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played both in beta.
lineage 2 didn't like it.
city of heroes liked it and bought it and so far enjoy it.
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NCsoft Product Launches Pull Eye-Popping Numbers in North America
NCsoft Product Launches Pull Eye-Popping Numbers in North America; City of Heroes Already at 100,000 Plus Subscribers, Lineage Service Hits More Than 60K
E3Expo 2004
AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 12, 2004--NCsoft(R) Corporation (KSE: 036570.KS), the world's leading developer and publisher of online computer games, today revealed that its two recent releases, City of Heroes(TM) and Lineage(R) II, already have reached more than 160,000 subscribers combined since they launched simultaneously in North America on April 28. City of Heroes has more than 100,000 subscribers and the Lineage service has moved past 60,000 subscribers. The numbers were reached in less than two weeks and were attained with what some are calling one of the smoothest commercial service launches in the history of massively multiplayer online games.
"We're obviously pleased with the early results of these launches," said Robert Garriott, president of NCsoft North America. "Perhaps what's most gratifying is the virtually flawless launch we had for both products. Having one smooth launch for a massively multiplayer online game is practically unheard of and we had two in one day. Since April 28 our servers have been stable and we're adding more customers every day."
Others agree and believe NCsoft's dual North American launch has set new heights in the games industry.
"Launching a quality massively multiplayer game is an incredibly difficult task," said analyst David Cole of DFC Intelligence. "NCsoft's release of two top-notch online games in one day is unprecedented and shows they are one of the true market pioneers."
Both City of Heroes and Lineage II will be on display this week at the Electronic Entertainment Expo taking place in Los Angeles.
The games are available now at most major North American computer game retail outlets at a suggested retail price of US$49.99, which includes the first month of online game play. After the first month, players will be charged a monthly subscription fee of US$14.95. Sixty-day game time cards are also be available at many North American retailers for a suggested retail price of US$29.99. Both City of Heroes and Lineage II are rated Teen by the Entertainment Software Rating Board.
About NCsoft Corporation
Headquartered in Seoul, South Korea, NCsoft Corp. is the world's leading developer and publisher of online games. Founded in 1997, NCsoft is home to Lineage, the world's most successful online role playing game. NCsoft has joint venture offices located in Japan, Taiwan, and China. In fiscal year 2003, NCsoft posted revenues of KRW (Korean Won) 166.5 billion or approximately US$143 million. More information about NCsoft can be found at http://www.ncsoft.net.
About NCsoft - North America
NCsoft - North America (NC-NA) is headquartered in Austin, Texas and is part of Korea-based NCsoft Corporation. NC-NA, with development and administrative offices in Texas and California, launched two ground-breaking titles in the first half of 2004, Lineage II and City of Heroes. The company also works with NCsoft subsidiary ArenaNet(TM) (located in Seattle, WA) and third party developers throughout North America to develop and publish innovative online entertainment software products. More information about NCsoft - North America can be found at http://www.PlayNC.com.
About Cryptic Studios
Cryptic Studios(TM), Inc., located in San Jose, California, was established in July of 2000 and is an independent developer of massively multiplayer online games for the PC and next generation consoles. Its first game, City of Heroes, is a virtual world where thousands of people play simultaneously, take on the role of superheroes, fight villains and help create a dynamic story in a visually-stunning, 3D graphical setting.
NCsoft and Lineage are registered trademarks of NCsoft Corp. PlayNC, PlayNC.com and ArenaNet are trademarks of NCsoft Corp. City of Heroes is a trademark of NCsoft Corp. and Cryptic Studios, Inc. Cryptic Studios is a trademark of Cryptic Studios, Inc. All other trademarks and trade names are the properties of their respective owners.
I just can't bring myself to play more games where elves are a class.
No elves in city of heroes. One of my characters is gal in a pink bikini.
It is surprising I liked city of heroes since there is no PVP and they are trying to keep the game friendly to 13 year olds.
The name police out in force.
Profanity filter what the fucking hell is a profanity filter.
At least you can turn it off.
In COH the max player level is 40. (supposed to be raised to 50 soon)
Someone on the forum claimed they reached level 40 in 152 hours of playing time.
My max is no where near that.
But I don't know what I am doing and I have started more than 15 characters.
One of which is called "Neocron Refugee".
Which per their rules they would ask me to change since I assume Neocron is a trademarked name.
But this is assuming that any of the other players know what Neocron is.
You get 8 characters per server and there are I think 11 servers = 88 character slots.
The graphics put Neocron to shame.
Standing over wrecked a city with leaning, burned out buildings and totaled cars.
Every game should have views in it that just look cool.
Every game should have views in it that just look cool.
screw what it looks like, give me the 60 or 100k users
holy shit...can you even imagine NC with that many? That's what, near 10k per server on City of Heros? Does the game let you know how many are on when you log in? I'm curious to know how many are on at a time.
Still...sheesh. What was the most people on at a time in Neocron?
800 or so...
Still 600 on Saturn on itīs peak man that was a horrible lag I dont know but the NC engine or netcode or what ever canīt handle 10 000 or even the map it selfe. Canīt understand why they doesnt do it bigger, come on look at Project Entropia sheeez their map is huge and NC are only like 1/4 of it but then again they dont have any cities that are so complex like NC. Still the Wasteland could be 3 - 4 times bigger with more mobs and content :(
Mobs you kill when capped.......
TG area -> Grims, Brunte, Horror, Dommies, Raptors
MB area -> WB:s
Caves -> 70/70 - 80/80 and mob boss
Grant mine -> Y soldiers "hard like hell to solo"
Middle of the map -> Stupid flying shit that cant be hacked because of a 2 inch thick tree holing a 400 ton shit craft up O_o
Thatīs it after 1― years of playtime....
I wanīt more mobs, they should inplant at least one every patch that would be like 30 new mobs or something :D
The hype machine revolving around those games was immense. Also, Korea.
Korean base + ANY MMO = lots of subscribers.
I don't think CoH is that big a deal in Korea.
It was a fun game but I don't think I'd pay for it. Not because it's bad but just that it wasn't my thing. There is some consentual PvP in it, or there was at least. PvP is mainly due to become serious with the Villains upgrade I believe.
I can't see L2 being big outside Asia long-term tbh. Then again the Korean market alone made Lineage I the biggest MMO in the world so why would they care?
Clownst0pper
14-05-04, 01:30
The way I see it, Ive played almost every Online RPG out there, (currently installing Ryzom)
And have NEVER encountered an online game which has gripped me as much as Neocron, the PVP is unrivaled, pure and simple.
U can gaurentee every fight is different, even if ur fighting the same character, that is what neocron has over every other Online RPG.
impossible to make 1 every patch. maybe everymonth. mostly do to making a mob skins. then agin thay do hav some skins that are not in the game.
and i seen some that are in game but are not added.
The way I see it, Ive played almost every Online RPG out there, (currently installing Ryzom)
And have NEVER encountered an online game which has gripped me as much as Neocron, the PVP is unrivaled, pure and simple.
U can gaurentee every fight is different, even if ur fighting the same character, that is what neocron has over every other Online RPG.
and ur right. nc can be big. but its also remeber. game play changes. am sure if kk start rolling in the butter thay will make it bigger remeber their still tokyo2 and that can extent over the forbben sea :)
also look on ur new maps u can see a volcano. that would be a uber lvling area :) nothin but fire mobs and battles of bridges :) that rock up and down :)
I think the volcano was someone exercising some "artistic license", I mean how can there even be a Catlock Bay if there's a big mountain full of lava right above TG?
sanityislost
14-05-04, 06:03
havent played CoH but it seems like a game for 10 year old crack whores, and i prolly wouldnt even be able to say that on there forums incase a tiny 10 year chap reads it gets crazy thoughts and decides to go find out wtf porn is.
but yea clown dude i agree with ya atm no other game has the sweet pvp combat that neocron has. only prob is they have more people...... :S
hopefully that will get sorted soon once MJS's lil advert minions get there asses into gear.
@MJS: whip them harder and faster plz for the random people playing this game ;)
i played or am playing WoW (world of warcraft beta)
gave both of my linaege II beta accounts away
nothing comes close to what neocron has to offer
i really cant play any other mmorpg's after neocron
they are all just so boring
Original monk
14-05-04, 09:06
The way I see it, Ive played almost every Online RPG out there, (currently installing Ryzom)
And have NEVER encountered an online game which has gripped me as much as Neocron, the PVP is unrivaled, pure and simple.
U can gaurentee every fight is different, even if ur fighting the same character, that is what neocron has over every other Online RPG.
true true
John_Ravenhawk
14-05-04, 10:00
You people are on crack.. CoH rocks and if they get COV out quick
you PKing asses will have something to do... I like the mob hunting and
the missions involved.. If KK could get off their asses and make this game
like that one I would never complain.. But they don't care what we think
all they care about is the new customer base they are getting with BDOY.
If you think COH is just for kids please explain why you think so I have been
playing since it was released and with the debt system in place it is harder to
level.. I log on every night and the missions it is giving me I always have something to do... Neocron has one mindless roaming killing the same
creatures, Mindless roaming trying to find someone to poke, build, or research
something and Mindless PKing for the unbalanced character structure. FPS
may be here but due to the fact it is point skill based even if i am a better
twitch player than the stupid tanks I get ganked.. If i get buffed by a PPU
monk then my stealth is useless.. So stop saying COH is for kids when all games are for kids..
wtf that's so much for a monthly MMORPG im sticking with cron that's a ripoff seirously I don't care how good the content or the game is ... stupid ... they have forgetten it's a GAME they are producing...
sanityislost
14-05-04, 11:36
So stop saying COH is for kids when all games are for kids....
So your saying a game with hardcore violence,strippers, and drom sex should be played by "just been pushed out age" to 10 because its made for kids?
Prankster26193
14-05-04, 14:19
In beta 4 there used to be about 2K people per server, but that changed quickly :P
AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 12, 2004--NCsoft(R) Corporation (KSE: 036570.KS), the world's leading developer and publisher of online computer games, today revealed that its two recent releases, City of Heroes(TM) and Lineage(R) II, already have reached more than 160,000 subscribers combined since they launched simultaneously in North America on April 28. City of Heroes has more than 100,000 subscribers and the Lineage service has moved past 60,000 subscribers. The numbers were reached in less than two weeks and were attained with what some are calling one of the smoothest commercial service launches in the history of massively multiplayer online games.
What they fail to mention about the 60k Lineage 2 subscribers is that 30k of those accounts are from China and Korea(it's a North American/Europeon release, mind you) and are being used by cyber cafe/sweatshop farmers to farm adena(ingame credits) 24/7 to sell on Ebay and other websites in violation of both the EULA and Rules of Conduct.
Yet NCSoft has done nothing about it(even though they can log anything they want to ingame).
Go check out the 30+ pages of adena for sale on Ebay.....
They also launched Lineage2 without wiping the beta servers, even after NCSoft admitted that there was rampent duping and exploiting going on, and millions of adena for sale on Ebay at the time.
Also much of the content was still not ingame at the time of release, it's been delayed till June.
I would imagine a few months from now there won't be 60k subscribers, there's already dozens, if not hundreds of people cancelling their accounts already.
Check the Lineage2 forums if you don't believe me.....
Oh, and about Robert Garriott, what a sellout, all he cares about anymore is the bottom line, the greedy bastard...
And to think there's a diner named after him or his brother in Neocron....
What they fail to mention about the 60k Lineage 2 subscribers is that 30k of those accounts are from China and Korea(it's a North American/Europeon release, mind you) and are being used by cyber cafe/sweatshop farmers to farm adena(ingame credits) 24/7 to sell on Ebay and other websites in violation of both the EULA and Rules of Conduct.
Yet NCSoft has done nothing about it(even though they can log anything they want to ingame).
Go check out the 30+ pages of adena for sale on Ebay.....
They also launched Lineage2 without wiping the beta servers, even after NCSoft admitted that there was rampent duping and exploiting going on, and millions of adena for sale on Ebay at the time.
Also much of the content was still not ingame at the time of release, it's been delayed till June.
I would imagine a few months from now there won't be 60k subscribers, there's already dozens, if not hundreds of people cancelling their accounts already.
Check the Lineage2 forums if you don't believe me.....
Oh, and about Robert Garriott, what a sellout, all he cares about anymore is the bottom line, the greedy bastard...
And to think there's a diner named after him or his brother in Neocron....
hehe Is this ENGLISH servers?? ^_^ I never heard of anything like this on the server I play on except for the Adena selling thing.. :)
hehe Is this ENGLISH servers?? ^_^ I never heard of anything like this on the server I play on except for the Adena selling thing.. :)
Yes, the North American servers.
You may have not encountered it, because the Chinese/North American/Europeon IP's were banned from Koreas', Japans' and Taiwans' servers.
No IP's have been banned from the North American servers....
Yes, the North American servers.
You may have not encountered it, because the Chinese/North American/Europeon IP's were banned from Koreas', Japans' and Taiwans' servers.
No IP's have been banned from the North American servers....
Maybe I should go play on North American server!! :P
John_Ravenhawk
14-05-04, 15:11
Teenage Kids are still kids, and games are tailored for them in COH some of the
costumes I have seen are women almost completely naked. I will take some
screenshots of the so called kids game costumes.. Some comics in this
world are racy. I think in a MMORPG game it is all a matter of who you are
playing with anyways. I have played with people in Neocron who seemed
really mature only to find out in RL that they were 12.
I think the volcano was someone exercising some "artistic license", I mean how can there even be a Catlock Bay if there's a big mountain full of lava right above TG?
I think it's Bay as in storage bay.
Besides, there's underwater volcanoes as well or volcanic islands, so there could in fact be a bay there.
Maybe I should go play on North American server!! :P
I hope you can speak/type pin yin....
wo bu dong yin yu
:lol:
I hope you can speak/type pin yin....
wo bu dong yin yu
:lol:
:lol: Goober.. :)
They also launched Lineage2 without wiping the beta servers, even after NCSoft admitted that there was rampent duping and exploiting going on, and millions of adena for sale on Ebay at the time.The US "beta" wasn't a beta at all. It was a marketing exercise. The code wasn't noticable changed from the asian version released many months earlier AFAIK.
Also much of the content was still not ingame at the time of release, it's been delayed till June.Content was absent indeed, the reason given was that it would come with retail. I don't know if that happened as I got bored of it very quickly.
L2 won't flop I'm sure of that. It may not maintain dominance in the US and EU markets but that really won't matter in the long run.
The US "beta" wasn't a beta at all. It was a marketing exercise. The code wasn't noticable changed from the asian version released many months earlier AFAIK.
Content was absent indeed, the reason given was that it would come with retail. I don't know if that happened as I got bored of it very quickly.
L2 won't flop I'm sure of that. It may not maintain dominance in the US and EU markets but that really won't matter in the long run.Jernau I sent you a reply to your Privat emessage.. :) I also like to say most complianing i hear so far about LineageII has come from westerners.. ^^
Still 600 on Saturn on itīs peak man that was a horrible lag I dont know but the NC engine or netcode or what ever canīt handle 10 000 or even the map it selfe. Canīt understand why they doesnt do it bigger, come on look at Project Entropia sheeez their map is huge and NC are only like 1/4 of it but then again they dont have any cities that are so complex like NC. Still the Wasteland could be 3 - 4 times bigger with more mobs and content :(
Neocron map is smaller than almost any current MMORPG unfiortunately and its not getting expanded.. :(
U can gaurentee every fight is different, even if ur fighting the same character, that is what neocron has over every other Online RPG.
Any high level person i have PvPed with in Lineage II has always been different.. Even fighting them more than once.. your statement is completely untrue. ^^
Jernau I sent you a reply to your Privat emessage.. :) I also like to say most complianing i hear so far about LineageII has come from westerners.. ^^
Yeah I got it, thanks :).
wrt L2 - I can believe that easily. I can also believe that the asian servers are much better run that the US/EU ones. After all, they are the core market. Without wanting to start a "country a> country b" debate I also think there are more Asian gamers interested in making the RP side work while most of the non-Asian servers are full of hormonal teenagers leering at half-naked elves.
I was excited about Lineage 2.
I was happy to get a beta invite (even if it was a marketing tool).
But I was disappointed in the game.
I found it to be such a leveling grind game.
COH. Read about the game coming out and thought "what udder crap designed for 13 year olds"
I am not even going to sign up for beta.
But then I started reading the good beta reviews broke down and signed up for the beta.
I enjoyed the last few days of the beta and bought the game.
My first MMORPG since I bought Neocron. And I play a lot of betas.
The bottom line I have fun in COH and that is all the matters to me.
I wish Neocron had 100k subcribers.
I wish the game was better.
I wish it crashed less.
But I am realistic.
I have been here since beta.
The way I see it, Ive played almost every Online RPG out there, (currently installing Ryzom)
And have NEVER encountered an online game which has gripped me as much as Neocron, the PVP is unrivaled, pure and simple.
U can gaurentee every fight is different, even if ur fighting the same character, that is what neocron has over every other Online RPG.
1.) Ryzom is shit
2.) AO is teh win
3.) PvP-wise --> Soldner
well i have got coh ,even got an import which didnt come cheap and i am not impressed .
the servers all go down every day for maintenence
the mobs you can fight are all the same
server lag is so bad all online were broadcasting time dilation reliving 5 sec intervals
no hideouts,no vehilcles,set career paths
and the system for death really suxx,if you die on a mission then you lose xp and you have to earn double to get it back
and as its an american game( no offense ) the number of players is low during afternoon gmt
bunch of noobs and kiddles running about
not grim enough( see batman 1960` a tv AAAAAAAAAAAAArggggghh!!!)
and as its an american game( no offense ) the number of players is low during afternoon gmt I might be wrong but isnt City of Heroes a *Korean* game?
John_Ravenhawk
16-05-04, 08:32
When COV comes out you will probably be there... smacking down the Noobs..
Notneo, lets get the facts straight shall we?
When you die in City of Heroes you are issued experience debt. No experience is taken away from you whatsoever. Say at level 12 you die, you get around 350 debt xp.
Your experience bar just moves at half the pace until the 350 debt is removed. No experience lost or levels lost, just your xp gained moves slower until debt is eliminated.
You cannot LOSE xp or LOSE levels.
Absolutely the BEST death penalty of all time in online games.
And by the way this game City of Heroes is a blast to play. I have created twelve characters. You are allowed to create ten on each server.
The character creation is phenomenal. I created a character so much like a comic book hero that people stop dead in their tracks and ask for autographs, serious.
I've created female characters that make people stop dead in their tracks and oogle the beauty. Its amazing the detail these characters have. And amazing what you can do with them such as FLYING and Super Jumping.
Skycrapers that are so tall it will get you dizzy when you look down. The game runs flawlessly from launch which is a MIRACLE.
Neocron, Star Wars Galaxies, and City of Heroes are my online games that I play and pay for each month. City of Heroes by far has the best character creation.
Character creation alone is worth the price per month to play this gem online.
Get this game, you wont be disappointed.
That makes me sick... you cant PK in city of heros? WTF is that about? Id wanna be a super villan and just kill and destroy all day... oh well, I guess just 1 more mmorpg for carbears to have their little hand holding and sing along sessions in..
There is PvP in CoH but it's very limited until the Villains add-on is released.
There is a very good reason for this - all the player characters are on the same side at the moment.
well, thats lame... I cant belive they would release it without villans... what exactly do you do in the game then? use your super powers to save cats from trees?
well, thats lame... I cant belive they would release it without villans... what exactly do you do in the game then? use your super powers to save cats from trees?
You level up so when the villains arrive you can kick their arses.
ok... no villians... I really dont understand what you do then... how do you level? Lift trucks up and down? run around the planet a few times? or is it sent in kind of a phantasy modern times where there are monsters to fight and level on? If your not fighting super villians I dont get what you do in the game.
It's VERY mission-driven. More so than any other MMORPG I've tried. Levelling is more like an off-line game. It's a bit like GTA3 in a way, you build up a network of contact NPCs who give you missions.
got to say it you are obviosly brain dead the game suxx
and btw if its korean how come i got it on import from canada
the game blows,nuff said
got to say it you are obviosly brain dead the game suxx
and btw if its korean how come i got it on import from canada
the game blows,nuff saidNCsoft is a Korean game developer.. but they are also a Publisher for other games.. so City of Heroes might be an english game I dont know.. I have never played it because it seems to be for kids but others have said otherwise so I might try it... ^^
John_Ravenhawk
17-05-04, 15:12
go to the website and read all about it.
http://www.coh.com
City of Villians the expansion set is already in development.. PVP is not
available. It is the most mission driven game I have been in..
Hunting Mobs is fun and I haven't had a problem with a server since I have
played. If you are all about PVP please wait until COV since whatever review
you give will be skewed.
That makes me sick... you cant PK in city of heros? WTF is that about? Id wanna be a super villan and just kill and destroy all day... oh well, I guess just 1 more mmorpg for carbears to have their little hand holding and sing along sessions in..After all this time... how can you still maintain that you are suprised by or dont understand the fact that people like to play games where they dont kill other players or arent killed by other players?
Call them stupid or lame or whatever, but at least come to grips with the fact that people LOVE to play single player games with NO multiplayer aspects, and people LOVE to play multiplayer games where they play ALONG SIDE of others and COOPERATE with others instead of necessarily being AGAINST others.
If nothing else, look at the populations of online games without PvP and then look at the populations of the games with PvP. You are the minority Vett.
You dont have to like it, or agree with it, but at least accept it.
prozium wrote:
i played or am playing WoW (world of warcraft beta)
gave both of my linaege II beta accounts away
nothing comes close to what neocron has to offer
i really cant play any other mmorpg's after neocron
they are all just so boring
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yup...
When you die in City of Heroes you are issued experience debt. No experience is taken away from you whatsoever. Say at level 12 you die, you get around 350 debt xp.
Your experience bar just moves at half the pace until the 350 debt is removed. No experience lost or levels lost, just your xp gained moves slower until debt is eliminated.
You cannot LOSE xp or LOSE levels.
Actually, technically speaking you do lose some experience from that, as you'd be earning 700 experience to gain that normal 350 experience, which is basically exactly the same as losing 350 experience, except that this also has negative effects when you don't have any experience because you've just levelled. (Which is normal in most MMO's with experience loss on death; you generally lose 1% of your experience, with the lowest possible experience you can have being either 0 or what you needed to get to your current level, but you never lose a level)
Maybe I'm not understanding properly though.
John_Ravenhawk
18-05-04, 02:08
I would rather pay debt than lose levels which was definitely the case in EQ.
I think they should implement a debt system in Neocron it might make levelling
the higher level mobs more of a challenge if you had something to lose it
might make you think twice before jumping into battle.
Someone is gonna scream necro prolly, but who cares.
If Neocron had as few bugs as CoH, and as good publicity (more CDV bashing, not KK) AND it could even SUPPORT half the players CoH has, it would most likely GET them.
I seem to remember the servers getting unplayable at a little over 1000 players.
Again, I truly hope BDoY lives up to the standards that NC doesnt meet. The game itself is an amazing idea. More depth added, bugs fixed (without new ones introduced), more GM's giving a more personalised experience, bigger and better servers (to handle more players) and it'll be a shining halo around MJS' head, and probably around his wrists when he gets a new rolex.
- Flyk
Alia Atreides - Virtue
Vao - Virtue
You can lose levels from death in Lineage 2 and also in FFXI I believe. In fact I can't see any point in having XP-loss on death if you can't de-level as it would just penalise lower level characters.
Well, its pathetic, all I can say. The fact that people would wanna play vs dumb AI (and all games AI is dumb... yes including far cry... good game, but still predictable, dumb AI) It just shows how weak and stupid they are "oh, look at me, I can beat a monster with bad AI by ganging up on it with a bunch of people" wow.... fun.... And, even if most people prefer non pvp games, doesnt mean we cant have a few more... there still are many people who DO like it.
Well it's your loss then really. I prefer to play many types of games for the different things they have to offer.
CoH is one of the most complete MMOs out there at the moment. PvP is all that's missing and that's why I won't play it at release but it will come in time and they have good reasons to do it the way they have. It's not the first MMO to delay PvP until the world had developed a bit and it won't be the last because it's a good idea. It allows them to populate the game world and start off the storyline without all the problems NC has had as well as giving an opportunity to properly consider balance in a live world.
CoH is fun, plain and simple ............ anyone that wants to hunt with me
Victory - Firebrand-Omega
just got fly and it's a whole different game as you go around the top of the skyscrapers.
{MD}GeistDamnit
18-05-04, 10:16
I havent look at the intire thread, but I have checked out city of heroes, and my friend has an account on it, which he swears it is a great game. And yes it and a lot of other.......erm, ok all other mmo's have more subscribers than neocron. But the one thing that keeps me here and away from others ( just tried trial of DAoC and quit after 1 hour ) is the fact that neocron is an action mmo, all those others no matter how deep are total bore-fest's. Neocron may have only 900 people or less at peak times, but I honestly dont blame KK or anything about the game, it's all about the fact that either nobody in the "mainstream" has heard of it, or nobody in the mmo community can appriciate it's type of gameplay. Not to mention it is a lot less deep in terms of time spent, but that's because it isn't a money hogging treadmill.....as much as what they are used to.
So no matter the population NC is a better game hands down. all they need is to advertize more and more effectively. I am betting on the DoY to bring a revitalization to not only the game, but the company/dev house as well. if it dosen't, then we will all move on to other games, either way we will be playing games, so "yawn" on to the next conquest ;)
John_Ravenhawk
18-05-04, 21:32
so what do you do when there is no one to PVP with push people into
the zone you can kill them in a punch holes in a target..
The mobs in Neocron suck compare to the ones in COH at least they try to
avoid being killed..
Neocron and KK hear this get me a Mission Based system or events and I will
have something to do until that day you will never be as good as COH.
and when PVP comes by the way of City of Villians and BDOY is released as an
even more bugged version of this game I will see you all there..
I prefer to look at the girl/models running around Paragon than the same stupid models from NC at the 10 enemy mobs that populate the entire server.
You keep showing the love for the Europeans in this game and the only people that play it will be the europeans.
John_Ravenhawk
18-05-04, 21:35
GothHealer on Freedom
Agnt Tom Sawyer on Virtue
Travis on Freedom
J Ravenhawk on Freedom
Available to kill the bad guys... until I turn ... (City of Villains)
I prefer to look at the girl/models running around Paragon than the same stupid models from NC at the 10 enemy mobs that populate the entire server.Its getting harder and harder to take what you say seriously.
10 enemy mobs that populate the entire server?
You keep showing the love for the Europeans in this game and the only people that play it will be the europeans.
What on Earth does that mean?
John_Ravenhawk
18-05-04, 21:45
exactly how many different mobs are there in neocron.. worth hunting at higher levels..
John_Ravenhawk
18-05-04, 21:47
and how many new types of enemies have been introduced since the games release into retail.
Well, its pathetic, all I can say. The fact that people would wanna play vs dumb AI (and all games AI is dumb... yes including far cry... good game, but still predictable, dumb AI) It just shows how weak and stupid they are "oh, look at me, I can beat a monster with bad AI by ganging up on it with a bunch of people" wow.... fun....IRONY ALERT, IRONY ALERT.
Take out "monster with dumb AI" and put in "newb" and it makes sense.
and how many new types of enemies have been introduced since the games release into retail.Hrm. First types of mobs to hunt...
Grim CHasers
Grim Persecutors (separate cause of different attacks and spawns)
Chaos Queen
Chaos Lieutenant
Swamp Cave mobs
Shaman
Crystal Cave mobs
Bat Queen
Hover-based mobs
Warbots
DOY bots
Regents Legacy Mutants
Y Replicants
STORM bots and copbots in Gaya
Laurent Mobs (GM spawn)
Kami mobs (GM spawn)
MC5 mobs
Now new mobs since retail... Cant remember all, but
Regents Mutants
Y Replicants
DOY Bots
Laurent mobs
Kami mobs
MC5 mobs
Would have to go back through patch notes to observe the rest, if there are any more.
Funny part is that most people look to killing other players for a challenge, rather than counting on more and more mobs.
John_Ravenhawk
18-05-04, 21:59
Hrm. First types of mobs to hunt...
Grim CHasers
Grim Persecutors (separate cause of different attacks and spawns)
Chaos Queen
Chaos Lieutenant
Swamp Cave mobs
Shaman
Crystal Cave mobs
Bat Queen
Hover-based mobs
Warbots
DOY bots
Regents Legacy Mutants
Y Replicants
STORM bots and copbots in Gaya
Laurent Mobs (GM spawn)
Kami mobs (GM spawn)
MC5 mobs
Now new mobs since retail... Cant remember all, but
Regents Mutants
Y Replicants
DOY Bots
Laurent mobs
Kami mobs
MC5 mobs
Would have to go back through patch notes to observe the rest, if there are any more.
Funny part is that most people look to killing other players for a challenge, rather than counting on more and more mobs.
6 new mobs since retail 2 years ago... hmm..
John_Ravenhawk
18-05-04, 22:04
I like playing in a solo situation and I guess that is why COH appeals to me
If I want to solo mobs I can. If I want to team I can. If I want to spend a night doing missions with friends I can..
PVP for me was always a nice diversion but not my end all be all for playing
a game.. I can't wait till COV comes because I will have the option to
PVP but I don't need to prove how good of a player I am.. I Just Know how good I am..
{MD}GeistDamnit
18-05-04, 22:20
honestly get off city of heroes dick and go there and play it. If you feel NC is less of a game why are you here? You can't compare the two games in any way. and again I affirm that turn based games online suck hard :/
Shadow Dancer
18-05-04, 22:21
Funny part is that most people look to killing other players for a challenge, rather than counting on more and more mobs.
Uhh because players have brains?
KK's idea of a harder mob is another insta-kill mob for which you need a ppu stuck up your *censored*
Uhh because players have brains?
KK's idea of a harder mob is another insta-kill mob for which you need a ppu stuck up your *censored*
So true. Fighting Mobs in NC is not a challenge. The mobs are stupid, have no special attacks etc. They stand there or move a bit and do some damage. Ok, some spawn more mob, but that's all. Harder mobs do more damage and have more hitpoints, but they are as stupid, as the tiniest wee crab und have nothing special.
I like fighting NPCs in singleplayer games, because they usually act more intelligent. They group, attack, hide or even take a different path to get behind you and shoot you in your back.
But in my opinion, KK should focus on implementing features, that lead to more interaction between players also including PvP. Economy, politics, war, diplomacy, pvp-missions etc. are much more challenging than bashing stupid mobs and hunting rareparts to me.
So true. Fighting Mobs in NC is not a challenge. The mobs are stupid, have no special attacks etc. They stand there or move a bit and do some damage. Ok, some spawn more mob, but that's all. Harder mobs do more damage and have more hitpoints, but they are as stupid, as the tiniest wee crab und have nothing special.
I like fighting NPCs in singleplayer games, because they usually act more intelligent. They group, attack, hide or even take a different path to get behind you and shoot you in your back.
But in my opinion, KK should focus on implementing features, that lead to more interaction between players also including PvP. Economy, politics, war, diplomacy, pvp-missions etc. are much more challenging than bashing stupid mobs and hunting rareparts to me.Umm Making more challenging mobs is just as important as making PvP better.. People do *only* hunt mobs and Reakktor should make both PvPers happy and non PvPers happy or they will scare non PvPers away..
Edit: I only hunt mobs in Neocron and I would prefer them to work on mobs and PvP.. Not just one thing.. ^^
That makes me sick... you cant PK in city of heros? WTF is that about? Id wanna be a super villan and just kill and destroy all day... oh well, I guess just 1 more mmorpg for carbears to have their little hand holding and sing along sessions in..
Cracks me up when you sound so ignorant that its hard to believe if you're serious :lol: :lol:
well, thats lame... I cant belive they would release it without villans... what exactly do you do in the game then? use your super powers to save cats from trees?
There are villians which are currently boss NPCs, muggers and other baddies. They're part of the storyline that's in the game. City of Villians is the expansion pack that will include PvP. This is where you can be the bad guy.
ok... no villians... I really dont understand what you do then... how do you level? Lift trucks up and down? run around the planet a few times? or is it sent in kind of a phantasy modern times where there are monsters to fight and level on? If your not fighting super villians I dont get what you do in the game.
Fighting crime ..... everytime you arrest (which is incapacitating someone by lowering they're health to zero) you gain XP. You do missions that involve arresting or finding objects and you gain XP. City of Heroes has by far the best XP system I've ever seen. You gain experience according to your level ... if you too high or too low then you get no XP at all. If they're more closer to your level then XP rewards are better. Mission spawns are great .... when teamed the mobs are evened out for the team so that you're not fighting mobs that are too high or too low.
Also the sidekicking feature is the best idea I've seen. Sidekicking allows a low level character join up and fight as he was the same level as you. Let's lower characters play the game in certain areas where its hard. Sidekicking has a limited range too so if you wander too far from your sidekick then the powers disappear.
I don't thinks its your "cup of tea" Vett and even when CoV will be out, you'll probably won't like it still. ;)
Its just a different type of game to Neocron that comparisons are useless. I just bored of playing Neocron for a few hours so I switch to CS or something else.
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