker after i tab back in and the dark contrast with the rest of the screen is not nice on my eyes.
Dribble Joy
27-05-04, 23:49
Although windowmode is nice for that and allows me to see my system clock, lol it stresses my eyes more as it makes the neocron screen actualy darker after i tab back in and the dark contrast with the rest of the screen is not nice on my eyes.
I've been using windowed mode for ages. Never got that.
The bug with alt-Tabbing sucks a bit. I always use it for running 2 accounts on one PC.
The window modus in NC is bugged BTW, i cant play in 1600x 1200 windowed, it switch back to 800 x 600 windowed (default?)
Dribble Joy
28-05-04, 00:07
You can play at 1024X768.
ARRRGGGG!!!! :confused: I can't play Neocron! Not at all! I get a Worldclient error when ever I try to zone. I can't stay on for more then 10min or it crashes! I somehow was placed in PP where I was killed. I filed an ingame report 6.5 hours ago and nothing has come of it.
Please help me :(
Mumblyfish
28-05-04, 01:21
Sure they don't just use desktop gamma settings?
No, D3D games use standard gamma. That's why they're so dark windowed, unless you have a decent monitor.
Yep as predict melee is way overpowered this patch is fucking ruined because of it :mad: I logged my pe to play went into pepper park and one melee tank is in there slashing and hacking the shit out of people. He had no probs killing just about everyone took me about 5 hits before I had to run to the zone line nice one KK great fun for the next 5 months till its fixed?? :wtf:
Yep as predict melee is way overpowered this patch is fucking ruined because of it :mad: I logged my pe to play went into pepper park and one melee tank is in there slashing and hacking the shit out of people. He had no probs killing just about everyone took me about 5 hits before I had to run to the zone line nice one KK great fun for the next 5 months till its fixed?? :wtf:
wut are u talking about patch notes said balance :rolleyes:
well it just means were goin to go throu weeks of hell before thay finally hotfix it. so lets all sit bak and let the gankage begin.
*brushs of his junk knife and runs like a crazy man*
I'd like to thank you for removing alot of memory leaks, the performance has radically changed. For example if I closed Neocron before these two patches, windows would run slow and laggy. Now it runs smoother than ever! The rest was good too except that spies cant sex anymore and that alt+tab thingy.
Keep up the good work :]
PC_LOAD_LETTER
28-05-04, 02:52
Patch was quite good, though the NPCs that gimme the Terminator need to exist. :( And holovests vendors aswell. (though i would prefer a tool so i can use PA :) )
Also, my issue of neocronicle is currently a green and red eye implant. *Hopes for cool new eyes* My spy is also waiting for decent legs, helmets, and boots. :cool:
As for the melee tank thing, im kicking myself for not going down that road, oh well, just remove the TS guards at the entrance to PP so i can Doom beam/malediction everyone. :D
Good stuff KK. Thanks for the patch.
Spook @ Pluto
I had 2 people smacking me with baseball bats fukin baseball bats and some tank with a junk knife :rolleyes:
PenguinNick
28-05-04, 06:49
The new patch is very good. I like the new weapons, the new tunnels, the racetrack GR, and i especially like Stealth Tools being spy specific, changed from Dex to Int, and lowered requirements...
The turrets... I think should be made to a minimum 65 TL, I say this (and I'm not trying to whine about it just giving an opinion), because 1 Cst Glove and Factory later you can place the lower level turrets, maybe thats the way it was planned, I dunno, I could go one further even and say raise it higher because of PPU Cst buff but, I dunno... maybe it's just me
Furthermore what exactly is the time length on Obliterator? I heard it was for a minute but... I can tell you mine didn't last a minute... maybe I misheard and it's 45 seconds?
And on two last notes, to the people who complain bout spies stealthing, I'm a spy and I agree that sometimes it can be an annoyance, I was thinking possible of an eye (yes i said this before) that requires Int to use, gives no stats, but rather takes away a bit of rifle combat, pistol combat, heavy combat, passive psi use, and aggressive psi use (maybe 15 or 20 each)... yes that's a lot i know but this eye could allow you to shoot at stealthed people, now before you say that is too powerful think about it, with the - stats he won't be as useful in opwars (going from 180 heavy combat to 160 is a big difference) but they'd be able to go in to finish of someone who stealthed away, it would of course be a rare eye, T or E tech.
And beyond that is it meant to be that mobs can shoot you when stealthed? Kinda pissed me off the other day I hit the up scroll on my mouse and used my stealth tool fighting a grim persecuter, so I cudnt heal myself, and my shelter wore off, so I got screwed... can anyone comment on that?
Thanks for listening!
About stealth yes mobs can shoot u stealthed but only if they have seen u before stealthing if u stealth then run past them they will not atatck u same as gaurds.
awkward silence
28-05-04, 07:00
Not bad nicky boooooooi. =)
turrets are fine the way they are, it prevents turret whoring clans from well.....turret whoring in op fights, so they actually HAVE TO DO THE FIGHTING....and not the turrets. o_O
Removed PE stealth and overboosted melee. Unless there is a reason PoB is so much powerfull (like poi), how do they expect PEs and monks to live?
Im geting error saying file cleint.exe is broken pls restart nc launcher..so i do then it genrates a error making it unable to download the cleint.exe reinstalled teh game 4 times now nothing works pls help me!!!
Im geting error saying file cleint.exe is broken pls restart nc launcher..so i do then it genrates a error making it unable to download the cleint.exe reinstalled teh game 4 times now nothing works pls help me!!!
Email tech@neocron.com and we will see if we can get you through it.
Maester Seymour
28-05-04, 07:46
Really like this patch. The tunnels, MC5 etc have given me something fun to do again :)
The doy tunnels are great fun, spent hours in there today and i've got lost in there a couple of times too hehe :D.
Looking farward to seeing the PA's in shops, the holovests available and the termi run in.
Oh and i kinda like the para now too, its still useable in pvm and not so bad in pvp either ;) The rest of patch is damn sweet too, nice one KK.
for the love of everything that is holy, please fix this feckin alt tab bug.....
its not something thats been existant, it was only on the TS, and you brought it here....to openly admit, fuck it were not gonna be assed to fix or figure it out.....is plainly put...retarded, not everyone can play in windowed mode....me for instance I cannot, my shit ass screen resolution max prevents it, it maybe its just my shit onboard vid card, whatever its fucked up....
Ive hit by accident twice today the windows key which automatically alt tabs you out.....both times in teh middle of a fight trying to turn off the trade with alt k instead of hittin alt i hit windows key cause lame ass people cant win a fight like a man and have to resort to lame tactics like opening trade or teaming you.....
anyways I love the new patch but this is rediculous...fix it please, hold doy another year for all I care I want to play normally now...not in 4 months.....
regarding alt-tab
at least they are being honest with us. I'm sure if it was an easy fix they would do it, but if it means delaying DOY then. well, better to concentrate on DOY.
Its just shitty that every patch introduces new bugs
Fantastic patch though. :p
I personally read that first para as "This is now officially a beta test".
I doubt I'll play much, if at all, until BDoY because we all know that beta characters don't go into retail games and there's really no point hanging around waiting for another promise to be broken.
you can disable the Windows key btw.
Does ALT-F4 or CTRL-ALT-DEL fix the black screen? I had that problem months ago.
POKE DRUGS ARE GREAT!!!!!! Now all I need is a glove and I can poke ok'ish without ruining my stats.
I just searched the 16 pages and couldn't find an answer, so...
I have been exploring the new tunnels quite a bit today and cannot find the 3rd level.
Do all the tunnels have a 3rd level? In fact, is there actually more than one tunnel or are they all connected? The one I was in had exits in at least 6 different zones so I tend to think it is all just one tunnel.
It seems like the're connected someway.
I haven't found lvl 3 (if there is) and i did quite some exploring, call it getting lost, in the tunnels.
The leather armour is baby Inq, FOR, PRC and Fire
the metal plate is kevlar, FOR and PRC
not got all the stuff for the ring/chain whateva :P
and so far ive only recycled on a noob, can you get slots on the recycled guns?
I just searched the 16 pages and couldn't find an answer, so...
I have been exploring the new tunnels quite a bit today and cannot find the 3rd level.
Do all the tunnels have a 3rd level? In fact, is there actually more than one tunnel or are they all connected? The one I was in had exits in at least 6 different zones so I tend to think it is all just one tunnel.
Every tunnel is connected to the next, using the complete alphabet, some of the level 1 tunnels have entrances to the surface, some have not.
to reach all other tunnels you'll eventualy fall into a level 3 tunnel, sometimes that means going from lvl1 to lvl2 and then back up to another lvl1 (which was not connected to surface by example) and then back down to another lvl2, before you reach a lvl3.
Its a maze really.
When all the dust around them settles down, I'll post a new worldmap with all the entrance locations, then you can go figure out more easily where to start to reach lvl3 quickest, for now, just have fun finding them on your own :p
Of course melee is overpowered... I mean everything that gets a boost is overpowered.
Have you EVER stopped to think that it MIGHT have been underpowered before?
Shouldn't a melee tank be able to deal the same damage as a CS tank, but only up close? I think that is pretty much the thought... and they did NOT do that before this patch.
Every time.... every time.
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