Community doesn't know what's good for itself? [Archive]

MisterP

09-05-04, 15:44

Well, after last night, my friend and I was talking. We've came to the conclusion through all the fighting, that APU's just suck now at PvP and are only good for dmg dealing at mob hunting with a ppu glue'd to their arse for the range (or lack of it)
At PvP u might aswell give up against a Tank(melee/heavy)/PE/SPY/PPU (Yes PPU can kill APU :rolleyes: )

So what did all the APU's do after the nerf a while back?? They did what I did and lommed to PPU. Now everyone moans when there's a ppu stuck to their fighter - well TBH, the community brought this on!! Sometimes, nerfing isnt the answer! - Hence why a shit-load of people have left this game.

See attachment of the fight at TG on Saturn last night! There was about 2-3 apu's in total, but this one screenshot was taken just outside of TG, so god knows how many more PPU's there were in TG itself.

Edit

PS:Forgot to add - some people are so screwed up, that TG were we actually attacking allies (FA) and helping/buffing etc, FA and TG enemies!! Honestly, some people really know how to screw a game right up!

SirRah

09-05-04, 15:54

APU is nerfed? did i miss something?

i do fine as APU, i dont think i deal too little dmg. o_O

MisterP

09-05-04, 15:55

How long have you been playing SirRah? (Before the APU nerf - worse thing in KK history)
Have you been up against any melee tanks/heavy? PEs?
Is there a PPU glue'd to your arse a lot?

MisterP

SirRah

09-05-04, 15:59

How long have you been playing SirRah? (Before the APU nerf - worse thing in KK history)
Have you been up against any melee tanks/heavy? PEs?
Is there a PPU glue'd to your arse a lot?

MisterP

Played hybrid since jan 2003 then lomed to APU when they nerfed hybrids. fought and killed tanks, PEs. and i rarely fight with PPU up to my arse; i only call one when the enemy keeps calling PPUs in.

and what do you mean by APU nerf? o_O

MisterP

09-05-04, 16:14

extract

09-05-04, 16:35

skills aside, in a matched situation where both players of equal skill, an APU should never be able to kill a tank 1v1......thats my opinion.....

an apu and a PE in a 1v1 match.....depends on the setup, usually hi-tech PEs suffer somewhat of a con gimp due to using non con/str giving implants....I used to have a hi-tech PE and HL and FA would sometimes eat me up, but my low tech on another server laughs at HL and FA....and if I could actually aim for shit and found someone at my horrific skill level Im sure an apu would never win against me 1v1.....

apus yes have quite a bit of a dmg output, but its easier to spec for their damage as its usually only of one type...fire or energy or poison, where as tanks, PEs and spies can do at least 2 types of dmg, and in the fusion type weapons case, 3 types of damage.....

and apus, they have some con, even enuf to get somewhat ok of resists, but a tank who can actually aim a CS will shred an apu in seconds.....where as a tank with over 500HP and a HL doing like 30-50 per shot is going to be a no win situation......

but even with my own disbeleifs, I still seem to find apus destroying everything that moves in PP

MisterP

09-05-04, 16:50

I thought that Monks create gen-tanks, and therefore should be able to control moderately - at the minute, that cant, simply.

Dribble Joy

09-05-04, 16:51

When HL actually dmged a tank and had a decent ROF.

Which server do you play on? I cant believe that you still think APU's are half-good. I truely believe its part of the reason a lot of people left.

I thought that Monks create gen-tanks, and therefore should be able to control moderately - at the minute, that cant, simply.

What are you on?

The problem with HL dmg is the range the random dmg goes to, meaning you often get hits doing 10-20 dmg as opposed to 50.

APUs are quite balanced, random dmg needs to be toned down though.

btw, Rah knows what he's on about, one of the best and most experienced APUs on uranus.

//edit.
Please don't bring RP into game balance.
APUs are fast, 35 dex into agl, more con than a spy, psi armour, only a crap APU is going to down to a tank.

SirRah

09-05-04, 17:13

skills aside, in a matched situation where both players of equal skill, an APU should never be able to kill a tank 1v1......thats my opinion.....

why should an APU never be able to kill a tank in 1vs1? imo every class should be able to kill every other class in 1vs1 (PPU not counted)

thats called balance.

and yes there was an accidently nerf of HL but that was already undone. so HL is back to normal dmg.

and i think the closer you get to cap your spells the higher is the chance of getting high values of random dmg. its just a thought tho.

Shadow Dancer

09-05-04, 17:49

but even with my own disbeleifs, I still seem to find apus destroying everything that moves in PP

Because they don't do 30-50 per shot. If they did, I would have made 5000000 complaint threads about it.

To the threadstarter, apus can do just fine on their own. I constantly destroy people in a 1v1 all the time. Their damage is the best, and I think it's perfectly fine the way it is. Although I still have major complaints about fire apoc and poison. But HL is just fine, including the random damage IMO.

APUs didn't get nerfed. O_o And they definitely don't suck for pvp.

I do think they need a better form of healing, and have their poison stack duration decreased to 5 seconds with increased damage to compensate.

n3m

09-05-04, 17:53

[ edited ]

Shadow Dancer

09-05-04, 17:56

omg n3m, your sig is pure genius. :lol:

extract

09-05-04, 18:09

why should an APU never be able to kill a tank in 1vs1? imo every class should be able to kill every other class in 1vs1 (PPU not counted)

thats called balance.

and yes there was an accidently nerf of HL but that was already undone. so HL is back to normal dmg.

and i think the closer you get to cap your spells the higher is the chance of getting high values of random dmg. its just a thought tho.

yea guess your right, however balance imo would be an apu/ppu combo that a tank could take out....like a said skills aside, a tank should never go down to an apu in 1v1, the dmg outputs are pretty much the same, and a tank has better armor, and con to boot....and when i say dmg outputs are the same take a look at CS, does like what? 101 per shot to a wb times 4(lol in an unrealistic world where all 4 shots hit) thats 404.....a apu does equal or lower per shot with HL......

thats where i get my justifacation for that comment.....this isnt an overpowered this or that statement, its just considering the odds here if 2 people with same skills fought eachother a tank vs apu...I garuntee the tank would always win....just a fact....

SirRah

09-05-04, 18:49

yea guess your right, however balance imo would be an apu/ppu combo that a tank could take out....like a said skills aside, a tank should never go down to an apu in 1v1,...

so yea, alright, balance is when the tank wins vs APU/PPU combo :rolleyes:

if the tank does that right now, respect cuz he's prolly good then. but if you change the strength of monks so that every tank could take down 2 monks thats hardly balanced.

...the dmg outputs are pretty much the same, and a tank has better armor, and con to boot....and when i say dmg outputs are the same take a look at CS, does like what? 101 per shot to a wb times 4(lol in an unrealistic world where all 4 shots hit) thats 404.....a apu does equal or lower per shot with HL......

uhm, no. APUs do more dmg than Tanks. I take down a WB way faster than a tank hence i do more dmg.

thats where i get my justifacation for that comment.....this isnt an overpowered this or that statement, its just considering the odds here if 2 people with same skills fought eachother a tank vs apu...I garuntee the tank would always win....just a fact....

and like i said before, the outcome of a fight should never be garunteed.

rob444

09-05-04, 18:49

My lvl 40 apu kills tanks just fine. Cant wait until I cap the damn monkey.

MisterP

09-05-04, 19:09

Bottom line: 90% of the time, an APU will die most other class

No matter how good you are (Shadow D m8) you'll die the most out of the two. Both unbuffed, and both fighting under fair circumstanes IE: out in the middle of some field (no guards to cover)

Oh and ur suggestion about giving APU's healing?? Use medpacks. I disagree STRONGLY about PE's being able to use Stealth! It feels like your trying to generalise all the classes, NOT specialise them all, which is what was a lot more fun about the game a while back. Hence why every fooka and his dog has left.

I also feel that all these people with stupid number of post counts influence the game way to much - these bollock'ed up changes get implement coz you harp on about em for so long, and the majority disagree (yea, lots of people play the game that dont actually post on the forums) - hence people leaving. :mad:

@ Rob444 = yea while they afk m8! :rolleyes:

Dribble Joy

09-05-04, 19:37

Bottom line: 90% of the time, an APU will die most other class

If this is so, you are a SHIT apu.

No matter how good you are (Shadow D m8) you'll die the most out of the two. Both unbuffed, and both fighting under fair circumstanes IE: out in the middle of some field (no guards to cover)

Again, only if you are shit.
1vs1, APUs, PEs and tanks are balanced.

Oh and ur suggestion about giving APU's healing?? Use medpacks.
Um... right...

I disagree STRONGLY about PE's being able to use Stealth!
This has what to do with the current discussion?
Class balance?
Yes, stealth is a problem, but it is a separate issue, using one problem to justify another isn't valid.

It feels like your trying to generalise all the classes, NOT specialise them all, which is what was a lot more fun about the game a while back.
There is a difference between balancing and makeing the same.
Playing an apu is very different from playing a tank or PE or spy.
However, their effectiveness in PvP should be the same.

I also feel that all these people with stupid number of post counts influence the game way to much - these bollock'ed up changes get implement coz you harp on about em for so long, and the majority disagree (yea, lots of people play the game that dont actually post on the forums)

That's where you are wrong.

There are many changes that the community put forward, good ones, but without a serious need and/or majority support they will not get put into the game.
Eg, Para. It ruins PvP, people hate it, they rant about how shite it is endlessly, but even with 70% of people wanting it out, nothing is done.

The forums, as with any game, are a place for the comunity to express thier views.
It is your responsibility as a player/customer to keep track of things here, if you choose to not read the forums then you have no right to come here and whine that you are never consulted.

Player ideas/changes, are rarely implemented.
The vast majority of new stuff is brought in by the devs.
Subsequent alterations are made after the community voices it's opinions.

The players with the big post counts are the ones, who obviously care about the game and it's mechanics, content and balance.
They have been on the forums the longest, they (should) know how things work, they (due to their contact with other player's specific views), know what people want, have more experience in how the game is percieved by others and their experiences.

We really don't have that much influence, and if we do, it's only if we have won the respect of the devs in our care for the game.

Shadow Dancer

09-05-04, 20:54

Bottom line: 90% of the time, an APU will die most other class

WAHT?

That is sooooooo not true. I win way more fights then I lose. Let's just say if I saw a tank or PE whom I didn't know and they were red, I would very confidently go up to them and start attacking them and feel like I have a pretty good chance of winning. The only time I feel an apu will lose 90% of the time to someone of equal skill, is if their a POB melee tank. THat's actually the only 1v1 imbalance I can think of atm. Unless of course the apu catches him from a very far distance first.

If an apu is losing 90% of his fights, then he needs alot more practise. They do extremely high damage.

Oh and ur suggestion about giving APU's healing?? Use medpacks.

O_O

Medpacks are a joke. First of all they heal so slowly and so crappily that you need to carry like 20, and that's alot of damn weight for a char with already low transport.

I disagree STRONGLY about PE's being able to use Stealth! It feels like your trying to generalise all the classes,

Huh?

I didn't say anything about pes with stealth. :wtf:

I also feel that all these people with stupid number of post counts influence the game way to much

I doubt it.

Blazer12

09-05-04, 20:58

I'm gonna have top agree with Shadow on this one. I have been playing an APU for 6-7 months now been through it all and have no problems. Do I Die? Fuck yes I die but i gr out get poked back up and go own them again. Dieing is part of the game stop crying and get some skills. If you don;t want to die at all get ur friend to roll a ppu and stick him up your ass.

Secondly about all your shit abput post counts, it's total shit. Sure I don't post on the forums much, but I am sure that most people on pluto know who I am..

And as a final note Blazer > Shadow :angel:

n3m

09-05-04, 21:03

I also feel that all these people with stupid number of post counts influence the game way to much LOL

sorry just had to quote this

Mr_Snow

09-05-04, 21:07

Apus are fine solo they can take on grims solo can take any other class solo and have a good chance of winning.

I think your problem is that you want to play a class that can kill before they are even on local like the old HL was, I remember monks sniping with HLs was fun when I did it but not when done to me, but now your enemy gets to see you on local and has a chance so you die from lack of ability to play your class, therefore you come to the forum and bitch and moan and blame balancing for your lomming to ppu.

Clownst0pper

09-05-04, 21:11

My sexy self is on there, right of the pic, with POB out.

MEH, famous :lol:

Shadow Dancer

09-05-04, 21:33

And as a final note Blazer > Shadow :angel:

You wish baby. :p

I agree with Mr_Snow. The old HL range was outrageous. A PE or tank stood no chance if caught at 230ms or so, unless the PE could stealth.

P4mp3rk3

09-05-04, 21:47

My apu buddy seems to do pretty ok. Out of a group of 7 he was able to kill 3 before he had to genrep out to save his sorry ass....

Not bad me thinks... maybe you're just not very good at being an APU?

Clownst0pper

09-05-04, 21:48

Unlike every other class, when parashocked and dmg boosted, the APU despite a Holy Heal, cannot survive as long as a tank, its impossible.

So much so are the paraspammers l8ly, I play koro more at OP wars, or try to.

Hes far more slippery, and bloody hard to take down as melee.

And tbh, is an APU's worst nightmare. POB > U

extract

10-05-04, 05:46

so yea, alright, balance is when the tank wins vs APU/PPU combo :rolleyes:

actually...yes

reasoning=take dmg output of CS for instance...take dmg output of HL for instance....take hit points and resists on a tank....take hit points and resists on a apu....I think you will find a HUGE difference....

again because there are apu and ppu monks I beleive OVERALL balance would be an apu/ppu combo that a tank could take out alone.....because once a ppu gets in the mix its pretty obvious whos gonna win that match.....

if the tank does that right now, respect cuz he's prolly good then. but if you change the strength of monks so that every tank could take down 2 monks thats hardly balanced.

actually NO, if the tank doesnt that means he sucks...a monk has not even half the hit points and shite for resist setup....yea ok, theyve got nice energy armor....and the heavy belts, but that only gets u so far....tanks have a heal, albeit a shit one, but its still a heal....secondly maybe the dmg output of a HL is slightly higher than a CS, but not by much a capped RoF CS will do pretty much equal amount of dmg over time that an apu would with a capped HL.....and this is considering random dmg of course....

Im not questioning your apu abilities here...Im just saying it makes sense that a tank could take out a solo apu easier than a solo apu could take out a tank....

and like i said before, the outcome of a fight should never be garunteed.

and it wont ever be as there are rarely fights in this game between two people of similar skill levels....

Nvidia

10-05-04, 06:26

I don't see a problem with APUs at all. The APU I'm leveling is already killing people with a kami chip in , using a Toxic Beam and a Holy Fire Halo. :wtf:

So, I really can't see what you're complaining about. It's true, medkits are slow, and I feel they should be increased.

Bottom line: If you play your APU smart, because of the insane amounts of damage you do, you shouldn't die. Honestly, I feel that the power I have with a TL 76 and TL 82 weapon is already too great, after playing a spy for so long. But I'll stick it out till the end, it should be interesting. :)

<3 teh shad.

Celt

10-05-04, 06:36

APU's are weird, when everyone has holy buffs they are underpowered(strangely, since they get the biggest benefit) but when everyone is self buffed they do just fine.

Clownst0pper

10-05-04, 08:52

when a player is dmg boosted, u cannot survive being hammered by a capped HL.

Usually just HAB everyone first, then they go down weeeell fuckin fast.

ATM apus just need a new toy, every other class seems to be getting them! :rolleyes:

ezza

10-05-04, 12:04

Original monk

10-05-04, 12:34

learn how to play apu (didnt tought ya needed THAT much skill to play em lol) and then come whining instead of the other way around :)

and evil weevel from the picture is one of the bigger nibs on saturn... he should learn how to play also ...

short, cruel, to the point

edit: SD was right about the fire apoc and poisonbeam, they deserve a boost, imo they can nerf HL even slightly aslong as they boost FA serieus and ffcourse if they make the poisonbeam decent again or if they make a rare holy pestilysis :P (a singleshotrarepoisonbeam yeah)

Candaman

10-05-04, 12:54

APU are fine on jupi i can kill solo or kill everyone with a ppu up my ass even in mb dancing round on the stairs trying to avoid guards as i'm tg killed a melee tank and a heavy tank its not hard if u have a good setup and know how to play apu

SirRah

10-05-04, 13:08

actually...yes

reasoning=take dmg output of CS for instance...take dmg output of HL for instance....take hit points and resists on a tank....take hit points and resists on a apu....I think you will find a HUGE difference....

again because there are apu and ppu monks I beleive OVERALL balance would be an apu/ppu combo that a tank could take out alone.....because once a ppu gets in the mix its pretty obvious whos gonna win that match.....

actually NO, if the tank doesnt that means he sucks...a monk has not even half the hit points and shite for resist setup....yea ok, theyve got nice energy armor....and the heavy belts, but that only gets u so far....tanks have a heal, albeit a shit one, but its still a heal....secondly maybe the dmg output of a HL is slightly higher than a CS, but not by much a capped RoF CS will do pretty much equal amount of dmg over time that an apu would with a capped HL.....and this is considering random dmg of course....

Im not questioning your apu abilities here...Im just saying it makes sense that a tank could take out a solo apu easier than a solo apu could take out a tank....

ok. lets say we take a capped APU with a capped PPU vs one capped tank without PPU. who'd you think would win? the tank?

get real. APU with holy buffs/heal = killer machine. together with resist, melee and spy buff you can get as APU: good resists, health, speed. that combined with holy s/d/heal and you take down a tank in less than 30 seconds (db and para not used).

i highly doubt you will ever find a tank take down a good APU/PPU combo on his own. ever.

APUs are just fine. they do not need a boost. just a solution for the fire/toxic - zone problem.

Lanigav

10-05-04, 13:35

APUs aren't underpowered. I've been killed many a time by a well played Fire Apocalypse in both buffed and unbuffed PvP situations on my tank, and its especially harsh when you're damage boosted. Basically if you don't have an available PPU to heal you, or you don't get enough shots off first, you're screwed.

MisterP

10-05-04, 14:43

lol apus are not bad, atm ive only got 1 active apu in my clan(until i get mine sorted ;) )however hes not played for 6 months, comes back and hes owning people, hes killed many people, as much as i do on my tank.

and as for the pre nerf monk, the apus were overpowered, and before anyone disputes me i was one back then, and the overpoweredness was the reason i dont have my old monk, yay a class than can kill anyother class in 3 hits.

way i see it apus are fine, perhaps you just lack the skills? i dont know you so cant say if you can or not, but apus are far from crap

however, after watching my mate on his apu, im starting to agree with the apus should get a heal stance

What u mean u dont know me! I've even spoke to u on TS m8 (btw, dodgy accent heheheh) :eek:

...and what about MB the last couple of weeks when I've been there on my tank and dueling u (on ']['ank)....we're pretty damn equal and I've taken down ppu's/apus. I even took a fully buff PE down, at the same time fighting u...and how can u think a apu wud stand in the way? of me or even u come to that? u would go down to an apu wud ya? :wtf: Lies! APU will go down like shit off a stick man, regardless of what these forum whores say - what wud they know? they always on the forums! :lol: :lol: :lol:

ezza

10-05-04, 14:50

ROFL i didnt look at your sig, nibbish :p

and ya, but those people i was with the first time you met me were the least skilled people on the server so if you had of died to them i would of been suprised.

but i have seen my mates apu rip apart tanks be it melee or otherwise.

i know if i was fighting someone like say SpawnTDK for example i would say it would be equal.

but ill soon find out as im making my monk to apu tonight :)

oh ya i remember now, fenix's TS iirc, not a dodgy accent, im a scouser :P

n3m

10-05-04, 14:56

I've had some neofrag sessions with spawntdk, on my tank. most of the time it was whoever shot first would win, then getting blasted in the back by the one who died :lol:

Clownst0pper

10-05-04, 14:56

Selendor

10-05-04, 14:56

I agree that APU's go down a lot at OP wars, but to me they are like the Queen on the chessboard, they have the capability to take down ppus, and thats the ball game.

Oh yeah, and my first appearance on a screenshot, nice. You can see Koro (Clownstopper) poised, facing TGHQ, ready to take down another 10 apus (imagine Hudson from Aliens :lol: )

n3m

10-05-04, 14:57

Kreole
lollol

didnt think we'd notice eh? :D :p

Clownst0pper

10-05-04, 14:58

Oh yeah, and my first appearance on a screenshot, nice. You can see Koro (Clownstopper) poised, facing TGHQ, ready to take down another 10 apus (imagine Hudson from Aliens :lol: )

Not my fault Paw of bear owns apu's and generally everyting, rofl :lol:

didnt think we'd notice eh?

My apu's a bad ass when a PPU's on her ass. :eek: :D

MisterP

10-05-04, 14:59

ROFL i didnt look at your sig, nibbish :p

and ya, but those people i was with the first time you met me were the least skilled people on the server so if you had of died to them i would of been suprised.

but i have seen my mates apu rip apart tanks be it melee or otherwise.

i know if i was fighting someone like saw SpawnTDK for example i would say it would be equal.

but ill soon find out as im making my monk to apu tonight :)

oh ya i remember now, fenix's TS iirc, not a dodgy accent, im a scouser :P

Hahaha :D

Drop me a DM in game m8, and we'll have a bit mess about in neofrag or sumit! DM one o me chars, probably MisterP or .X. tonight (apu for hunting - note lol)

Original monk

10-05-04, 15:06

Original monk, there are very few good APU's on saturn.

Devils Grace
Jerry Seinfeld
Red Moon
Evil Weevil
Kreole
Zappanker

Of the top of my head thats about it, i could mention double the amount of PE's and Tanks, Y? cos atm, apu's are pretty sucky :confused:

lol ya must be kidding me, altough this is pure keep it ingame talk ffcourse

i dunno zappanker and red moon ... DG is ok, same as kreole :P .. , jerry is fun to fight with cause he always calls ya a nib even if ya woop he's ass 15 times :P and evil weevil is a retard ... he's not even slightly good ... he plays aggresive yeah but thats about it ...

as i wrote above: evil weevil from the picture posted here in the starterthread needs to go get some skills ... daamn amateur

Clownst0pper

10-05-04, 15:09

lol ya must be kidding me, altough this is pure keep it ingame talk ffcourse

i dunno zappanker and red moon ... DG is ok, same as kreole :P .. , jerry is fun to fight with cause he always calls ya a nib even if ya woop he's ass 15 times :P and evil weevil is a retard ... he's not even slightly good ... he plays aggresive yeah but thats about it ...

as i wrote above: evil weevil from the picture posted here in the starterthread needs to go get some skills ... daamn amateur

If you think my list is of "ok" standards, 1 i take offence to my name in that sentence, and 2, id bloody love to see ur apu in action, OH wait, I never have, hes that good 8|

Come to a saturn OP war, Zappanker and Red moon are probably the best APUs ive faught along side for a long time

n3m

10-05-04, 15:11

yeah Zappanker is an excellent apu

and isnt red moon BD??
I think he killed my spy in aggy cellars

Clownst0pper

10-05-04, 15:16

yeah Zappanker is an excellent apu

and isnt red moon BD??
I think he killed my spy in aggy cellars

Yup red moons APU, doesnt mean i didnt use to work with him when I was cartel, he can take some bloody hammer, doesnt give it out too well tho, needs to learn about a pretty spell called HAB.

ANYWAYYYYY this is way off topic, where was we! :lol:

Original monk

10-05-04, 15:20

If you think my list is of "ok" standards, 1 i take offence to my name in that sentence, and 2, id bloody love to see ur apu in action, OH wait, I never have, hes that good 8|

Come to a saturn OP war, Zappanker and Red moon are probably the best APUs ive faught along side for a long time

hehe nib, youre list is very ok :) (dont put yourself in a list btw)... i duno zappanker and red moon tough so i cant comment on em :)

except for evil weevil ... he's a nerd

and i never said anything about my ppu, apu or hybrid ... and no im not going to PROVE myself for no-one ...

ask vetterox what happend last time i saw em ingame :P (i felt so guilthy that i rezzed em myself)

and participate in a saturn OPfight ? no thanx ... been there done that ... *yawn*

edit: you forget spawnTDK (could be he sold he's account now) in youre list: he is really really fun to fight with, same as dangerklaus :) (those 2 guys had to be mentioned altough i dont have to good of a relation with em :P)

and is zappanker an alt of ZAP ? i remember zap from "<0>wnage" :)

Jesterthegreat

10-05-04, 15:25

APU is nerfed? did i miss something?

i do fine as APU, i dont think i deal too little dmg. o_O

whiners need a nerf o_O

i see no problem with APU's either. have got beaten by APU's recently and have killed APU's recently

i see no problem...

Clownst0pper

10-05-04, 15:28

and participate in a saturn OPfight ? no thanx ... been there done that ... *yawn*

How can u possibly comment on my skill or anyone elses, if u havnt been on in the last few days or weeks?

People improve, and TBH, i dont think zappanker, myself, or red moon can O_o

Blazer12

10-05-04, 15:29

Sorry ladies, Pluto is where all the good APU's are at. ;)

I mean we have,

Shadow Dancer
Faunauro
Nemesis_2k

and thats pretty much the list ;)

Jesterthegreat

10-05-04, 15:31

Sorry ladies, Pluto is where all the good APU's are at. ;)

I mean we have,

Shadow Dancer
Faunauro
Nemesis_2k

and thats pretty much the list ;)

"all the good APU's" are 3 people?

well that really makes me wanna play Pluto... 3 whole good players in a single class O_o

tbh i could list a bunch of peeps from my server here... but anyone who plays the server knows the good people. they dont need their ego's inflated.

good people know they are good. other people know good people are good. we dont need to go into listing them.

Original monk

10-05-04, 15:33

How can u possibly comment on my skill or anyone elses, if u havnt been on in the last few days or weeks?

People improve, and TBH, i dont think zappanker, myself, or red moon can O_o

daamn you what do you have today lol

i dunno how you play ... i said ok out of respect, not to start a flamewar about youre skillness or skillless ... what do i care lol

and i have been on more then enough ... i seen you a million times this weekend btw ... on every possible alt of you ... we even discussed the kamichips i think (youre koro, isa etc not ? )

and I DONT KNOW RED MOON AND ZAPPANKER

I DONT KNOW EM, let alone comment on there o so called skill ...

skill is bullshit in neocron ... its more like 90% hollywood and 10% skill

playing violin is skill ... playing neocron is peanuts ...

:P

Clownst0pper

10-05-04, 15:35

playing violin is skill ... playing neocron is peanuts ...

lmfao, ok ok. :D

@ Jester the Great, 3 APU's on Pluto is half the population, thats a bloody big chunk dude ;) :lol:

Blazer12

10-05-04, 15:39

"all the good APU's" are 3 people?

well that really makes me wanna play Pluto... 3 whole good players in a single class O_o

That would have been a little hint of sarcasm, and a hint of the server's population. I'm sure u saw it, but it was hidden deep within the text.

Edit: learning how to spell might help my point get across :D

MisterP

10-05-04, 16:37

Listen u forum whores :lol:

Wait until myself n ezza or anyone else that wants to join us in NF come back with something we can go off, dont wanna see this thread closed to u lot coz u cant keep personal shit aside, and mostly likely cos u got fuck all to do at work :rolleyes:

Shakari

10-05-04, 16:46

Original monk

10-05-04, 16:47

blazer12, masterP called you a forumwhore

kick em in the ****

MisterP

10-05-04, 16:51

@ Shakari - no m8 it used to be higher with a good range, oh and damage did something....

@ Original Monk - do some work u forum whore 8|

jiga

10-05-04, 17:17

PS:Forgot to add - some people are so screwed up, that TG were we actually attacking allies (FA) and helping/buffing etc, FA and TG enemies!! Honestly, some people really know how to screw a game right up!
Err if u look carefully there are FAs amongst the CAs. Isn't that justification for killing FAs???

MisterP

10-05-04, 17:55

Not the other night there wasnt...

But CA is neutral to FA, why would FA allie with a neutral, when their own allies are under attack? I stick to my first post :)

Nidhogg

10-05-04, 18:07

This thread has wandered far into KIIG teritory and, let's be honest, it didn't have to wander that far. If it continues as a discussion of people or clans then I will close it.

N

n3m

10-05-04, 19:12

Not the other night there wasnt...

But CA is neutral to FA, why would FA allie with a neutral, when their own allies are under attack? I stick to my first post :)Because err some clan can't remember which one, signed a NAP with BD

and wtf is KIIG :insert a wtf face here:

Original monk

10-05-04, 19:59

@ Shakari - no m8 it used to be higher with a good range, oh and damage did something....

@ Original Monk - do some work u forum whore 8|

ive been working my ass off all day lol, the times i posted this i had a second free :P phew

but i must confess i got a bit outta line :/

its clownstopper *points* he dragged me into this :P

bah im actin like a baby :/

cu, respect, no more troubles (today :P) im off to play some game :)

n3m

10-05-04, 21:51

I got pwned by Kreole :(

and another apu

omg deja vu, looks at sig :lol:

Shakari

11-05-04, 13:27

@ Shakari - no m8 it used to be higher with a good range, oh and damage did something....

@ Original Monk - do some work u forum whore 8|

the only thing that was altered was the range of beam based stuff and is fine as it is now Dmg and Freq have not been changed!

slaughteruall

11-05-04, 13:28

the only thing that was altered was the range of beam based stuff and is fine as it is now Dmg and Freq have not been changed!

I think he was referring to the Random Damage. Which we did not used to have.

Slaughter

MisterP

11-05-04, 16:24

ROF was 169 Shakari :) ( I think!)

slaughteruall

11-05-04, 17:59

ROF was 169 Shakari :) ( I think!)

If your referring to ROF on beam spells (minus FA) it's always been 105 as far as i can remember.

Slaughter

Clownst0pper

11-05-04, 18:11

I got pwned by Kreole :(

U know ur place ;)

<3

spongeb0b

11-05-04, 18:22

I thought that Monks create gen-tanks, and therefore should be able to control moderately - at the minute, that cant, simply.

they created the gentank on mass to fight in the ceres wars? idk the full story but if they created them for war than the tank should be a tough to kill higher dmg character otherwise the monks would have fought instead of them

MisterP

11-05-04, 18:37

If your referring to ROF on beam spells (minus FA) it's always been 105 as far as i can remember.

Slaughter

Indeed I am referring to em..

..you have a short memory though ;)

Shadow Dancer

11-05-04, 19:12

well that really makes me wanna play Pluto... 3 whole good players in a single class O_o

That's about 25% of the population already.

:rolleyes:

MisterP, why do I get the feeling you don't want a discussion? It looks like you're just waiting to for everyone to agree with you, or you just call them a forum whore and don't even counter their arguements. O_o

Heavyporker

11-05-04, 19:50

fecking idiots.

the same reason why bosses, policiticans, and generally powerful ppl get others to fight/do work for them... because they don't like expending the effort, and moreover, don't like the risk of actually dying.

sheesh, people, think it through. and the Monks would've NEVER made a class more powerful than themselves. Third rule of power.

MisterP

11-05-04, 20:48

That's about 25% of the population already.

:rolleyes:

MisterP, why do I get the feeling you don't want a discussion? It looks like you're just waiting to for everyone to agree with you, or you just call them a forum whore and don't even counter their arguements. O_o

Well thats not entirly true, u see, I read what everyone put, then I looked at ur post count and thought, daaaaamn, he must ave posted a lotta shite, so I sorta discounted urs a bit ;)

At least someone thinks along my lines (Mr Heavyporker)