View Full Version : HC PE's driving + Gunning Rhino?
belgarion
16-05-04, 14:28
I can just say one thing about that. NERF NERF NERF
I think Rhino v2 is sutch a heavy Vehicle that only a dedicated driver char PE/Spy should be able to drive + It should be higher Req's for gunning a Rhino v2 aswell....
I hope that to DoY OP's should req more Hackskill to hack and stuff like that.... I know myself. I'm a APU capping HL + FA still hacking first barrier with no buff. That is Lame... But still very usefull... So to you pep's on KK that reads this... RAISE OP hackskill + Driving/Gunning recks on Rhino v2!!
afaik only a dedicated driver char can drive rhino. if a pistol PE gets 62 vhc, or any other class for that matter, i would call him a gimp.
HAHA your really trying to get a point through huh?
Posting this same shit whereever you can find that seems remotely relevant.
We can all see whom doesnt play a PE or HC PE now. Just get killed by one did ya?
I also agree with Crazy2003 when he says: (in relation to if changes like this were to go ahead)
"From my point of view the connection between KK and the playerbase is completely corrupted, its gotten to close that its fucked up the majority of the game.
KK listens to the players who speak out, but for the players who dont and who just wanto play i dont think they appreciate such changes."
For one, PE's are meant to be a viable char to do EVERYTHING with, whether that be recycle things, cst, imp, gun vehicles, drive vehicles, shoot normal guns, run fast, have decent health, etc. ANY skill listed as a subskill a PE should be able to put a minimum of 99 points into. if that isnt high enough to shoot a gun, or drive a vehicle there is something wrong.
PE's should be able to use somewhere between 75-80% of things. eg. there are 100 pistol guns, rare and non rare, he should be able to use the bottom 75-80 guns. (number is just an example).
to be a Rhino PE you need a real Sucking setup. its fun - sure. but its nothing that is a thread to rifle or pistol PE.
VHC are SLOW( ah, no Chars are fast), turn slow have limited fire arc and you VHC is useless in caves or any other building.
dont forget u have to change from driver to gunner by exit the VHC.
and last, its fun to see a Tank grabbing his anti VHC and nuke you rhino when you hurry to change seats to escape from him.
Keep it.
If anything, boost it. Specialist VHC users should be more p0w4fu11.
Yup, nerf any PE thats not rifle or pistol.
Magic Sausage
16-05-04, 15:34
A simple solution to the stealthing PE's and rhino PE would be... for the stealth tools adding the req : spy and for the gunner position on the rhino : tank ... like the PA's shouldn't be too hard to implement.
Hows that sound?
A simple solution to the stealthing PE's and rhino PE would be... for the stealth tools adding the req : spy and for the gunner position on the rhino : tank ... like the PA's shouldn't be too hard to implement.
Hows that sound?
dont forget the SPY only on research and construction tool.
and hey, it needs a spy to repair and recycle
;)
Magic Sausage
16-05-04, 15:45
Well.. haven't yet seen a researching or constructing pe... I don't see a problem there
everyone recycles so thats a little extreme...
I am just trying to say a PE shoudn't be able to do everything... Almost everything I agree... but being able to use every vehicle is a out there...
Its in my personal opinion that only spys should be able to use the stealth tools...
but thats just my opinion... I have no game playing basis to accually go against PE stealthers.
Indrid Cold
16-05-04, 16:06
Nerf whiners.
Whiners: Stop telling me how to play my game.
Nerf whiners.
Whiners: Stop telling me how to play my game.
Right on!
At the end of the day if you feel infirior to a HC-PE, then you suck.
Yup, nerf any PE thats not rifle or pistol.
:mad:
I hope thats sarcasm.
Magic Sausage
16-05-04, 16:15
So if though some act of god... I come around with my spy... wielding a paw of the tiger... you wouldn't feel something is wrong?
I just think some things shouldn't be done... kinda how things need to be balanced... sure almost anything can be done using implants and such... Oh well... as you said... it really isn't anyones right to tell anyone else how to play the game...
Belgarion, Magic Sausage....
Define a Private Eye.
Indrid Cold
16-05-04, 16:24
PEs are an all around class. Spies are DEX, Tanks are STR, Monks are PSI. PEs are a little of each. If I wanted to I could spec him APU. THe beauty of that class is you can be anything you want, but not the best of it.
A spy could cap damage on high tech weapons and still hack. PEs could not do that. PEs could not cap damage on heavy weapons or psi modules. I think that is fair enough.
I play a HC PE for fun, he's more of a support person than a tank. Yes he drives also, why would a combat spy want to gimp his damage caps by driving? Hence his creation. Someone to cart us around and grenade things, and fix stuff.
Another thing, if you're a spy and dumb enough not to know how to play your role (stay back and shoot from a distance), you should have died.
It's common sence.
Magic Sausage
16-05-04, 16:32
LOL don't you start quoting david eddings now... I love all his series...
True a PE is supposed to do anything... but as of right now all you need is the minimum req. for the vehicle gunner pos. to cap any veh weapon. Should a PE, who shoud be able to do everything... but not proficiently, be able to drive and gun the strongest vehicle in the game?
lol benjie, you cant define a private eye.
Because IRL a private eye, uses any, and many techniques to get information.
As ingame they dont only sneek around, they use strong man tactics when needed. Common sense and Intelligence is also important.
And i guess Really a private eye is just a freelancer Spy. (which i guess is why in neocron theres hardly any difference between PE and SPY except STR.)
lol benjie, you cant define a private eye.
Because IRL a private eye, uses any, and many techniques to get information.
Is that really a private eye though? I always thought the Real Life defenition of a Private Eye had little or nothing to do with the Neocron variation.
Here is my Defenition of a Private Eye.
Worse at everything, better at everything else.
trigger hurt
16-05-04, 20:26
Well.. haven't yet seen a researching or constructing pe... I don't see a problem there
everyone recycles so thats a little extreme...
I am just trying to say a PE shoudn't be able to do everything... Almost everything I agree... but being able to use every vehicle is a out there...
Its in my personal opinion that only spys should be able to use the stealth tools...
but thats just my opinion... I have no game playing basis to accually go against PE stealthers.
pe's can't do everything. an hc/driver pe that's geared to drive a rhino will most likely have no other combat skills. Maybe some repair, some agility and tech combat for the rhino turret, but most everything in dex will go into a tradeskillish skill like recycle and repair. The best gun they will be able to use is a speedgat or a tpc with drugs.
My hc pe setup was great for hunting firemobs or warbots, but outside of that, he wasnt awesome at pvp, simply because he is nothing but a tank with a lot less CON. Now, inq 4/capped nrg resists/shelter/blessed deflector and he's a tough bird to take down, but unless he's melee he's going to be just as slow as a tank with a weapon out.
I think PE's are the only really balanced chars sadly. Spies can do decent damage, but it doesnt matter, because to be effective in an op battle, they have to do it from a distance. Mainly because if you have 3 tanks, a spy and 3 apus with 2ppus in a fight...who do you think is going to get the buffs first?
QuantumDelta
16-05-04, 20:32
Nerf Morons.
Look, Nub, if you're gunning in a Rhino as a PE you're a gimp.
If you're driving in a Rhino, you're a gimp.
PERIOD.
Any PE taking this job on as a rule is NERFING THEMSELVES.
If anything vehical weapons should really get another boost.
I can't believe someone is actually thick enough to think this is overpowered -_-
My tank can drive a rhino. Wopppeee.
The only change that shuld be made to vehicles is better aiming and increased xp for the lower combat vehicles
Heretic Shadow
16-05-04, 22:35
why not just delete PE's.
why not just delete PE's.
I'd sooner delete your forum account.
Nerf Morons.
Applies.
CRAIG DIGGERS
16-05-04, 23:56
why not just delete PE's.
Yes after the ppu and parashock or in front of? o_O
Now I`ve been playing a HC/melee vhc PE for along time now. When I first made him I was really surprised that I could do so many things at the same time and I love it.
Now, being able to drive and gun the rhino, you can do that easily with a tank as well, you just have to pop a few drugs. It is easier for the PE as you only have to pop one drug after GR trips to activate your marine.
I do think the Rhino should do alot more damage, (or get an ubar fusion cannon doing aoe damage instead.) I do not believe the answer is to deny the PE the rhino, just heighten the damage cap so PE`s can at max do the kind of damage it does today(which infact isnt that incredible concidering it is a 60 or so tonn vehicle), but you`ll need a tank if you want to do the crazy damage. That said I`ve never understood the need for strength in a rhino turret, does it move only by muscle power? And why would you want to put a huge geneticaly enhanced person into a cramped tank anyways?
Now driving and gunning a rhino is a big advantage while hunting mobs where it doesnt really matter if the rhino is standing still or not. Its very efficient. If you use it during an op fight or just ganking you can be efficient, but the fact that you have to stop get out, get in to start gunning leaves the target alot of time to take cover and then you have to get in the drivers seat again. This leaves you very vulnarable to other rhinos with a driver and a gunner and people using anti-vehicle weapons. So instead of denying PE`s the rhino I believe it would be better to fix anti-vehicle rockets(and rockets in general), make them go straight. Not the crappy stuff we got now. So that a PE being a turret rhino is a very easy target if you use the right type of weapons. Or get a rhino with a driver/gunner setup as well, you`ll smoke the the lone rhino PE easily.
Its really not that hard to avoid being killed as long as you have something to hide behind.
Im confused. On one hand people constantly bitch about cookie cutter setups and complain about lack of variety. On the other hand someone totally gimps themselves to play the game a new, and fun by the sounds of it, way and people want to nerf it back to the cookie cutter style?
Make up your damn minds!!!!
Heavyporker
17-05-04, 00:30
fuck, no, leave OP hackskill and rhino reqs alone.
PEs supposed to be capable of doing everything.... just not as well as the dedicated classes.
I would but I would get a ban....
:mad:
Mumblyfish
17-05-04, 01:06
Let's play "fix the dipshit", shall we?
I think Rhino v2 is sutch a heavy Vehicle that everyone who can sacrifice the VHC should be able to drive + It should be lower Req's for gunning a Rhino v2 aswell....
I hope that to DoY OP's should req less Hackskill to hack and stuff like that.... I know myself. I'm a APU capping HL + FA still hacking first barrier with no buff. That is AWESOME... I can do lots of things, and that is fun +10... So to you pep's on KK that reads this... FUCKING LOWER OP hackskill + Driving/Gunning recks on Rhino v2!!
Lower specialisation - for a better future.
Goddammit, what the hell have i ever done you [ edited ]?
My H-C PE is my favorite character, ive never seen you, heard of you & never killed you or taken up any of your precious time & now you want to take away my favorite character.
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Yes I drive & Gun my own Rhino, its crap against players who know there shit, & my speed gun is mile from cap & has trouble hurting a spy, yet i love it so, thats why i have a PE, to do whatever the Fuck I wanna do.
What cookie cutter set up do you most enjoy playing & i'll start a thread to NERF that, see how that tastes.
If I ever see your Chainbike parked in my Rhino parking im gonna nuke that fucker.
And incase you dont actually play the game at all, you might like to know that alot a combat vehicles are set up so only a PE could make full use of them, I beleive the true driver class on Neocron is the PE.
(spelling & punctuation have not been checked coz im too damn mad & just wanna get this back in your face ASAP)
Is that really a private eye though? I always thought the Real Life defenition of a Private Eye had little or nothing to do with the Neocron variation.
Here is my Defenition of a Private Eye.
Worse at everything, better at everything else.
Well yea, its hard to say, PE's irl are basically a "shit spy" and thats pretty much as they are in NC, just in Nc they have a couple of higher stats to equal out to the 300 skill points... Which is what gets me when people say "PE's are overpowered", but those same people say "Spies are weak and need a boost".
Yet they both use and cap the same spells, guns and imps??
Heavyporker
17-05-04, 07:47
show me a spy that can use CS, devourer, vein ripper, or gun a rhino, or cast damage boost.
Please.
Don't say a PE is a shit spy.
Shadow Dancer
17-05-04, 08:07
I wish to god KK would change the names and descriptions of the spy and pe classes.
I mean c'mon, SPY? There's so many UNspy like things about him.
And Private eye? Wtf? Do I really need to explain?
Tanks and psi monks make sense though.
This is definitely the best nerf thread the forums has ever seen. :lol:
This is definitely the best nerf thread the forums has ever seen. :lol:
yea i agree heh.
I agree for current combat vehicles I think PEs are the best setup for it Though the rhino thing is meant for 2 people but as said you're a sitting duck when you're gunning it. Though I think high end flying vehicles should stay in the realm of the spy only :P maybe the low end glider shoudl only be PE accesible
A PE on a scorpion trike can do a crap load of dmg but no one willcomplain about that cause you're open to attack on it. maybe they should make aversion that has a protective cover over the drivers seat then we can see how many nerf that threads will pop up :)
I created a HC/MC Hybrid PE about 2 months ago ...
It still is one of my most fun chars to play even tho he is not op-fight viable atm (Enemy tanks now all got Anti-Vhc in the gogu ;) )
One of the funniest things that happened was when CA took Grant again and TG rallied to take it back ... imagine you are CA, getting ready at the Grant / TG sync to raid TG ... then syncing and looking at the fabulous sight of three Rhino`s with coordinated (Teamspeak) fire
I think we took out two tanks, two apu`s, a PE and two PPUs who tried to get the belts (We lost the fight at Grant tho, damm anti-vehicle ;) )
I didnīt skill my PE for PvP ... allthou he is PvP viable
My PE can Hack WBs, Imp himself (without glove), Cap Rhino Damage (440 to a Grim Chaser a Hit), Cap Energy Soulblade (w Beast & X-Strong for 90str), carry a lot, Repair nicely, Recycle Rhino Ammo, Drive Rhino and run pretty fast ... wear Inqui4 and have nice con
Oh yes, and the usual Psi Stuff (Blessed-D is easier because of no PA)
And yes, switching seats in the heat of a battle is pretty difficult ... if the enemies use anti-vhc you have to notice it before the condition drops below 60% or something or you are lost for sure ... but without Anti-Vhc they can barely scratch the Rhino.
I donīt see them as beeing overpowered, you just need to use the right weapons ...
Itīs like that with everything people scream nerf nerf just because they are too lazy to use the proper tactics ...
Leave it as it is ... nuff said !
Exactly, the rhino is easy to avoid when the driver is gunning. And he wont be able to harm you as he's driving either.
Man, don't cry for a nerf when you know shit about the class.
The HC PE is indeed very viable for PvP, but it won't beat a really good rifle or pistol PE. Mostly due to the crappy guns (speedgat and TL 72 plasma).
Exactly, the rhino is easy to avoid when the driver is gunning. And he wont be able to harm you as he's driving either.
Man, don't cry for a nerf when you know shit about the class.
The HC PE is indeed very viable for PvP, but it won't beat a really good rifle or pistol PE. Mostly due to the crappy guns (speedgat and TL 72 plasma).
Guys imagine life has a HC PE with the new beast drug giving you 25 extra HC on the TS. That drug is going to be opening up a little more options.
More rof on plasma and gat, thats how far the difference goes, there still not gone be able to use better cannons.
And no i have a HC PE on the retail server, i dont know how to get on the TS server anyway....
QuantumDelta
17-05-04, 18:21
Exactly, the rhino is easy to avoid when the driver is gunning. And he wont be able to harm you as he's driving either.
Man, don't cry for a nerf when you know shit about the class.
The HC PE is indeed very viable for PvP, but it won't beat a really good rifle or pistol PE. Mostly due to the crappy guns (speedgat and TL 72 plasma).
That to me, means not viable ;)
I Guess I came off a little harsh in my last post, just like to say if you're going to post about balance, please post about something seriously.
If you're going to post about balance, please make sure you know what you are talking about because it WILL be taken apart and disected piece by piece by the entire community and you will need solid ground to stand on if you are to be taken seriously.
Now, that in itself isn't something to discourage you from posting about balance, on the contrary you are welcome to.
HOWEVER please note that most of the community don't, have a clue about it's finer points, even if they may be mildly aware of issues at hand.
That to me, means not viable
I have yet to loose against a PE :)
And with Tank`s i`m on the winning side ... i fought 6 i think and won vs 4
Oh yes, and the only Spy i fought (Exe-Spy) beat me two times and i won the third ...
But i have to admit that i don`t use speedgat etc, i use the Str 90 Energy Soulblade and Damageboost ...
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