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What type of setup's r u hybirds runnin at the minate
i got
DS psi core exp 3 ,2
whats the best way to setup a hybird at the minate
Mumblyfish
19-05-04, 23:39
Bloodlust, Frenzy, Distance 3, Special Forces.
Monk hybrids are old hat.
Shadow Dancer
19-05-04, 23:41
Mumby what kind of hybrid is that?
I forgot which chip gives what. :p
ds, core, exp3, moveon
115 apu, 122 ppu, 63 mst, 91 ppw
holy fire lance and poison halo vs everything but monks, psi attack2 vs monks.
blessed heal, blessed shelter, holy deflector, basic resist booster3. can use antidote and parashock halo.
DS psi core exp 3 ,2
If you are over 100 base in either apu/ppu and not in the other skill then you shuld put in a attack/defensiv chip 2 instead of the exp2 IMO
i mean monk hybirds
at the minate on killem im using holy halo dmg boost n blessed heal n shelter holy def and i can take so much dmg lol i can take 4 people on alone and kill them all its amazing just wanna know a hl or nrg beam setup but im guessing it wont be blessed n holy buffs :((
Aziraphale
19-05-04, 23:47
Mumby what kind of hybrid is that?
I forgot which chip gives what. :p
It's a super sexy pistol / rifle hybrid.
at the minate im fullcapped 97 intel
and i got 120 apu 120 ppu 63 mst 92 ppw
i use ppu pa 2 to cast buffs n im 92/66
bleh, you dont wanna use pa... sucks, means you got play between 2 sets of buffs, the better ones when you put your pa on, then when you debuffed you either gotta put ya pa back on, or have really crappy buffs.
speak to monsoon ingame, or eledhbrant
eledhbrant has monsoons setup :p
and whats there setp up lol
best is ds, core, pp resistor and moveon, can use blessed defence holly halos,
filter heart 2 and u get uber resists very hard to kill, i used to have my hybrid that way 104/66, but lomed to apu after i lost me ds :(((((((
Clownst0pper
20-05-04, 00:40
Eledhbrant and monsoon lower there APU to around 150, and slap the rest into PPU so they can cast damage boost while wearing PA 3,
the damage they loose from the less APU they make back because of the DMG boost, and use shelter/blessed deflector.
So effectivly there an APU with PE defence.
Works nice
Dont think monsoon has to take PA off to cast shelter anyway, so he must have at least 57 PPU with it on. K :)
SamuraiPizzaCat
20-05-04, 00:49
hybreeds r evil mmkay?
explosive earp > monsoon :p
hybreeds r evil mmkay?
explosive earp > monsoon :p
arrange a meeting with me, and you wont be so quick to say that
hybreeds r evil mmkay?
explosive earp > monsoon :p
heh, explosive earp > half assed apu, it will prolly barly even tikle hybrid..=P caped force resist on my hybrid hehe + blessed shelter and holy deflector do the math
:D
killem is 97/65 once psi 3'ed he can use energy beam and gets 500% without pa he totaly owned in a op war and blessed healed himself :D
heh, explosive earp > half assed apu, it will prolly barly even tikle hybrid..=P caped force resist on my hybrid hehe + blessed shelter and holy deflector do the math
:D
any hybrid that uses blessed shelter may as well drop the whole apu front and just lom to ppu.
any hybrid that uses blessed shelter may as well drop the whole apu front and just lom to ppu.
i did fine with holy fire halo and poison halo, energy for spy's :D 104/66
Eledhbrant
20-05-04, 02:17
Koro i CAN also shelter w/ PA on i just take it off for deflect so I do the shelter too.
107/66 :)
surly u cant take much dmg i mean if i fight a apu i can take a right kicking from them and laugh im like a full blown ppu that can fire back lol
107/66 :)
heh damn u so high nice
My setup is slightly different from Eledhbrant's. I have to take PA off for Dmg boost so i got 169 Apu with PA on = 530% on HL.
Clownst0pper
20-05-04, 08:41
Koro i CAN also shelter w/ PA on i just take it off for deflect so I do the shelter too.
107/66 :)
Aye I suspected, not seen your hybrid since you lomed tho, so didnt want to guess just incase I was wrong :)
Original monk
20-05-04, 10:10
heh damn u so high nice
can you pass it please ? :o
I think a GM should change the topictitle.
:p
DS, PsiCore, Moveon, PP Resistor
Well im 104/66 atm but i still got 1 psi lvl to get back :p
my hybrid is rank 101/65 :angel: still need 5 more psi lvls to cap :) ]
wubs j0ries
Just made a hybrid from my apu, and now he is 100/70,
casts shelter and db with PA and can run cast HL.
This kind of hybrids ownz ^^
its even a bit overpowered.
wot set up r u runing thou
can u rezz ^^ ? etc
nah, just made moonson/eled setup a little bit better ^^
Try to work with skillmanager on LSD or ganja (first prefered) and you will make fantastic results ^^
Personally, I prefer the following built:
Generated by Neocron Skillmanager V2 Textfile Export
Character Class: MONK
Intelligence: 110 Base: 100 Remaining Skillpoints: 0
Hacking: 5 Base: 0
Barter: 0 Base: 0
PSI-Use: 204 Base: 169
Weapon Lore: 1 Base: 0
Construction: 0 Base: 0
Research: 0 Base: 0
Implant: 4 Base: 0
Willpower: 0 Base: 0
Dexterity: 36 Base: 35 Remaining Skillpoints: 0
Pistol Combat: 0 Base: 0
Rifle Combat: 0 Base: 0
Hightech Combat: 4 Base: 0
Vehicle Use: 0 Base: 0
Agility: 116 Base: 102
Repair: 0 Base: 0
Recycle: 0 Base: 0
Remote Control: 0 Base: 0
Strength: 20 Base: 20 Remaining Skillpoints: 0
Melee Combat: 6 Base: 0
Heavy Combat: -4 Base: 0
Transport: 47 Base: 47
Resist Force: 65 Base: 50
Constitution: 42 Base: 45 Remaining Skillpoints: 0
Atletics: 50 Base: 44
Body Health: 94 Base: 75
Endurance: 5 Base: 0
Resist Fire: 27 Base: 12
Resist Energy: 15 Base: 0
Resist Xray: 105 Base: 62
Resist Poison: 30 Base: 0
PSI-Power: 114 Base: 100 Remaining Skillpoints: 0
Passive PSI Use: 75 Base: 85
Agressive PSI Use: 141 Base: 116
Mental Steadiness: 83 Base: 73
PSI Power: 81 Base: 61
Resist PSI: 0 Base: 0
Implants:
Brain: PROTOPHARM RESISTOR CHIP
PSI Attack Chip 3
PSI Core CPU
MC5 Dimension Splitter CPU
Eye: Smart Cybereye 1
Heart: Filter Heart 1
Backbone: Reflexbooster 1
Gaunlet: Crahn Power Gauntlet
Head: BioTech Headbone
Chest: Chest
Arm: Armenforcement
Leg: Legenforcement
Foot: Footenforcement
Armor:
Helmet: Crahn Holy Spirit Helmet
Vest: Crahn Holy Spirit Vest
Belt: Heavy Fire Protection Belt
Trousers: Crahn Holy Spirit Trousers
Boots: Crahn Holy Spirit Boots
PSI-Stuff:
Combatbuff: Crahn Melee Combat Booster 1
Resistbuff: Crahn Hazard Resist Booster 1
Supportbuff: Crahn Spy Booster 1
Shelter: Crahn Shelter seflcast
Deflector: Crahn Blessed Deflector seflcast
Drugs:
Hitpoints: 308
Stamina: 54
PSI-Power: 289
Resists:
Armor PvM PvP
Piercing 126 91% - 95% 8% - 7%
Force 164 94% - 95% 7% - 6%
Fire 133 90% - 95% 9% - 8%
Energy 151 91% - 95% 9% - 8%
Xray 132 90% - 95% 9% - 8%
Poison 27 17% 28%
Of course, it depends on personal taste. ;)
dunno nothing less then blessed heal in a fight would sux hybirds should be all powerful in my eyes :D
any hybrid that uses blessed shelter may as well drop the whole apu front and just lom to ppu.
Why is that? just because its not like yours?
mine does ok i can take over pepper park alone and in op wars with psi 3 i use nrg beam dmg boost n blessed heal and i tell ya its old hybird style action takes pe's apu's they all get wasted only i gota put me ppu pa 2 on for sd but that takes seconds and i dont take hardly any dmg :)
oh also forgot to mention tanks drop like flys n spys of course
i think me n evilblind will start op waring together we will take ya apart my hybird with psi makes j0rz.tnk look like a toy ffs in op wars
Everyone used to laugh at me when i put a moveon in my monk but now some of u are suggesting putting one in a monk. Me confused
slaughteruall
21-05-04, 16:52
Everyone used to laugh at me when i put a moveon in my monk but now some of u are suggesting putting one in a monk. Me confused
I used to use a PP chip in my monk. I've thought about going back to that setup also.
Slaughter
Eledhbrant and monsoon lower there APU to around 150, and slap the rest into PPU so they can cast damage boost while wearing PA 3,
the damage they loose from the less APU they make back because of the DMG boost, and use shelter/blessed deflector.
So effectivly there an APU with PE defence.
Works nice
Dont think monsoon has to take PA off to cast shelter anyway, so he must have at least 57 PPU with it on. K :)
isn't what y'all are saying basically boil down to "KK need to do more work balancing hybrids"?
telling us hybrids can have PE defense with APU offence is kindof a giveaway. i thought we all learned the hard way that you can't have your cake and eat it too, at least not without throwing balance all the way out the window.
unless of course we take the view that MC5 chips, upon which all this is based, will soon become near impossible to obtain. only us old timers get to have the uber-setup, but that's kinda balanced and basically fair, lol.
seriously though - don't hybrids feel a teensy bit of guilt by saying that, basically, they can own all, but it's their setup and rare imps that're really doing the work.
telling us hybrids can have PE defense with APU offence is kindof a giveaway.They can't. Maybe a gimpy or still levelling APU offence but not a pure. People like exaggerating.
My hybrid is a complete gimp, but its fun to not follow the cookie cutter best setups sometimes. Setting aside that half my int is in barter, I'm a ppu inclined hybrid. I can use Holy AntiPoison Sanctum and Energy Halo. I have mostly ppu defenses, though I can't use holy antishock which is a pain. My offense is enough to fight mobs, I can even pvp as long as no ppu's are present. A ppu's shelter renders me impotent : )
Lots of people go for high damage to kill the target quickly, I go for high defense and wear the target down. Yea it's not always that sucessful, but I like it. I've definitly grown to dislike PPU's since then, once one shows up it's time for me to leave.
In regards to hybrid's strength, they are weak and need a boost. The fact is that while a Hybrid can have a decent defense, most often that's a PE level defense, their offense is lacking. What you see in this thread are people who've spent more time then anyone else to gather the best equipment, devise a decent setup, and have the skill to play that setup well. You can't balance the entire class based on them, they represent a minority. You can find this minority in each class, they represent the very best players. I don't see why the majority of a class should be weak just because a few are strong. If those few are a problem, then correct what makes them strong.
They can't. Maybe a gimpy or still levelling APU offence but not a pure. People like exaggerating.
It's also not really a PE defence, since it doesn't have as much HP, IIRC. Though they can cap shelter, which a PE can't.
I don't think hybrids are particularly weak, as people have shown, take a hyb to an OP war and get a psi 3 and they aren't too different to APUs. The only real problem with a hybrid is that there is no middle ground. There's the shelter/e beam APUs with good offence and lower defence, and there's blessed shelter/bless heal/holy def/energy halo or holy energy halo hybrids with great defence but very low offense, yet there's nothing in between.
I'd like to see hybrids have an option in between those two, and also give them regular antibuff, antishield, antishock etc., all the spells which pure monks skip for the holy versions but could still be useful to a hybrid.
I think it would be nice to be able to still use holy def blessed shelter blessed heal and holy nrg halo but the halo needs a boost because u cant cap it it should be cappable with 120 apu then hybird would be well balenced they are abit weak atm if i get psi 3 and i use nrg beam im find but they nerfed that as well its so crappy
they over nerfed them and have become allmost useless if the person ur ifghting has a ppu on em
they over nerfed them and have become allmost useless if the person ur ifghting has a ppu on em
how overpowered do they really need to be? any class is "allmost useless if the person ur ifghting has a ppu on em".
yeh but even a pe takes ages to kill
a tank with a normal shelter is hard to kill
only way ive killed a tank with a shelter is para halo dmg boost then holy halo em and it holy works in the open coz they cant go any where
Clownst0pper
21-05-04, 22:19
They can't. Maybe a gimpy or still levelling APU offence but not a pure. People like exaggerating.
I wouldnt count 105/min on HL, with hazard resist 1, shelter + blessed deflector "gimped"
they really cap ROF with that setup? without psi 3?
I wouldnt count 105/min on HL, with hazard resist 1, shelter + blessed deflector "gimped"
neither would i. but would you call it "unbalanced"?
neither would i. but would you call it "unbalanced"?
no, there is a better hybrid setup that would own that setup.
SamuraiPizzaCat
21-05-04, 23:12
I wouldnt count 105/min on HL, with hazard resist 1, shelter + blessed deflector "gimped"
o_O
lol how the hell did u manage that
little terror just called me over powered in pepper park lol
and that meelee tank thought it would be funny to attack me
i mean u just dont attack a 104/65 monk do u it's stupid lol
little terror just called me over powered in pepper park lol
and that meelee tank thought it would be funny to attack me
i mean u just dont attack a 104/65 monk do u it's stupid lol
u and blind were owning every1 in PP
i know Blind uses my hybird setup i think hybirds can still be very good in pvp i mean if i was raidin mb i wouldnt have much problem taking 5 people on at once
watch out for tg raids soon as we recap psi it's guna be a scream :lol: :eek: :wtf:
Mr Friendly
21-05-04, 23:55
the immortal kind that k33ls peeps.......oh wait, that was almost 2 years ago....n/m :p
actually ive been experimenting but currently a setup where i do a good ammouint of dmg not needing a DB, & awesome defence. now all i need is a new mouse pad to stop my cursor from playin marco polo with itself :P
me n blind r guna start a hybird only clan
i can stand infront of a lib and laugh its so kewl :)
hl does 5 to 25 dmg to me lol
Mr Friendly
22-05-04, 08:59
me n blind r guna start a hybird only clan
i can stand infront of a lib and laugh its so kewl :)
hl does 5 to 25 dmg to me lol
that kinda clan has already happened. like 3 times.
& that kinda hybrid u have sux ass at killin peeps :) ive been it
Shadow Dancer
22-05-04, 09:10
o_O
lol how the hell did u manage that
Maybe a kami chip?
Original monk
22-05-04, 09:25
Maybe a kami chip?
hybrids with kami's where dead long time ago ... the +15 mst isnt going to override the -200 energy and -100 pierce hit ya get ..
im glad some people start playing hybrid so KK will finally realise that hybrid is also a class next to ppu/apu/pe/tank etc ...
so maybe they get some restpect instead of being nerfed everytime someone farts here on the forum ...
edit: psi3 counting in youre setup isnt fair ... i can give my hybrid a psi 3 with my ppumonk and work he's setup around that ... but it defeats the purpose of a hybrid ..
no, there is a better hybrid setup that would own that setup.
irony?
i know Blind uses my hybird setup i think hybirds can still be very good in pvp i mean if i was raidin mb i wouldnt have much problem taking 5 people on at once
watch out for tg raids soon as we recap psi it's guna be a scream :lol: :eek: :wtf:
none of this sounds too good. still no one wants to comment as to whether we feel a situation has been reached in which hybrids are once again overpowered - i.e. not balanced with the other classes.
being able to "own all in PP", take 5 people at once, or have it be a defacto bad idea to attack you, all sounds like your setup is overpowered and unbalanced. finding a good setup means you have, at best, an edge in combat - it does NOT mean you can beat everyone, hands down, no contest. if you can do that, the game itself needs tweaking.
My tank had a runin with jorz's hybrid-- I have to say while its a fairly strong class against someone that is para'd and dboosted with no shelter-- but Im more than confident my hybrid can take his. I tried to get him to fight me, but he was afk, so Ill just have to catch him later
j0rz find me in game :P
Dargeshaad
22-05-04, 13:54
I'm pretty sure my former kami hybrid with db sanct would own thee sir j0rz :D
I remade him to all out apu so he would be more viable for tg raids with a m8 of mine ;)
My tank had a runin with jorz's hybrid-- I have to say while its a fairly strong class against someone that is para'd and dboosted with no shelter-- but Im more than confident my hybrid can take his. I tried to get him to fight me, but he was afk, so Ill just have to catch him later
j0rz find me in game :P
hehe sure man
but im kinda getting bored of hybird now lol thinking of going ppu again u know me i get bored easy i even got bored of me rifle pe n hc tank :\
i might make a droner now they seem pretty good for pking lol
still will be fun fight
evil blind uses ur set up now and we did a 1 on 1 n i won np so itll be interesting to say the least but we will prolly end up runing about outhealing each others dmg :\
I'm pretty sure my former kami hybrid with db sanct would own thee sir j0rz :D
I remade him to all out apu so he would be more viable for tg raids with a m8 of mine ;)
hehe kami hybirds r0xed i was one for the last 4 days before the patch and 116/58 was just insane :D still not as good as the old hybirds but still damm nice then they patched it so i just cired alot :(
I wouldnt count 105/min on HL, with hazard resist 1, shelter + blessed deflector "gimped"I don't see any way to do that without a Psi3 from a real PPU AND swapping PAs.
well ive lommed from blessed shelter holy def n holy halo to the shelter blessed def hl setup seems better for pepper park but its not as good when ur out in the open killing tanks :)
still not a bad setup
not bad that i made the same simlar setup to divide great minds think alike uh :)?
Original monk
25-05-04, 14:12
not bad that i made the same simlar setup to divide great minds think alike uh :)?
lol jorz :) , there's not alot of other options you can do with a hybrid ...
or you go ppu/with lances
or you go apu/with shelter and PAswap (psi3) ... etc
or you go 50/50
:)
i still prefer the last one, you can take a huge pounding hehe, only its veery hard to kill someone :) the damage is still a bit shitty
thats why i use a 50/50 hybrid now and sumtimes use an apupa when i need that littlebit extra damage or when i wonna use my full artifact holy poisonhalo or firehalo :)
i dont psi3 my hybrid ... its defeats the purpose of hybrids as i said before, purpose is that you can solo everything cause youre both apu and ppu :)
when i need the heavy duty then i use my apu buffed by my ppu :)
as you know cause you seen quasi running around now and then :)
i think ill make j0rz 50/50 hybird keep killem as he is
damm i wanna ppu as well lol guess ill have to get another account lol i got 3 ds's as well hehe
Original monk
25-05-04, 14:22
i think ill make j0rz 50/50 hybird keep killem as he is
damm i wanna ppu as well lol guess ill have to get another account lol i got 3 ds's as well hehe
50/50 is fun, maybe if kk wonna lower the stats a littlebit more :P
like 118 (holy energy) 120 (regular firehalo) 122 (holy poisonhalo) (and max 63 mst :P)
yeah yeah :P
and you will need youre DS's when you wonna make an extra account hehe :)
lol yeh i got 2 accounts allready im a damm addict has any one else got as many capped chars as me and stuff !?!
i swear i need a damm life lol
Eledhbrant
25-05-04, 14:43
j0rz its HYBRID not HYBIRD please, we cant fly :)
I did see 40's coming off your head from my hybrids HL not 5's o_O
@Clownstopper - 90/min with 86 INT in PSU on HL not 105 (unbuffed)
I got a rank boost the other day due to the ultimated arti toxic beam 5 slotter i hacked from a TG belt :P 110
Zoneseek had 3 accounts, so I guess 4 is your target. :p
j0rz its HYBRID not HYBIRD please, we cant fly :)
I did see 40's coming off your head from my hybrids HL not 5's o_O
@Clownstopper - 90/min with 86 INT in PSU on HL not 105 (unbuffed)
I got a rank boost the other day due to the ultimated arti toxic beam 5 slotter i hacked from a TG belt :P 110
loooooooooooooooooooooooool
at work he always used to say man cybird killed me again and i was like dude its cybrid!!
Clownst0pper
25-05-04, 18:58
Kreole when he was kami hybrid, a few weeks ago worked out fucking amazing, i just hated spell management.
Ask eledhbrant, lot of fun :D
Cybird used to when i was like rank 30... but im not rank 30 any more im not any more im i ;)
ur hl only did 40 once i was dmg boosted not before and i healed out fine anyways not to mention the cs tank monsoon nd afew pe.s shooting at me
or do u mean after when i gred out and came back for my belt and u killed me...
i'll be sure to return the favour u lot didnt do to well once i came back on my tank did ya :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Eledhbrant
25-05-04, 21:33
Im so sure your monk would outlive a devourer + holy para o_O
i wouldnt execpt to i wouldnt execpt to live dmg boosted paraed with a dev hl and afew p.e's shooting me i wouldnt execpt a full blown ppu to get away with that packing 183 ppu never mind a hybird with 132 ppu
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