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i just upgraded from a geforce 2 Ti to a geforce FX 5200
but whenever i open a 3d program it does this
i have no idea why and i have the latest drivers, i've tryed reinstalling them already
Cruzbroker
11-04-04, 22:51
Does NC recognize the new card autom.?
no idea but it does this in ALL 3d apps
yeah i'll try reinstalling that
Dood that looks so sweet! I say go with it :rolleyes:
I might know nothing about this but... have you removed the drivers of your old card?
done, tryed and no its still not working :(
How about the old faithful method of reinstalling NC.
Does your motherboard support at least 4x AGP?
Another thing, my old KT7A mobo technically supported 4x AGP, but I never managed to get a modern videocard to work in it. I had to stick with my old GF2 until I could upgrade my whole computer. Not trying to scare ya, but sometimes things just don't work.
Kal said it does so with all programs, so unlikely it's just an NC problem Posessed...
Anyway, are you sure the cooling you've got is sufficient? Since AFAIK GeForce FXs have a tendency to overheat easily.
nah its doing it in everything 3d,
tryed windows troubleshooting too but nothing
you've gone into registry and deleted anything having to do with your old card? uninstalled ALL applications associated with your old graphics card. Like a software that came with your old card? made sure it's not showing up as an extra card in the video menu. . . . err it's been a while so that's all i can offer >_>
tryed windows troubleshooting too but nothing :lol:
what would i need to delete in the regestry?
basically you wanna go thru all the usual diag stuff
go to start/run type in dxdiag
on there you can test to see if dx is screwing up, which, if it occurs with all ur 3d programmes, mite be the cause, so u might wanna consider upgradin/reinstallin direct x.
if worst comes to worst, just reformat ur hard drive (back up ur porn first) then reinstall everything :lol:
carried out all tests, no probs there
carried out all tests, no probs there
K then loop Mc Hammer - Cant touch this for about an hour, worked for me....
Well danae is about to kill me so :D nm :D
ok, so its not direct x, u ran the ickle tests, uninstalled GeForce drivers...
ok, change to normal VGA drivers, then totally remove your NVidia drivers, reboot your computer.
When it refires up, it "should" install the windows nvidia drivers, see if they work, if yes, reinstall your nvidia drivers, if it doesnt install the windows drivers, do it manually, but do the vga/remove/reboot thing first.
pfft, pistol user, u deserve everything you get :P
this'll prolly make me sound like a newb but what are the VGA rivers/what is a VGA and where can i find them
Since I was ignored the first time, I'll ask again. Does your mobo support at least 4x AGP (8x is better). You might be well on your way to frying your new card if it doesn't.
oops sorry missed that post.
it was realeased in the geforce 2 era so i'll try it on a newer mobo i have access to
Or you can find and download the shareware version of SiSoft Sandra which tells you if your mobo supports AGP version 2.
BTW, doesnt GF5 require its own power supply? I'm assuming you have it plugged in because of the massive power drain?
oops sorry missed that post.
it was realeased in the geforce 2 era so i'll try it on a newer mobo i have access to
If you dunno offhand then look into your mobo's bios and see.
If your mobo has an agp slot chances are it supports up to a 4x.
Then again maybe not :)
Good plan. :)
If it works in the newer comp, you know it is time to upgrade. An easy way to check now is to go to display properties -> settings -> advanced. It should say on the window somewhere what your agp is running at.
My past 3 motherboards, first was socket 370, agpx2 (slow) 2nd was agpx4, but buggered up at startup, new one is agpx8, i'm only usin a gf4 though, i need more ram, rawr <3
ok swiching now, wont be able to reply for a bit
Did you check what it is running at on this comp? Saves you the trouble of swapping cards at least. Or not.
IIRC the Nvidia cards after TNT2 all use the Forceware unified drivers, so the drivers for the card should already be on the machine
maybe its GF3 onwards...
Glok should have right a geforce 2 Ti = AGP x2, and a geforce FX 5200 = x4,x8 so it pumping to much sorce into your poor comp :p
not entirely the same problem, but i recently threw a 5200 into one of my comps, having previously had a nvidia ti something or other, and my fps and general nc performance took such a nosedive i can't PvP on it anymore.
from what i heard, a geforce4mx 400 is better than some GF5's, and a Ti is better than a MX, so... i dunno
from what i heard, a geforce4mx 400 is better than some GF5's, and a Ti is better than a MX, so... i dunno
MX is the worst brand in each serie!!!!! Can never be better then GF´5 then noone would buy them :p
Its MX - Ti - Ultra
I'm pretty sure a GeF4 Ti should be faster than an FX 5200. Just like the GeF3 Ti is faster than GeF4 MX.
I'm pretty sure a GeF4 Ti should be faster than an FX 5200. Just like the GeF3 Ti is faster than GeF4 MX.
Ofcourse... its like to take a A car and a B car, the A car is older but then the B but the each of the car has 3 engines.
A = 100 hp , 125 hp and 175 hp
B = 150 hp , 190 hp and 210 hp
you see the older A with 175 is better then a B 150.
Same thing with a above avrage 4 serie and a MX 5 series :rolleyes:
nononono,
A GeForce 3Ti beats a GeForce 4MX
A GeForce 4MX440 is faster in games than a FX5200
Therefore a 3Ti beats a FX5200
(scource, micromart april 8th 2004)
Argh, where is Kal?
12 V killed him :rolleyes:
RIP mate
@Lexxuk :lol:
he's busy tryin to squeeze the agp card into a spare pci slot coz the other mobo dont got a agp slot :lol: :lol:
A question, can you see some sort of graphical errors inside windows sometimes? Like maybe a black/red/green/blue square(s) or some other small graphical error? If so, it's your graphic cards memory that is damaged. My friend had this problem, and your screens looks similar to what his monitor showed in Q3 :P
12 V killed him :rolleyes:
RIP mate
@Lexxuk :lol:
I do fear the worst :(
Did you try getting the latest drivers for the chipset on your motherboard?
VictorKruger
12-04-04, 05:55
It could be static electricity is in your vid card. if you try taking it out and putting it back in, that might solve the problem. I've seen similar things like this happen before, and was caused by static electricity.
LOL in case you guys didn't know. They went to try the vid card on another computer. So they wouldn't be able to talk to us again till they did that then put the vidcard back in to the current PC. They left and never came back ;)
I repeat. I fear the worst :angel:
ooooh purdy colours
I have the same problem, i installed my gf fx 5700 ulta and had the same kind of problems, but olny with nc, i did everything u all suggested above, even reinstalled Nc but to no avail, so i put my olg card back in and having no probs with the old one.
']['hor
ooooooooook,
im still alive :rolleyes:
it didnt work on the newer mobo either (the screen was completely blank when plugged into the card, it was picking up a signal but just staying blank.
i did notice however that the mobos don't support 8x and the card IS 8x
could it be that?
My card is 8x agp and my mobo doesn't support it either. Working fine so far.
I suggest you to check if your card is damaged somehow (memory as said previously)
how do i check if the card is broke?
If you have an old motherboard it may not be supplying enough power thru the AGP plot. Even if there is an external power connector on the card it will still be drawing some thru the AGP.
Try installing the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers, assuming you have a VIA chipset.
The board not supporting 8x AGP will not cause this problem, it will just step back to 4x. There isn't much difference in 4x and 8x anyway that I've noticed.
The card not wotking on the other machine is a bit worrying, but it was a different problem to what you are getting, so it doesn't prove that that the card is faulty. Could just be drivers again. I have also had the black screen thing happen if the card isn't insert correctly.
HTH
Cerebus
[edit] You could also make sure the bios is upto date, if you are feeling brave :)
ok i cant find an external power connector, theres just the tv out and the monitor plug, and i've installed the 4 in 1 thing.
i'll try a new bios
ok i cant find an external power connector, theres just the tv out and the monitor plug, and i've installed the 4 in 1 thing.
The power connector is a molex socket on the right hand end of the card, looking at it installed. It may not have one.
Cerebus
SacredGodfather
12-04-04, 13:07
personally i dont see why the Nvidia drivers would be causing the problem considering that all the drivers they put out are the exact same for almost all their cards. ive switched my nvidia cards 3 times already without reinstalling the drivers once and it works without a hitch
ok i'm gonna try a different solution.
can anyone tell me the procedures needed to swich a harddrive to a different computer (as it will still think its set up for the old one).
do i install the new motherboard drivers before or after etc.
Easy. Rip out the drive, stick it in the new PC, install the drivers.
Bear in mind that this is OK in emergencies but the drive will have 2 sets of motherboard driver on it. Windows always seems a bit flaky afterwards. The only way to get your system running smoothly again will be a reformat/re-install.
Cerebus
ok thanks, i've just remembered another problem i had.
on the newer mobo computer i couldn't get the onboard card drivers off.
i uninstalled them and rebooted then installed the nvidia ones but the old drivers just stated there.
also i think the blank screen thing might have been because i was using a bad monitor because after readjusting the card it showed the windows load up screen but stopped when windows booted up.
any idea how to get the old drivers off?
I'm going to assume you've never done anything like this before O_o
You cant really switch hard drives, the motherboards are totally different most likely, so drivers for mobo, pci>agp etc. will all be different, so the usual solution to that, is to reformat after changing mobo's.
The powersupply, is a lead inside your computer, on your PSU, if you have an older PSU, you might find 2 problems. One, there is no cable. Two, your PSU doesnt have enough power to power your videocard.
In a situation like this, I would reformat the hard drive, reinstall Windows to get rid of junk, then reinstall the drivers, then direct x etc.. Also check your PSU, see if its a 350 or above, a 300 probably wont cut it.
Use the uninstall option in Add/Remove Programs, then boot to safe mode
and do a manual search for any driver files that are left behind and delete them. Search for NV* for NVidia or ATI* for ATI (obviously :rolleyes: ).
Onboard vidio needs disabling in the BIOS.
BTW, what is the motherboard? Aparently some ASUS boards don't like FX5200s at all and randomly crash.
Cerebus
its a VIA ASrock or something
and i couldnt load windows after swiching the drive so im just gonna save my stuff and reformat.
and yeah, i've not done this before :p
ASRock are Sis ent they? I'm using ASRock K7S8X, supports 8X AGP too.
to be more precise its a ASRock K7VM2
Slots AGP 1, AGP 4X/2X universal
So it should default back to AGP 4X, it does however have onboard VGA, is that disabled in the BIOS? It uses the VIA KM266 too, which is what my old mobo used, and boy did I have problems with that, in the end, bought a new mobo, try http://www.mcscom.co.uk with http://www.mcscom.co.uk/product.php?xProd=197&xSec=20 being the mobo I bought. You might also want to still check that you have enough power for your VGA, check your manual to see if it requires external power.
its a VIA ASrock or something
and i couldnt load windows after swiching the drive so im just gonna save my stuff and reformat.
and yeah, i've not done this before :p
Wasnt funneh sorry...
Dont forget to install a firewall before you connect to the internet, you wont have the patches for the RPC bug, and blaster is still out there :D
yeah i have a router with built in firewall so that shouldnt be a prob, reinstalling windiws now
The board not supporting 8x AGP will not cause this problem, it will just step back to 4x. There isn't much difference in 4x and 8x anyway that I've noticed.The difference between AGP2.0 (4x) and AGP3.0 (8x) is not really the speed, it is the voltage. AGP2.0 is 3.3V while AGP3.0 is 1.5V.
From reading the rest of the thread, I think Kal's mobo is not correctly supporting the card, either in voltage or hardware config. My old KT7A supported AGP2.0 (like I said) but I never got any real AGP2.0 card to run on it, and I tried plenty. :(
ooooook i disabled onboard graphics, now the monitor wont work from that port.
but it also wont work from my graphics card.
i can't get ANY picture up, anyone know how i can get somewhere to either try and make the card work or to make the onboard graphics work again?
ooooook i disabled onboard graphics, now the monitor wont work from that port.
but it also wont work from my graphics card.
i can't get ANY picture up, anyone know how i can get somewhere to either try and make the card work or to make the onboard graphics work again?
You would normaly do that in the BIOS.
yeah but i dont get a picture, so i cant see what im doing or how to do it.
also does anyone know where i can get a file that installs dirextX 9.0b without doing that stupid thing wher you download it then the extractor downloads the stuff off the net cause i have a comp that isnt connected to the internet yet
Check the motherboard manual. There should be a jumper you can switch to reset the CMOS, the actual process varies though so find it in the manual. If you can't, then take the battery out and wait a few minutes, put it back in and reboot.
Check the motherboard manual. There should be a jumper you can switch to reset the CMOS, the actual process varies though so find it in the manual. If you can't, then take the battery out and wait a few minutes, put it back in and reboot.
ding ding, we have a winner.
thanks. now time to start over trying to get the damn thing to work
edit: what do i do to the jumper? is it like a watch and i have to poke it in with a pencil or something?
seriously, if you dont know what a jumper is, you shouldnt be taking your computer apart to install anything.
A jumper is a bit of metal, it connects two pins together to create a short, this tells the motherboard to do something, like change FSB speed, clear CMOS, setting the wrong one could in theory, fry your system.
Find a friend who knows what they are doing, and watch what they do!
Most consist of 3 pins, with a connector which slides over two of them. You'll definitely have them on the back of your hard disk, if you want an example. Whichever jumper it is, you just take the connector off and put it over the other two pins, and then do whatever it says in the manual.
gah i need a 2 pin jumper plug,
seeing as i've gotta head out to a computer store anyway, you reckon it'd be worth it to spend about 85 quid on a gigabyte GA-K8N pro board, which uses the nforce 3 chipset, surely a geforce card will work on an nforce board
Depends really, you ready for all the work a complete upgrade entails?
You'll need to make sure your CPU is compatible. You'll need to make sure your PSU is compatible, and your RAM. Then you'll need to strip your computer down, set all the jumpers on your new motherboard (probably setting FSB to 133), then installing all the cards etc.. Can take quite a while.
If yes, go for it, just, make sure you also get some CPU cooling gel, you'll need to relocate your CPU/Heatsink/Fan.
ok i did it with a paperclip,
now can anyone tell me what to change in bios to disable onboard graphics and sound.
as it was my meddling last time that messd it up
thanks for the help so far guys (and girls if there are any here :p) btw, i would be completely lost without this help
i'll think about it lexx, gonna try and make this one first some more yet tho. does anyone know where i can get a file that installs directX 9.0b that doesnt require an internet connection, so i can put it on a disk and install it on a not-yet-networked comp
http://www.asrock.com/Drivers/Manual/ASR_UM/K7VM2_UM.pdf
the manual for your mobo. :)
/edit - as for Direct X, a cover cd, like PC Format or something, probably the DVD edition should carry it. Though I read somewhere a long time ago that MS was forbidding mags putting their updates on CD, so you mite be outta luck, and just have to download it yourself, burn it to CD, and do it that way.
thats what i wanna do but the installer requires you to connect to the net and download the components before you can install
thats ok, you wont need direct x anyhow, install windows, it will install generic NVidia drivers for you, then you can set up your network to get you into your router, then you can download Direct X, your drivers and stuff from the internet.
ok i did it with a paperclip,
Ingenious! lol ;)
You gotta love trying to troubleshoot your pc when you don't know some of the Ins and Outs of it :D
Ingenious! lol ;)
You gotta love trying to troubleshoot your pc when you don't know some of the Ins and Outs of it :D
I shorted pins on a hard drive with fuse wire once, since then, I've always made sure a spare jumper is taped to the inside of my case siding :angel:
argh, i booted with the onboard VGA, loaded the nvidia drivers up, rebooted, swiched primary graphics to add-on AGP, let it load.
now both plugs wont work again and im back to where i was an hour ago.
i have NO idea whats causing the card to not run.
the power supply im using atm is 230 v (thats the highest mains'll go isnt it?), is that enough?
back to the paperclip methinks
230V is the input, you want output, which is in WATTS, look on the side of your PSU, should give it a power rating, will probably be 300.
You installed NVidia drivers on a onboard Savage videocard... :confused:
how do i get the drivers to go on the nvidia card 8|
i cant boot up using that card, so i cant install them then, i just thought there is 1 set of drivers for each component, and only the piece of hardware intended for them will run off em
You need to install the videocard, then start puter, then install drivers. If you cant get your videocard to work when you turn your computer on, installing drivers wont make a difference to you.
It should boot on the GeF, using a generic Windows driver. If it's not booting at all then it sounds like you've broken the card.
it boots fine but theres nothing on the monitor, when i unplug the monitor from the geforce and plug it into the onboard card it works fine.
when i install the driver and set default graphics to add-on AGP then it boots but neither plug will give a picture on the monitor
I had a similar problem. I'd turn on my puter, and get no display, though I'd get no abnormal POST beeps, so I knew Vid Card was working fine. I changed my motherboard (was a brand new one that screwed up, but I couldnt be bothered to go thru the hassle of taking it back to the n00bs I bought it from) and it now works fine.
omg, THERES BEEN A BREAKTHROUGH!!!
i just booted it up with the monitor plugged into the geforce again, and it worked, got DX9.0a installed (had it on a disk) and the latest nvidia drivers and its pretty much fixed now :D
just gotta get it networked up and reinstall all my stuff and im set now.
thanks for the help everyone, i think the moral of this story is if you try something enough times its gotta work in the end :rolleyes:
thanks for the help everyone, i think the moral of this story is if you try something enough times its gotta work in the end :rolleyes:Hehe, that's quite true, but you will find you always do things a little differently each time, especially if you aren't a hardcore computer nut who does things in a very exact manner. Glad it works now. :)
Let us know what happens in your 3D games (I'm sure you will.. ;))
i forgot to backup my patch folder so im still patching atm lol
wootage working perfectly, not much of an increase in performance cause i only went from:
athlon 1.1 geforce 2 Ti 512 sdram
to
duron 1600 geforce fx 5200 256 ddr ram
but the main thing is this comp
1. will support dx9
2. expandability, this is a new one with minimal upgradedness, the old one was a piece of junk upgraded as much as it coulod take
3. the old one crashed all the time, this one is a billion times more stable
Guess i got to you to slow (http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=452106891&m=227109543)
Edit/ Infact....just dont be playing farcry :lol: I woulda took it back while it wasnt working, at least you had an excuse and wasnt guilty either and got at least a 5600 or even a gf4TIxxxx.
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