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CANNONS
Storm Laser
Judgement Day Launcher
SPELLS
Chaos Queen Flameavalanche
In all of these cases, the rares in question are lower versions of a more powerfull rare. THey also drop whole, which I think is fair. Adding these items to the rare pool would be a hinderence, each one not worth being called a teck, and probabally selling for a mere 40k.
Now, consider how much the teck parts to the Paw Of Tiger and Electric Tempest are worth in comparrison to other rares. Most rares tally up between 250k and 400k. How much would you pay tops for an Electric Tempest or Paw of Tiger part?
Now, I have argued this with people before, and they argue that the Paw of Tiger and Electric Tempest are usefull items, expecially to a pe. Well, I'm not disputing that. I agree that they are important for leveling and for private eyes, but they are annoying as hell to any rare parts trader, and In my opinion warrent dropping whole.
There, I think I have given enough points to back up my argument.
What say thee?
yeeeaaa make teh dumb rares dropable clean up the deamned pool, no need to have two rares that do exactly same thing just more power. Rare should be rare UNIQUE nc rares same as regular guns just lill more dmg :(
yeeeaaa make teh dumb rares dropable clean up the deamned pool, no need to have two rares that do exactly same thing just more power. Rare should be rare UNIQUE nc rares same as regular guns just lill more dmg :(
If there is one thing i like the best about neocron is that there are no super-duper
rares that only 3 of exist... This way everybody has the chance to get the
same implants / weapons and be equally viable in pvp.
I still say its different (the PoT anyway) in that it is a MANDATORY tool for lowtech (actually *all*) melee tanks and a MANDATORY tool for melee PEs. Check the TL progression (as it stands now) of melee and you will see what I mean. In that sense it is different than the other items, in that no one NEEDS those other items.
Its easy to find someone wanting/needing a PoT. Its impossible to find someone that needs the other items you mentioned. Flame Avalanche is the same TL as a Fire Beam and slottage is pot luck (and its also line of sight). JDL and Storm Laser are the same TL as the RGC, and do far less damage. You could say that a "lowtech heavy" runner would need the JDL, and I couldnt argue with that... but there basically is no such thing as a lowtech heavy user (practically speaking).
Even the soulblade fills a gap in the melee progression.
Frankly, I wouldnt mind seeing the PoT drop. I have a melee PE that needs one right now, I had a melee PE in the past that had one as his FINAL capped weapon, and my melee tank used one all the time as well until he could use VR. So making it drop would help a lot of people.
I just think you are thinking no one cares about it or needs it- cause that IS the case with the other spells you named. And I simply disagree that it should be considered in the same group as the Flame Avalanche, which is a novelty at best. People will laugh at you if you use a JDL, CQFA, or Storm laser. People expect to see players using a PoT.
I just think you are thinking no one cares about it.
NOOOOOO!!!!!
You couldn't be more wrong!!! I love the paw of tiger!
I remember making my first Tank: A Melee Tank. I was a shit leveler, and I went around with the Paw of Tiger for ages. I felt UBER!!! I have a sentemental bond to that weapon! I love it a lot.
Please don't asume I think it's worthless! You couldn't be further from the truth. I just think it's unfair that it drops as tecks, both to melee users and to Rares collecters. It's more comparable to the STORM or JDAY Launcher than any teck-part rare. I think that is how both weapons should be.
(not to mention that they are both have really low requirements, forcing melee users to begin collecting rares at a much earlier stage than other weapon specialists.)
NOOOOOO!!!!!
You couldn't be more wrong!!! I love the paw of tiger!
I remember making my first Tank: A Melee Tank. I was a shit leveler, and I went around with the Paw of Tiger for ages. I felt UBER!!! I have a sentemental bond to that weapon! I love it a lot.
Please don't asume I think it's worthless! You couldn't be further from the truth.My apologies. :)
But you say the CQFA isnt worth being a tech, and you want the PoT removed from the tech pool, which puts it in the same boat. :)
I agree the pool is polluted, but my first candidates would be the slotenhancers. Back in the day, with few rares, people actually NEEDED to have high slotted non rares. Now though, non-rares are only levelling tools.
Step 1 is remove the Slotenhancers. They used to be storebought, and that was back when they were actually useful themselves.
Step 1 is remove the Slotenhancers.
You are of course correct. I think we are fighting the same battle here, to clean up the rares pool. In fact earlier didn't you say you wouldn't mind if it was made to drop whole? I think the difference is that POT you are undecided about, and I think that it should be included.
It comes accross that you don't think it should be added because you think it is an important leveling tool. But consider that there is a Paw of Bear, and that the POT is just a leveling tool and not really a collecters item, like most rare weapons. I'll LMAO the day I consider the CS to be a leveling weapon. :p But thats all the Paw of tiger is to a Melee Tank, and the Melee Tank is all we are talking about here. Melee PE's are Gimped Classes like Rifle Tanks. The day PE's stopped being Jack of All Trades stopped when KK enforced specialisation, and infact there description is being updated in September. I still think people are free to make Melee PE's if they want, but what I am trying to say is we can only fairly look at this from a Melee Tanks perspective, otherwise we would have to consider Tanks when determining Rifle Balance, which is not currently the case.
So thats why I think the Paw of Tiger should be included in this clean up that we both seem to agree on.
:)
*edit*
To Back up my argument Further, the Tangent Plasma Cannon is also an important leveling tool, and is shop bought!
Tangent Plasma Cannon - Requires 84 Strength.
Paw of Tiger - Requires 68 Strength.
Heavy combat and pistol freezers are store bought while melee and rifle freezers are rares? O_o They should sell all freezers in stores.
I like the idea of the Paw of Tiger dropping complete from a mob boss similar to the Judgment Day Launcher.
The 0.9 and 1.5 slot enhancers should either drop whole or be store bought.
Heavy combat and pistol freezers are store bought while melee and rifle freezers are rares? O_o They should sell all freezers in stores.
I like the idea of the Paw of Tiger dropping complete from a mob boss similar to the Judgment Day Launcher.
The 0.9 and 1.5 slot enhancers should either drop whole or be store bought.
With regards to freezers, that's not the case at all.
There are in fact no Rare Heavy or Pistol Freezers. Only Rifle, PPU, and 2X Melee. (one should drop whole)
Pistol/Rifle/Cannon/Melee/PPU freezers are all store bought. (not including rares)
I'm glad you agree with me about cleaning up the teck pool. I think it is something which eventually needs to be done.
Heavy combat and pistol freezers are store bought while melee and rifle freezers are rares? O_o They should sell all freezers in stores.
All freezers should be removed. And replaced with drompoo
All freezers should be removed. And replaced with drompoo
Word.
Rare drones are another problem, who will collect 6 or even 7! parts for a drone when you can buy a bp of a researcher.
And I hate E-parts just because it most likely is a useless dronepart.
the PoT will receive a TL (up to TL87) increase soon, thereby making this a somewhat moot discussion.
i strongly suspect that KK likes the pool clogged up with junk though, as it adds somewhat to the difficulty of finding specific parts, and "compliments" the lowered droprate too.
over time the rarepool will only become more clogged, rather than less. each time a new rare is added, or TLs increased on existing rares (the TL reworks on MC weapons will add 3 or 4 parts to the pool alone) we get more junk - useless to some, useful to others.
basically, KK don't want you to get your rares too quickly or easily.
p.s. for another example, take the attempt to replace tech drops with a single drop/run in the case of the terminator. does anyone even remember how long ago it was that this was first promised. it seems they've given up on even giving us one single rare determined purely by a single drop, since they can't get drop-rates to work either.
yup with more crap in the pool it means we have to spend longer hunting for the techs we need
the PoT will receive a TL (up to TL87) increase soon, thereby making this a somewhat moot discussion.
i strongly suspect that KK likes the pool clogged up with junk though, as it adds somewhat to the difficulty of finding specific parts, and "compliments" the lowered droprate too.
over time the rarepool will only become more clogged, rather than less. each time a new rare is added, or TLs increased on existing rares (the TL reworks on MC weapons will add 3 or 4 parts to the pool alone) we get more junk - useless to some, useful to others.
basically, KK don't want you to get your rares too quickly or easily.
p.s. for another example, take the attempt to replace tech drops with a single drop/run in the case of the terminator. does anyone even remember how long ago it was that this was first promised. it seems they've given up on even giving us one single rare determined purely by a single drop, since they can't get drop-rates to work either.
yup with more crap in the pool it means we have to spend longer hunting for the techs we need
I disagree completely.
I think the rares pool should be vast and infinite.
I just think Leveling Rares & other stuff would drop whole. IE STORM & Electric Tempest & Low Slot Enhancers.
Plus we have 2 more rares coming soon: Dentist & Peacemaker.
That would keep it as big as it is now.
I disagree completely.
i'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. both ezza and i were merely stating the fact that the more rare parts in the pool (crap or otherwise), the longer it takes us to find what we need. the fact that the part you just found is most likely useless to you (or, in some cases, everyone else), is a similar limiting factor to the fact that not every tech-dropping mob you kill will drop a part. none of this is to say that we particualrly enjoy that fact.
like i said, i believe this is part of KKs plan to limit the speed with which we gain rares, so i doubt if it will ever change. and as i also stated, the other methods they have attempted for distributing rares have failed dismally.
i would also disagree (jeez, i sound like a real pooper now) that the TL87 PoT will be merely a levelling tool - it may well become a niche item for hybrid MC/HC tanks, who can say?
many rares really are levelling tools anyway. you say the CS isn't, but given that it's easily usable by a tank at STR base 85, with over 100 million XP still to gain, i'd certainly use the CS over a TPC at that point.
I am fine with the PoT being made whole drop or whatever.
I just wasnt fine with the implication that it should be made drop only because the CQFA, STORM laser, and JDL are drop only... cause the PoT is FAR more useful and necessary than all of those items. ;)
Yes the rare pool should be cleaned out. Just dont start with the useful stuff. Start with slotenhancers, shock weapons, ultima mods, etc. first.
Clownst0pper
22-04-04, 01:02
The should be a mob like a lion/tiger out in the waists, not identicle, but with claws and whiskers, and they move in packs, they could drop from boss mob in the pack. 120/120 :)
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