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I think they should tone down the tank class. I've made a level 30 class so far and he can solo grim persecutors unbuffed!
enigma_b17
29-04-04, 15:47
lol tanks are not overpowered, theyr just fine as they are
yeah i agree with enigma, tanks are pretty much the only balanced class, well spys are ok, and pe only need a little tweakage....leave em i say...except the Dev lol :D
Shadow Dancer
29-04-04, 15:49
Your skill in trolling has increased by 1. It is now level 500.
:p
The only classes I havent done that with are a ppu and a spy and probably could if I was particularly arsed (the spy not the ppu, I would never waste my time on that with a ppu).
Your skill in trolling has increased by 1. It is now level 500.
:p
:)
Seriously though, level 30 and I am seriously soaking up tons of damage.
Dribble Joy
29-04-04, 15:51
Any class with the right knowhow can solo a grim chaser.
Tanks do exell at PvM, they have decent defences and huge dmg output.
I don;t think you can say they are overpowered due to your experiences with one in PvM up to lvl 30 O_o.
why is that evry time a noob got his butt kicked posting a whine post if your a noob get jused to it shess i got 4 chars and there been killed by almosy evry class out here and you dont see me whine about it
Clownst0pper
29-04-04, 15:52
um, and the point of this thread is tanks are over powered because they can solo a grim... 8|
Er.
/Thread closed - Idiot topic
Any class with the right knowhow can solo a grim chaser.
Tanks do exell at PvM, they have decent defences and huge dmg output.
I don;t think you can say they are overpowered due to your experiences with one in PvM up to lvl 30 O_o.
A spy at level 30 couldn't. A PPU at level 30 couldn't. An APU at level 10 maybe,
a spy could, give him a few long range guns and all hes gotta do is be smart and persevere (sp again)
Shadow Dancer
29-04-04, 15:54
Come on archeus I know you're not serious. Tanks aren't overpowered. Everyone always makes a "OMFG THIS CLASS IS AWESOME" thread when they start leveling up a class for the first time.
Grass greener syndrome.
tanks are pretty much the only balanced class
Huh??
If they are the only one what are they balanced with?
Ban thread starter plsssss :p
overpowered? O_o
how about you stfu
for i think the first time ever im with ezza
Psychoninja
29-04-04, 17:33
It's a new trend guys, didn't you know?
Balancing PvP isn't cool anymore, we need to balance PvM too!!!
ThInK of teh DRoMS!!!!!
nerf nerf nerf nerf
It's a new trend guys, didn't you know?
Balancing PvP isn't cool anymore, we need to balance PvM too!!!
ThInK of teh DRoMS!!!!!
nerf nerf nerf nerf
Its taken long enough to get this far with balancing PvP.
Imagine the damage KK would do to what balance we have now if they tried to balance PvM too.
Although they have added armour resists to mobs in the new TS patch.
I love those Overpowerd threads:
OMFG IM RANK 1 AND I CAN SOLO A COPBOT OVERPOWERD NERF ME !
Dude Everyone can kill a grim persecutor if u hide, the higher level you are the more dmg you do then.
But i bet 100k that u exxagerated this grim thingy. cuz u cant stand infront of a grim pers without dieng at level 30.
So dont call it overpowerd if u kill a grim persecutor by AOEing a wall or shooting and hiding again.
! :mad:
for i think the first time ever im with ezzarofl 5000+ posts and this the first time you agreed with me :lol:
its even easier to solo a persecutor as a APU (level 20 and up)
that is, untill it comes around the corner and shoots, or does his "INVISABLE FAYER ATAQ!!11"
//edit
Ill get my coat :o
CRAIG DIGGERS
29-04-04, 17:51
A spy at level 30 couldn't. A PPU at level 30 couldn't. An APU at level 10 maybe,
Yes a spy can. but you need a lot of drones :)
Oh rifle or pistol? nvm then :p
rofl 5000+ posts and this the first time you agreed with me :lol: sounds about right, i havnt agreeded with sd yet :P
damn wut bs is this.
i seen spys tank. but that need str for inq 1 and con resis. and am sure u cant with a spy at rank /30
pes hav a faster time as well and ezyer time.
monks apus. i know a apu that tank a grim and hes damage output was insane killed grim in like 6 secs. of course he was capped.
tanks- thay just hav str for armor faster and con for resis. its one of their advantage. but once the other class catch up thay are good to. i cant belive someone comes and post threads like this.
Since tank , APU's , PE's and PPU's are over powered depending on the day of the week... Mebbe you should try and
1) Capp a tank
2) Stop playing spies
3) Work on your cons setup so you can solo a grim no problem
Instead of
1) Bitching cause you not as good
2) Bitching cause you still not as good
3) Bitching cause you did not choose that class
4) Bitching cause you did not taylor your resistance
How can I say this ....
I spend a lot of time on my tanks setup, cons and armour... I am probably MR average when it comes to PvP with a fully (All Stats) capped tank ... and here we have someone crying cause a tank who has thought a little ahead can solo a Grim ...
If that tank dies, would you cry that he is underpowered ?
Please leave this to the big people, who have been there and done that
I think they should tone down the tank class. I've made a level 30 class so far and he can solo grim persecutors unbuffed!
I think I see wee small txt in the corner of your post that say "Plz Flame me" :D:D
Tanks are fine as they are :D
fuck off about nerfing a class when you've barely played it and only in pvm you bunch of whiners
Nash_Brigham
29-04-04, 19:08
A spy at level 30 couldn't. A PPU at level 30 couldn't. An APU at level 10 maybe,
Actually, a PPU at level 30 can solo a grim with a baseball bat (bore witness to it).
Original monk
29-04-04, 19:13
euh, if this is a serieus question, then my serieus answer is: nah, tanks are ok :)
and yust because im tired of all those ugley sig's i gonna make myself a new siggy ...
It's strange how many people think he's serious...
It's strange how many people think he's serious...
you never know LOL you get some strange idea's floating about this forum doesn hurt to make sure the stuypid ones don't go to far LOL
on this forum the best way to go is to assume every person who talks is as stupid as they sound cause its probally true
Hehe. If he were serious, it would be the first time ever someone advocated a nerf due to PvM. :p
greendonkeyuk
29-04-04, 20:02
spies can solo pretty much any mob in the game, exactly the same as every other class when set up correctly i would imagine. as a spy ive soloed grim persecutors and grim chasers before a whole bunch of times. all you need is plenty of medkits/heals and a laser rifle and a nice terrain. laser rifle is the best ive found due to the range. you can run out of range of the chaser and heal and go back at him. it jus takes me longer than everyone else to do with my spy thats all. hell when ive had noone else to level with ive gone into the chaos caves alone to level, all you need is patience.
Spy - You have to watch your health, keep in cover, attack from distance.
PPU - (bare in mind low level). Monitor your health and buffs, Soul Cluster, distracts and terrain.
Tank - Melee/Heavy combo. Shoot at monster until it gets close to you then whack it with a laserblade. Don't really have to watch health just whack a medkit in my quickslot occasionaly.
The hard part about the grimmies is when it spawns the maulers but (with PPU experience) I know how to stop them hurting me.
Unbuffed and Inq2 armor I am soaking more damage then my PPU at that level could manage. *unbuffed*
*edit I wish to thank the -7 points to my rep for this thread. :p People need to experiment more.
:)
Seriously though, level 30 and I am seriously soaking up tons of damage.
Yeah i know, when my Heavy Tank was level 10 he owned in the lvl 1 sewer. Blew up 4 rats at once. (yes grenade launcher, selfmade) :cool:
My Melee Tank in the other hand has to slap them all at once.. lol ( lvl 53 )
Yeah i know, when my Heavy Tank was level 10 he owned in the lvl 1 sewer. Blew up 4 rats at once. (yes grenade launcher, selfmade) :cool:
My Melee Tank in the other hand has to slap them all at once.. lol ( lvl 53 )
I was killing aggies at level 10.
Could be why they named the class "Tank" ;)
why is that evry time a noob got his butt kicked posting a whine post if your a noob get jused to it shess i got 4 chars and there been killed by almosy evry class out here and you dont see me whine about it
:lol: lmao, you didn't read the post did you? You just read the title. look everyone, this guy just reads titles, and he's finally been caught out!
As for the topic, I wouldn't say so, if anything I'd say they are the most internally balanced class in the game, Spies can take tanks in the right situations and vice versa, and spies get to tradeskill whilst tanks don't (to a strong extent at least).
And again, lmao at cr33p3r.
Steve
errr no? :wtf:
this thread is worse than the "parashock halo is an exploit" thread. :wtf:
Dirk_Gently
29-04-04, 23:05
Given that Tanks are Jean-Claude Van Damme style Universal Soldiers I think they are supposed to be hard as nails.
I would say that Tanks should have maybe PSI 0 and INT maybe 5-10, to play up more to that image (you'd have to get over the whole wep lore problem for that). I'd also like to see a huge reduction in Monk's CON too and in Spy STR. I know lots of people disagree but I'd really like each character class to be far more specialised.
Mr Friendly
29-04-04, 23:09
yeah i agree with enigma, tanks are pretty much the only balanced class, well spys are ok, and pe only need a little tweakage....leave em i say...except the Dev lol :D
only balanced class huh?
so tell me why it takes no more than 5 xray CS bursts, to kill an apu, yet at LEAST 10 HLs to kill a tank.....
only balanced class huh?
so tell me why it takes no more than 5 xray CS bursts, to kill an apu, yet at LEAST 10 HLs to kill a tank.....
Last average it was 8 HLs...
You can't say anything accurate about HL anyway since it does random damage. Occasionally you can get 100 damage out of it on a Tank, get lucky like that 6 times in a row and he's dead. Also, you can cast 2 HLs in the time for 1 CS burst - 220/4 = 55 bursts/min, HL is 105/min.
Shadow Dancer
29-04-04, 23:14
only balanced class huh?
so tell me why it takes no more than 5 xray CS bursts, to kill an apu, yet at LEAST 10 HLs to kill a tank.....
Because HL rof is nearly twice the rof of CS and requires no reticle as well as apus being able to run much faster?
And it's not "at least 10" hls. Sometimes you can get away with 7 HLs even. If you're unlucky it can be like 13 though, :lol:. :p
if your complaining about tank defence being too strong, just give us FULL runspeed with cs out, and triple cs damage, then decrease our defence :p
if your complaining about tank defence being too strong, just give us FULL runspeed with cs out, and triple cs damage, then decrease our defence :p
haha im down
Personally I'm unconvinced of someone's leveling experience as compared to their endgame experience.
As such I don't see how Tanks can be overpowered while leveling. They still have their shortcomings in the end. They just get 'cool' sooner. O_o
They really don't have much to them other than str weapons....
haha im down
Well the heavy weapons is a pain to move so slow but the melee is better.
Well the heavy weapons is a pain to move so slow but the melee is better.i know ive been both classes, but i miss my CS when im melee
After a bit of NF today. In PvP Tanks are not overpowered (they appear to be at a disadvantage in fact).
However PvM the tank owns in the amount of damage they can soak. Withstood about 8 shots from an ESB. This is at level 35.
However PvM the tank owns in the amount of damage they can soak. Withstood about 8 shots from an ESB. This is at level 35.
Seems right, tanks can't use spells to protect themselves like the other classes.
I think they should tone down the tank class. I've made a level 30 class so far and he can solo grim persecutors unbuffed!
the only thing are overpowered like is hell is the ravanger, what else ? hm, tanks, hm best armor, best con, most hlt .. na they are not overpowered
o_O
RaTMaN McCruel
03-05-04, 09:27
my opinion...
comunity is overpowered. take their boards away and just leave the test server board open and continue your little tweaks
no, i am not a tank
Crahn with us!
RaTMaN McCruel
03-05-04, 11:08
Nerf grass.
nerf trees o_O :D
comunity is overpowered. take their boards away and just leave the test server board open and continue your little tweaks
block "mods" to post something like that with their normal account ...
melee tanks will be overpowered soon i bet. luckily i got the trend this time and started one on saturn. 52/51 in 2 and a half days. sex teh swampcaves! :)
steweygrrr
03-05-04, 12:28
the only thing are overpowered like is hell is the ravanger, what else ? hm, tanks, hm best armor, best con, most hlt .. na they are not overpowered
o_O
Because they are supposed to be walking tanks?
the only thing are overpowered like is hell is the ravanger, what else ? hm, tanks, hm best armor, best con, most hlt .. na they are not overpowered
o_O
lmao ravagar overpowered, you say some funny shit spawn
the only thing are overpowered like is hell is the ravanger, what else ? hm, tanks, hm best armor, best con, most hlt .. na they are not overpowered
o_O
I'd trade my duranium and inquisition armor, plus my PA with its stupid -ath penalty (remember monks whining when they had -ath on their PA?) for a full set of Holy Spirit armor and a Heavy Belt any day of the week.
lmao ravagar overpowered, you say some funny shit spawn
well, if u cant handle it ...
I'd trade my duranium and inquisition armor, plus my PA with its stupid -ath penalty (remember monks whining when they had -ath on their PA?) for a full set of Holy Spirit armor and a Heavy Belt any day of the week.
kk, u can have that con cap too !
Original monk
04-05-04, 14:31
Nerf grass.
yo nib, you aint touching the grass or you get a cap in youre knee :D no kiddin :D
and ffcourse:
block "mods" to post something like that with their normal account ...
reffering to ratman mccruel ...
who's ratman mccruel ?
can we get this thread closed, or something soon ??
Tanks are not overpowered.
This thread is stupid.
Ravagers are like CSīs they just donīt shoot at fast, and itīs "ravages" and not "blobs".
can we get this thread closed, or something soon ??
It is a valid discussion.
I'd trade my duranium and inquisition armor, plus my PA with its stupid -ath penalty (remember monks whining when they had -ath on their PA?) for a full set of Holy Spirit armor and a Heavy Belt any day of the week.
A monks defensive abilities are only in their spells not their armor. For an APU it's kill the mob before it kills them and for a PPU it is to negate the damage through shields/healing. You also don't take into the fact that Tanks can get insanely better resists then a monk without as much as a drawback.
If you think monk PA is better then a tanks then your sadly mistaken. Bare in mind I am only level 35 testing this and unbuffed with INQ3 armor (now viperking which lets me solo the CRP cave mobs 1 on 1).
Edit: Also while I think Tanks are weak PvP against others I have seen a tank down a fully buffed PPU (HH as well) with reasonable ease (bare in mind the PPU wasn't running away).
the only thing are overpowered like is hell is the ravanger, what else ? hm, tanks, hm best armor, best con, most hlt .. na they are not overpowered
o_O
Didn't realise this shit was still going on ... Over powered stuff ... especially when I think things are probably the most balance they ever been (I not saying everyithing is balanced)
1) Tanks Dont have all the best armour eg ... full set of INQ 4 gives 35% stronger than any heavy belt, those are the belts that monks and spies wear.
2) Tanks have the weakest buffs out of all.... except pur apu
3) PE's have a good setup plus stealth, where as a tank who is going to die, has not choice, can't run...just die
I think poor speis are underpwered , and could do with something better , but tanks are cool...I not sure how I feel about melee tanks but thats prob cause I haven't practiced PvP against them much .....
None the Less, thread starters thinking is a little over powered
It is a valid discussion.
......sure...
Ok, I play all char classes..
Tanks :
-Most varied armor
-Most CON
-Good damage
PEs :
-Second most varied armor
-Second most CON
-Decent to good damage
-Shelter (which actually give the PE better defenses than the tank)
-Stealth
-Sniper (ability to shoot from far away distances)
Spies :
-Low variation in armor
-Low con
-Stealth
-Sniper + Drones (ability to shoot from far away distances) + (Ability to not get hurt, if hid well enough)
PPU :
-second to no variatino in armor
-low con
-godlike defensive capabilities (result of second to no offensive capabilities)
APU :
-second to no variation in armor
-low con
-high to extreme damage output (result of practically no resists)
To me, all classes are pretty balanced..
Spies need a power-up, but thatīs it.
-=BlackBeard=-
04-05-04, 17:05
only thing overpowerd about the tank is the CS and DEV
-=BlackBeard=-
04-05-04, 17:07
......sure...
Ok, I play all char classes..
Tanks :
-Most varied armor
-Most CON
-Good damage
PEs :
-Second most varied armor
-Second most CON
-Decent to good damage
-Shelter (which actually give the PE better defenses than the tank)
-Stealth
-Sniper (ability to shoot from far away distances)
Spies :
-Low variation in armor
-Low con
-Stealth
-Sniper + Drones (ability to shoot from far away distances) + (Ability to not get hurt, if hid well enough)
PPU :
-second to no variatino in armor
-low con
-godlike defensive capabilities (result of second to no offensive capabilities)
APU :
-second to no variation in armor
-low con
-high to extreme damage output (result of practically no resists)
To me, all classes are pretty balanced..
Spies need a power-up, but thatīs it.
couldnt agree more but if u look the only thing spys have that pe dont is drones and a pe can drone well to
only thing overpowerd about the tank is the CS and DEV
u dindt have a rav hu ? the aiming of the weapon is near godlike, someone ho can handle the weapon kills nearly ever class fast as f*ck
the only thing a cs is strong - heat mod. the cs heat mod is extremly powerfull
However the tank class itself appears to be boring. :/ Seriously its like playing quake all over again. Rerolled to a PE (after seeing that glider video).
nothing too hard about auto-aiming
Clownst0pper
05-05-04, 16:05
The ravager is overpowered....
Tanks can auto-aim? Wow. You mean they just press fire and all the bullets hit thier target. wow and I thought PPUs were overpowered :rolleyes:
Haven't you quit yet?
think he is lingering like a bad smell lol or somthing like that, trying to get the last word in everyones posts I think. Anyways tanks arnt over powered they are about right now for what they are ie HC heavy combat tank big arse cannon shooting u in head u got to expect it to hurt lol. or at least sting alot. anyways had to have my say.
Leave tanks as they are.
And nerf the grass for it kills fps. (Turning it off is not a solution, it's ignoring the problem.)
2 most over-powered class of the game, no wonder people ask to leave them just as they are lol, bunch of hypocrites
u dindt have a rav hu ? the aiming of the weapon is near godlike, someone ho can handle the weapon kills nearly ever class fast as f*ck
the only thing a cs is strong - heat mod. the cs heat mod is extremly powerfull
unlike your apu with umm like no aiming need whatsoever :rolleyes:
Clownst0pper
05-05-04, 20:48
unlike your apu with umm like no aiming need whatsoever :rolleyes:
Ezza, its been said a million times, APU's dont need reticles.
A monks defensive abilities are only in their spells not their armor. For an APU it's kill the mob before it kills them and for a PPU it is to negate the damage through shields/healing. You also don't take into the fact that Tanks can get insanely better resists then a monk without as much as a drawback.
If you think monk PA is better then a tanks then your sadly mistaken. Bare in mind I am only level 35 testing this and unbuffed with INQ3 armor (now viperking which lets me solo the CRP cave mobs 1 on 1).
Edit: Also while I think Tanks are weak PvP against others I have seen a tank down a fully buffed PPU (HH as well) with reasonable ease (bare in mind the PPU wasn't running away).
The argument wasn't defence, it was armor. I'm well aware that a Tank has overall better defence than an APU, therefore it makes sense that the APU has higher damage output.
You might want to explain 'sadly mistaken'. Let me ask you a question: Which do you prefer, -ATH or -AGL on your PA?
@SpawnTDK: If Tank armor is so much better than monk armor, and CS and Rav are such great weapons, why is it that every OP fight I go to is swarming with APUs and PPUs? I think you need to play a Tank a little more.
You might want to explain 'sadly mistaken'. Let me ask you a question: Which do you prefer, -ATH or -AGL on your PA?
Which point did I mention power armor? I was solo'ing stuff without power armor that all other classes either can't or have problems with at the same level.
Tanks are a toe to toe fighter they are supposed to be strong as hell . they however would do poorly in a ranged fight . (i would think , i hear the ravager is ungodly range) . this is a team game and each class has its advantages and disadvantages to support a TEAM . Solo fighting is never a good argument as the calsses are developed to support teams .
Leave the fookin tanks alone.
Magic Sausage
05-05-04, 22:36
All it takes is skill in any class to own any other class...
Ezza, its been said a million times, APU's dont need reticles.
oh ya thats right
NERF TEH TANK NERF TEH TANK!!!!!!
get over it peope just cos theres something out there that can kill you
its not like its liek the old holy lightining that was over powered
Which point did I mention power armor? I was solo'ing stuff without power armor that all other classes either can't or have problems with at the same level.
Here: :P
If you think monk PA is better then a tanks then your sadly mistaken.
I guess it was a typo?
tanks were genetically modified for the war? am I right? therefore they should be powerful. THEY ARE A COMBAT BASED CHARACTER!!!! that is what they are made for, because of this they have no other skills, they cannot hack (Viably), they cant cast spells either, tanks are balanced the way they are meant to be. Stop with the screams for dmg nerfs on the cannons aswell pls? geez they are CANNONS (they have to be carried on your shoulder they are that heavy) THEY ARE GUNNA HURT :lol: ! (sry if this is a bit ott)
darknessfairy
06-05-04, 01:24
tanks were genetically modified for the war? am I right? therefore they should be powerful. THEY ARE A COMBAT BASED CHARACTER!!!! that is what they are made for, because of this they have no other skills, they cannot hack (Viably), they cant cast spells either, tanks are balanced the way they are meant to be. Stop with the screams for dmg nerfs on the cannons aswell pls? geez they are CANNONS (they have to be carried on your shoulder they are that heavy) THEY ARE GUNNA HURT :lol: ! (sry if this is a bit ott)
my tank can hack. she's not too gimped. and she's damn fast for a tank aswell.
and your tank caps a tl3 heal. so why are you moaning ?
I'm not moaning about tanks i'm just saying they are fine as they are, they dont need a nerf and they dont need a boost leave them alone
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